Soft Underbelly Exposed
The newly appointed and self ordained Joshua
the High Priest which was, and is and meant to be, David C Packstrong is very
mislead in his strange and weird ideas about the intended meaning of Zechariah
11 and in particular verse 8.
Let's just remind ourselves one more time why
this is important to point this out and that we have complete permission from
DCP to do so.
"...now, if I became deceived, I will never
tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you if I go off into
strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to
tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to
follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean
me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do
you understand what I'm saying?"
I can't speak for the members of the Restored
Church of God to whom this was spoken, but , yes I do understand Dave and I'm
going to keep it up until you do. We are in the last three weeks, according to
David Pack before the Grand Unification, which seems to me more a Grand
Uni-fiction, of all the splinters left over from the WCG implosion over the last
two decades. Within Dave's strange and weird ideas about himself as being the
fulfillment of what the minor prophet Haggai was getting at concerning the mere
type of Joshua the High Priest in the actual book of Haggai. What Haggai really
meant was David C Pack and the Restored Church of God. Crazy I know, but it's
written in Bible Code according to Dave and he has the keys to unlock the code.
Actually he says the code is easy to unlock if you let the Bible interpret the
Bible but then if it is an easy code why bother with a code at all. Double talk
if you ask me.
Please bare with me on this. I have chosen the
core of what Dave seems to believe about the meaning of Zecharia 11 and not
included all the ramblings and cockeyed reasonings that lead up to this. Let's
just say that Dave has a tendency to concoct a mistaken meaning which we will
call concocted meaning and mistaken interpretation number one and from that flow
ever more misleading and misguided mistakes which add up to truth in Dave's
view. If you can't see it, I can't help you. The idea that Dave is seeing the
literal demise of three COG ministers in one day to satisfy his misconceptions
of both himself and what Scripture actually means or at least does not mean is
simply outrageous to me . If Dave would go by his own judgmental criteria, he'd
be one if not all three of these "men" he thinks Haggai speaks about.
I am personally hoping I can get through this
brief article as this week, according to David C Packstrong aka Joshua
the Real High Priest of Haggai, was a real milestone in his imaginary prophetic
musings.
"Jesus Christ is a shepherd.
He is about to again actively shepherd His flock—starting Elul 1
(August 6/7). What should He be expected to do to wolves now in His
path? What would any good shepherd do when he sees wolves close by—in
this case among and over—his flock? Remove
them!"
While I am not a Shepherd, I am sure if my heart quit in the midst of this
article, you'd have your proof that Dave is indeed the chosen one of Haggai.
According to Dave, Jesus Christ has been inactive in the Church up to yesterday
the 6th but that has now changed. In my personal experience, when past Apostles
and Evangelists said, "Christ is moving mightily in the Church, it was a quiet
kind of mighty that was not very noticeable but "if you say so" comes to mind.
So take a quick look once again...
From Two Culminating Events:Screed
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"Zechariah 11:8: “Three
shepherds also I cut off in one month; and My soul
loathed them, and their soul also abhorred Me.”
Now the
second culminating event. We saw the
“shepherds” throughout Zechariah cannot be religious leaders overseeing
congregations (flocks)
in the world. Otherwise, which three ministers
would it be referencing? We could never know. And what would the removal of ANY
three worldly ministers, occurring in ANY particular month, ever have to do with
God being able to feed a flock that was being slaughtered? Remember, we saw this
flock is
His flock. No matter how influential
any three
worldly ministers might be, their removal from power would not affect GOD’S
PEOPLE. Protestant ministers and Catholic priests are not deceiving
(slaughtering) God’s people. Do you know a single person who thinks they
are?
(Comment: Dave can't imagine the Three Shepherds can be other
than three humans. Theology begs to differ with him as the Bible and real
history unfolded to show it can mean categories of rulership as well. Right
from the start here, Dave has gone off the rails and all that follows in his
reasonings is just an ongoing train wreck of one wrong idea reinforcing the next
wrong idea.)
But the time has come for God to deal with
these three men. They have gone from being in God’s
purpose to being IN HIS WAY. For over two decades, modern enemies have
thwarted God’s Work. Top leaders have bought and sold God’s people to enrich
themselves. These wolves have kidnapped the brethren, stolen God’s tithes and
blocked HIS Work from advancing to the size and scope that it should have and
still must reach.
Jesus Christ is a shepherd. He is about to again
actively shepherd
His flock—starting Elul 1 (August 6/7). What should He be
expected to
do to wolves now in His path? What would
any good shepherd do when he
sees wolves close by—in this case
among and
over—his flock?
Remove them!
II Peter 2 describes “swift
destruction” falling on certain false teachers. At a point, their “judgment” no
longer “lingers” and their “damnation” no longer “slumbers.” We have almost
reached this time.
Some will ask: WHEN exactly will Christ remove the three men? Starting with
the fact that Christ is a shepherd, we might ask: How long would any
active shepherd tolerate wolves who are threatening His flock when He
holds the power to address them? It will certainly not be on the last day of His
purpose, but rather some time likely well before that date. The following should
help. The remnant is not listening. Christ knows this—and
why. He can
change it. How long would He wait to do this?
Each
day lost with the remnant not hearing Him is a day less for them to recover.
There are only 24 days total for the people to act. The same is true
with Christ organizing their move and a complex merger. There are only 24
days total for the people to act. Yet again, the same is true with
ministers who may be battling other wolves in their organizations as they strive
to save sheep—and to establish themselves again as faithful ministers
before God. There are only 24 days total for these ministers to act. We
will see how long Christ waits…
Dramatic supernatural intervention is
necessary for God to regather
His flock—a flock trapped under a constant barrage of lies and deceit.
Zechariah 11 should not be surprising. All of this is
something GOD does—and ONLY God
could do—not any man. No human being
could ever carry out such things. God would never ask them to—or permit them to.
Of course, His enemies happily assert otherwise about us. It is in their
devil-inspired interest to spew their insane, hateful accusations. But at least
these “haters of the Lord” (
Psa. 81:15) always come as
advertised—they are easy to identify for people thinking even a little. God will
soon enough
also “reward them according to their works” (
II Tim. 4:14).
Getting the Remnant’s Attention
By dealing with and removing top leaders, God gets His people’s attention.
The remnant finally starts listening to Him again. Recall Haggai. There is a
point when brethren become frightened—now better understood to be
because
of what God did. They suddenly begin “considering their ways” after years
of ignoring God. Any parent knows that to get his child to listen sometimes he
must bring punishment. God is no different. He must
traumatize His
people to wake them up to their condition—but also remove the sources of deceit
that are blocking their ability to see events and conditions as they are, and to
see their own spiritual complacency. Although the event of
Zechariah 11:8 is big, it is not the only thing that
brings God’s people back together. Something else BIGGER happens—the powerful
stirring of God’s Spirit for over three weeks as God works with His people."
Dave Pack is the only human being in the history
of Old Testament theology and studies to come to these dramatic yet misguided
conclusions about what it all means. Of course, in the ever continuing saga of
the WCG and Herbert W Armstrong, those captured by it's many errors and
personality cult like aspects, like Dave, have kept it going reenacting, in
their own minds, all the early first century church dramas. Dave, like many,
read their Bibles as it the contents were written to them personally yesterday
and not to others thousands of years ago. It's why "Jesus is coming soon" and
"Time is short" can be read today to people with no grasping that these words
were for others 2000 years ago and they were wrong. The idea that "and that's
exactly why those scriptures are for us today," is equally as insane and wrong
and an apologetic that won't die soon enough. Probably never.
So for your consideration and balance, who are the
Three Shepherds that must die in "one day" according to men who don't see
themselves spoken of in the scriptures by the minor prophet Haggai? You owe it
to yourself at least to see what the view of it has been over the past 2500
years. If you then end up thinking it really is Dave Pack being spoken of and
that these Three Shepherds are really three deceiving, lying and money hungry
Church of God notables as Dave counts notability, then knock yourself out. I
personally believe you are in for a big fall on your face along with Mr.
Packstrong.
Three shepherds also I cut off in one month
Not
Moses, Aaron, and Miriam, as is suggested in the Talmud F5;
nor David, Adonijah, and Joab, who died in the space of a month; nor the three
kings, Jehoash, Jehoiakim, and Zedekiah, who died by the hand of their enemies
in a very little time; which is the sense of some, as Abendana observes; nor the
three last prophets, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi, according to Aben Ezra; nor
the three Maccabees, Judas, Jonathan, and Simon, as Abarbinel; rather
the three sects among the Jews, the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes,
instead of which last some put the Herodians; and others the Scribes;
though some are of opinion that the three sanhedrim or courts of
judicature among the Jews are designed; but it seems best of all to interpret
them of the three orders of magistrates among them, princes, prophets, and
priests; and the "cutting" them "off" may denote the cessation of civil
government, the sealing up of vision and prophecy, and the putting an
end to sacrifice; which is much better than to interpret them of the three Roman
emperors who succeeded Nero; that is, Galba, Otho, and Vitellius, who were put
to death by their own subjects, within the space of a year and some days
F6;
and which is a term of time that can not well be thought to be expressed by a
month; which either signifies in general a small space of time; or, if a certain
month is meant, either it designs the month Nisan, in which Christ suffered,
when of right sacrifice should have ceased, as well as then prophecy was sealed
up, and there was no more of it among the Jews, nor any civil government in
their hands: or else the month Ab, in which the city of Jerusalem was burnt; and
so an end was put in fact to all the above offices there. It may be
that a month of years is intended, as in ( Revelation 11:2 )
( 13:5 ) and so
Abarbinel here interprets it; though he applies it to the times of the
Maccabees; but it may respect the thirty years, or thereabout, which were
between the death of Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem, within which
compass of time the above events were actually and manifestly fulfilled:
and my soul loathed them;
because they did not perform
the duties of their office; the civil magistrate did not govern according to the
laws of God; the prophets did not teach sound doctrine; and the priests did not
do their service aright, nor teach the people the use and end of sacrifices, and
in them direct to the Messiah, as they should have done: wherefore
Christ expressed his dislike of them by words in his ministry, particularly in
Matthew chapter twenty three, ( Matthew
23:1-39 ) and by deeds, causing vengeance to come upon them to the entire
removal of them: or, "my soul was shortened", or "contracted in them", or
"towards them" F7;
his affections were lessened towards them; he loathed their ways and works,
which were not good; and he rejected and cast them off as his people, and wrote
a "loammi" on them; took away his Gospel from them, and abolished their civil
and church state: and their soul also abhorred me; which is the
reason of the former; and so the Targum paraphrases it,
``and my Word cast them away, because their soul abhorred my
worship;''
all ranks and orders of men among the Jews had Christ in
abhorrence; they abhorred his person, his name, his miracles, his doctrines, his
ordinances, and his people; this they did because of his mean appearance; and
because of his inveighing against their traditions, superstitions, and
immoralities; and this appeared by their contemptuous rejection of him as the
Messiah; by their crucifixion of him; and by persecuting his disciples and
followers.
And here: http://www.studylight.org/com/bcc/view.cgi?book=zec&chapter=011
Zechariah Verse
8
"And I cut off the three shepherds in
one month; for my soul was weary of them, and their soul also loathed
me."
"The three shepherds
..." We identify these with the three classes of
evil shepherds which dominated the life of Israel during the ministry of Christ,
the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Herodians. Lewis believed that, "No clue to the
identity of these persons is available"; but Zechariah
11:5 seems definitely to be such a clue. See under that verse, above.
It seems clear enough, as Keil affirmed, that, "The persons occurring in this
vision are not individuals, but classes of men." Despite the fact of commentators having
identified the "three shepherds .... in at least forty different ways," we strongly feel that none of the
identifications we have seen fills the bill so exactly as that we have
accepted.
"In one month ..."
Such an expression in any prophecy usually stands for "a little time"; and as
Henry stated, after mentioning the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Herodians as a
possible identification, "All of them Christ silenced in dispute (Matthew
22) and soon after cut off, in a little time." Mitchell's assertion that Zechariah
representing Jehovah in this verse could not possibly have been the one seen,
"destroying three other shepherds for the same offence he was instructed to
commit," is merely a case of failure to distinguish
between the false shepherds (those destroyed) and the Good Shepherd who "cut
them off." Some theologians do not believe that God will ever "cut off" any one,
no matter what they do. Evidently the ancient enemies of Jesus spoken of in this
verse were of the same opinion. However, the tragic destruction of Jerusalem by
the Romans in A.D. 70 nevertheless occurred.
Verse 9
"Then said I, I will not feed you: that which dieth, let
it die; and that which is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let them that
are left eat every one the flesh of another."
Here is detailed the attitude that Mitchell and other critics
consider to be impossible in God; but when all else fails, God throughout human
history has destroyed the incorrigibly wicked. The first great example of it was
the deluge that swept over the ancient world. The whole theology of judicial
hardening is little understood, but it is a fact, none the less. As Gill
said:
"Here the prophet states his intention not to feed the
flock but to let it die. This brings to mind two key passages. One in which
Jesus wept over the city of Jerusalem because of her historic failure to heed
the prophets (Luke
13:33-35), and the other one in which he predicted the destruction of
the city (Luke
21:5,6)."
Horrible as this prophecy for Israel appears, it was literally
fulfilled. "Even the cannibalism described here was fulfilled literally during
the final days of the siege of Titus." Sword, pestilence, and famine, the three great
destroyers in all wars, appear here under the metaphor appropriate to a shepherd
and the sheep."
The point is that there have been many many interpretations of Haggai since the day it was written. The Three Shepherds have been a multitude of three priests, offices and politicians. Everyone wanted to make it mean something in THEIR day over the last 2500 years. Dave Pack is just one more and probably the worst, example of over reaching and delussional thinking on the topic. 99.9999999999% of humanity had never heard of HWA and it is worse for DCP as if being heard of proves anything either.
So perhaps this can be a more balanced view of what
Zecharia 11:8 can also mean or has meant. I don't personally have a need to
pick any meaning as in my studies and current views Prophets who write and
people who believe are on a different journey than I am in such matters.
Prophets in the Old Testament were not nearly as
accurate as credited. They are often romanticized and some exhibit ALL the
characteristics of mental illnesses we know of in our times. A schizophrenic,
narcissist or one with temporal lobe epilepsy , back in the day, could easily
been misunderstood as having special powers and visions that today we would
treat with medications and hope for a recovery. We take prophets of old much
more seriously than we would ever take one today. We reject modern day prophets
and the religiously whacked out very quickly today because we actually get to
see how they behave, think and teach. If I laid siege to a frying pan, laid on
my side for a year and flipped over for more, drilled a hole in the temple and
went in with my backpack on, cooked my food either with or in my own dung
depending on how you read it and married a prostitute, I doubt I'd get much
sympathy from you. Ezekiel or others do it in the distant past and wow...they
are awesome and speak for God Almighty.
David C Pack, the self appointed, ordained and set
apart Apostle who is Herbert Armstrong Part II of Team Zerubbabel/Joshua is as
wrong as any human can be about himself and this view of what the Bible actually
intended. Dave, as was Herbert Armstrong or at least those around him, is a
master at making ancient scripture written for one reason mean what it never
meant. Dave is not an educated theologian (neither am I). Dave is not well
trained in the disciplines needed to tell others what the Bible even says and
why much less means. Dave has turned the Book of Haggai into a giant YES lesson
and come to very very wrong conclusions.
Dave Pack is NOT any Joshua of Haggai. Never was and never will be. That is truly a ego centric and totally bogus claim on his part. It is rather sad actually to view scripture in such a flippant manner and it is pathetic theology. I will continue to offer both caution and an
opposing view as long as this foolishness goes on.
Dave does not seek a
multitude of counsel on such matters that he does not already know ahead of time
he will get approval of. Those 16 who could not agree more with Dave in
everything he comes up with should be ashamed of themselves and don't tell me
you all actually do agree with what you see and hear. I know your job is at
stake. I also know that when you live in a very small world, cloistered behind walls of dogmatic foolishness and under the sway of one human being, you can lose touch with reality. The story makes sense in the mind until it doesn't. We all know now what process you probably had to go through to even get
the job and it is pretty pathetic. Dave has put you all in a very time
sensitive and very bad position so I suppose we shall see soon now. If you dare
come up with, "God is obviously giving us more time to reach the world," or "God
in his mercy is giving COG members and ministers more time to repent and come to
RCG, " We will be back.....
The Chief Pharisee and apostle responds: