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Tuesday, January 6, 2026

LCG: When Jesus Returns, LCG Members Will Help Spread The Law Around The World

 


Given the horrible track record of how the church used the "law" to make members' lives miserable, isn't it comforting to know that these same people who have suffered at times will be spreading that version of the law around the world, subjugating millions more? Oh, the joy.

The Way to Peace: In our world today, especially at the end of December, we hear a lot about “Peace on earth and goodwill toward men,” yet the news is full of reports of violence and suffering. The desire for peace is universal, but that hope has remained elusive for most human beings. While world leaders talk of peace and religious leaders pray for peace—and the United Nations sends “peacekeepers” to trouble spots around the globe—the world simply does not know the way to peace (Isaiah 59:8). However, God’s word reveals that the way to peace is to learn to love and live by the laws of God (Psalm 119:165; Isaiah 32:17). The world will learn the way to peace when Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, returns to this earth and the laws of God are spread from Jerusalem by teachers who are in training now (Isaiah 9:6–7; 2:2–4; 30:20–21). Let’s prepare for that day!
Have a profitable Sabbath,
Douglas S. Winnail 
 
When Jesus returns, the kingdom will be fully realized under the New Covenant. Promises like universal knowledge of God ("no longer shall each one teach his neighbor... for they shall all know me," Jeremiah 31:34) point to consummation at Christ's return and that the church, believers from all nations, inherits the blessings as the fulfilled people of God (Galatians 3:28–29; Ephesians 2:11–22).

There will be no restoration of the Old Covenant or its sacrificial system, as it was temporary and shadowed Christ's work. The future kingdom is governed by grace, internal transformation, and direct access to God through Christ alone. Jesus' return brings the full realization of the New Covenant, not a return to the Old. The Old Covenant's purpose was fulfilled in Christ and set aside.

No one has ever kept the Old Covenant in its completeness, including every single COG group today, nor has any COG member ever fully kept the Old Covenant. It was deliberately set up to be impossible to keep.

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And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jeremiah 31:34

Under the New Covenant, we no longer need a mediator like a pastor general, chief overseer, apostles or even prophets. We will have direct personal access to God - Joel 2:28-29. There will be total amnesty for sins not just covered (as in our annual Day of Atonement) but forgotten. The slate is wiped clean and no longer remembered. That enables the relationship with God. There will also be absolutely no need for COG leaders, evangelists, super deacons, or great Bwanas. "From the least to the greatest" implies equality, fulfilled in a messianic age where barriers dissolve.

The Old Covenant exposed sin but couldn't empower obedience or provide permanent atonement. The New Covenant provides regeneration (new heart), indwelling Spirit, and total forgiveness—enabling what the Law demanded but couldn't produce (Romans 8:3–4).

There will be no reverting to temple sacrifices, Levitical priesthood, or Mosaic regulations because that would be regression, not progress (see also Hebrews 10:1–18; Galatians 4:9–10). This directly counters any theology that expects a restored Levitical system in the future as some in COGland believe.

Even the Sabbath and holy days (as we claim to know them) will no longer be in effect. People will have their "Sabbath rest" living in the presence of Jesus. The holy days, as we claim all point to Christ, will no longer be necessary since that "point" is dwelling among us, and then would serve no function.

We will have the confidence of access. We will approach God directly through Christ, without human mediators or rituals (Hebrews 4:16; 10:19–22).

We will have the assurance of forgiveness: Sins are not just covered but removed—"remembered no more."

We will have empowered obedience: The Spirit writes God's law on our hearts, producing genuine transformation, not external conformity.

Hebrews 8 warns about returning to legalism or ritualism that denies the sufficiency of Christ's work.

In essence, Christ’s return brings the complete realization of the New Covenant in grace, making any form of Old Covenant legalism, ritualism, or hierarchical church leadership unnecessary and contrary to Scripture, thus will not require any COG-trained member wandering around the world preaching Armstrongism.


19 comments:

  1. Let's hope that the kings and priests who are currently "in training" learn more about loving God and each other before they take on the task of training other folks!

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  2. Armstrongism: 3 tithes, 7 feasts.
    New Covenant: no tithes, 3 feasts.

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    1. Correct 12:32 , check this out:

      Philippians 4:15-18 As you know, you Philippians were the only ones who gave me financial help when I first brought you the Good News and then traveled on from Macedonia. No other church did this. Even when I was in Thessalonica you sent help more than once. I don’t say this because I want a gift from you. Rather, I want you to receive a reward for your kindness.

      At the moment I have all I need—and more! I am generously supplied with the gifts you sent me with Epaphroditus. They are a sweet-smelling sacrifice that is acceptable and pleasing to God. (NLT)

      See the difference in attitude that Paul had. He even said no other church gave, it's probably because of how much they were being persecuted. You give because you want to give!

      Tank

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  3. Jesus, John the Baptist, Elijah, Daniel, Paul and many others had the courage to address world leaders or even it's nation's leaders about peace. They don't do that, they don't address or call out their own western leaders about how they take away peace from poor people. Groups of people can have a brief peace now, if they follow the rules of justice with fairness. The United Nations somehow can't do anything to a particular nation that keeps violating international law. And that nation has been doing that for a long time. But LCG won't write about that. But Winnail is correct, another force or power would need to come in order to bring world peace. But I do wonder will Winnail teach that law about his current marriage situation in the world tomorrow, or is that law done away with?

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  4. It's great that LCG is talking about peace... hope they discover more peace than they ever imagined.

    Therefore, I'll repeat a story I like to tell.
    I asked an LCG associate how can you have peace with God? And, I offered two options:
    1. Keeping the Sabbath
    2. Justification
    If any Armstrongites really care about the subject of peace, particularly peace with God, they can do do a Bible search to find the correct answer.

    I hope people would enjoy researching peace, and the Prince of Peace, so much farther than Winnails limited words that they would praise Jesus for being their source of peace and not only seek his kingdom, but also his righteousness (and free gift of righteousness).

    The relevant holy scriptures are there; please find them!

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    1. Why would anyone who'd been baptised in the name of Jesus Christ and had hands laid upon their head NOT be at peace with God?

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    2. Anony, Thursday, January 8, 2026 at 11:12:36 PM PST, asked the following question:

      Why would anyone who'd been baptised in the name of Jesus Christ and had hands laid upon their head NOT be at peace with God?
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      The individual baptized may believe/think he/she received God's Spirit after the laying on of hands was performed and is at peace with God; however, the question is: did God give the individual His Spirit (Romans 8:7-9)?

      Time will tell...

      John

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  5. Trooisto, Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 7:57:49 PM PST, wrote:

    It's great that LCG is talking about peace... hope they discover more peace than they ever imagined.

    Therefore, I'll repeat a story I like to tell.
    I asked an LCG associate how can you have peace with God? And, I offered two options:
    1. Keeping the Sabbath
    2. Justification
    If any Armstrongites really care about the subject of peace, particularly peace with God, they can do do a Bible search to find the correct answer.

    I hope people would enjoy researching peace, and the Prince of Peace, so much farther than Winnails limited words that they would praise Jesus for being their source of peace and not only seek his kingdom, but also his righteousness (and free gift of righteousness).

    The relevant holy scriptures are there; please find them!
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    Interesting thoughts, Trooisto, and may I suggest a 3rd option:

    3. Receipt of a gift of fruit of God's Spirit (Zech 4:6)

    How so? Peace is a fruit of God's Spirit:

    Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,"

    Imagine that. It is so simple, but one can't just steal, like some thief or robber, that fruit of peace.

    God's fruit of peace is not as accessible to us as the fruit of the knowledge of the Tree of good and evil, or as the fruit of the Tree of Life, were to Adam and Eve. Weston/Winnail cannot explain this to their followers, because they are still striving to entice (just like Meredith did) their followers to qualify, and earn, and get their way into God's kingdom, but Jesus said that is like being a thief/robber (John 10:1, 8, 10, 12-13) trying to get in by their own means.

    And righteousness? Might that be another of God's fruits?

    "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." Romans 14:17

    Peace and joy are fruits of God's Spirit. And so is righteousness. God must provide it by His Spirit.

    Need more proof?

    "Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart." 2 Timothy 2:22

    Faith, charity, peace are all fruits of God's Spirit, and so is righteousness, but again one must be the workmanship of God's hands. It's not our choice. It's: "God's Will be done."

    One more verse:

    "And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace." James 3:18

    How does one have all of these fruits? Many of the hirelings (2 Cor 11:13-15) of the former WCG won't tell you, because they are so much into Fear Religion, and are driven by another spirit (James 4:5; Matthew 23:35-36, 33; Eph 2:2, 6:12).

    How have peace?

    I Cor 8:6 “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

    Doug Winnail stated: "...The world will learn the way to peace when Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, returns to this earth and the laws of God are spread from Jerusalem by teachers who are in training now (Isaiah 9:6–7; 2:2–4; 30:20–21). Let’s prepare for that day!..."

    But Doug Winnail, has another Jesus in mind, another gospel, and is driven by another spirit, b/c Doug expects his Jesus to return to earth very soon and reign with those prepared/trained by Doug, Weston, and their manmade group that they themselves set up via Meredith.

    Yes, Jesus Christ will return to earth and reign with His followers after Satan exits the pit and Satan and his angels, who again deceive this world and mess it up again, but then are put to death. To not believe that, is to believe in some Mickey Mouse Millennium (MMM), and Doug still believes in that "very soon" approach, which has been taught for decades, and the hirelings still cannot figure out why their Jesus still hasn't returned to them. HWA has been dead about 40 years. Will we have to wait another 40 years, and then some?

    Time will tell...

    John

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    1. Would you say all this to the apostles who also thought Jesus would return in their lifetime?

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    2. Anon, Friday, January 9, 2026 at 6:27:25 AM PST, asked:

      Would you say all this to the apostles who also thought Jesus would return in their lifetime?
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      Of course, not!

      The original apostles were aware of a future resurrection, but they were not aware of any resurrection to occur at the start of some made up theory of a Mickey Mouse Millennium (like Doug Winnail of the Living (dead?) group) of a Jesus to "very soon" return to reign on earth in God's Kingdom. God's Kingdom, when established on earth, is forever...not something to be so impotent and fails after Satan exits the pit.

      And yes, Jesus, returned to earth for a second coming, a second time, but hung around only for 40 days. Why? Jesus' God, Jesus' Father, was inspiring His Son to pass on more revelations regarding God's Kingdom to His apostles, but they still only were aware of one future resurrection: not two, or three resurrections (3? Another manmade satanic theory, counterfeit, junk food!).

      Additionally, God revealed a lot more information to the apostle Paul, than had been revealed to the apostles while Jesus walked this earth as a 100% human being of flesh (1 Peter 4:1; Heb 2:16-17; 1 John 4:3; 2 John 1:7), blood and bone...information beyond what was shared with the apostles during that 40 period after Jesus' second coming to earth.

      Really?

      Time will tell...

      John

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  6. When the mandatory and "or else" laws of the gods are spread across a culture, it never ends well.

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  7. I never saw God’s law as a standard in LCG, it was always “respect mah authoritah” and as long as you appealed to the ego of the minister nothing else you did mattered. Try to pay off parents to have sex with their underage kids? No worries as long as you are obedient to the whims of the minister. Not show enough enthusiasm in response to a sermon that has been phoned in countless times before? Well, good luck to you if you aren’t on the good side of the minister.

    I laugh at this phony, self important nonsense from Weston and crew. They think they are God’s law, while living like they don’t believe in it.

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    1. Pay off who to do WHAT? In the words of Da Ladies Man... why thats disgustin'!

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    2. That's disgustin' enough to be resgustin' (disgustin' over and over again!)

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  8. Anonymous of January 8, 2026 at 11:12:36 PM said, “Why would anyone who'd been baptised in the name of Jesus Christ and had hands laid upon their head NOT be at peace with God?”

    Good question!

    I believe that everyone who has faith in Jesus as their Savior DOES have peace with God, regardless of whether they are baptized, or not.

    The verse I was too obtusely referencing is:
    Romans 5:1
    Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    I was juxtaposing the biblical concept of justification against the Sabbath (or more broadly, the Law) – with my belief that Armstrongites are taught to rely on their own works, their own righteousness, instead of the works of Jesus and his righteousness.

    Despite vast efforts to interest Armstrongites in the biblical concept of justification, I’ve found that if their church is not teaching it, they don’t care about it – they even resist it, even as I point out that there are several Holy Scriptures that discuss justification.

    Back to your question … you made me think about this deeper. Yes, I think that you are correct in inferring that those who are in Jesus are at peace with God …. but even as that is true, I think that it may be possible for those same people (Armstrongites) not to know much about, or accept, that peace with God offered by Jesus. That would look like people who are trying to qualify for, or earn their standing with God, instead of resting on the finished work of Jesus depicted in Romans 5:1 … or people who demonstrate no interest in the biblical concept of justification.

    How about you; are you willing to become an expert on the biblical concept of justification?

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    1. Trooisto, Friday, January 9, 2026 at 7:28:20 PM PST, wrote the following and I'll comment within [[double brackets]].
      John: great verses! Those Holy Scriptures add more dept to the discussion on peace.

      However, I decline to offer a third choice (as wonderful as that valid third choice is), as you suggested, because I as I was trying to challenge Armstrongites on their reliance on their own actions, like trying to keep the Sabbath, versus what Jesus does for us.
      [[If you like to challenge, and debate, then go for it!]]

      I wanted to keep my question simple; a choice between the Law – and – Jesus.
      [[Why did that have to be a question. What if there is no choice? IOW, what if it is Law - and - Jesus?]]

      My reluctance to add peace via the Holy Spirit as a possible answer choice is due to fear that many Armstrongites may believe that only those who keep the Sabbath can have the benefit of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, peace as a fruit of the Spirit may be construed as arriving because of the person’s works of the law.
      [[Why have such a fear about what Armstrongites believe? Their salvation depends upon what God does, by the power of His Spirit (Zech 4:6), with His Plan of Salvation through His Son in working out that Plan.]]

      With my two answer choices, I was referencing:
      Romans 5:1
      Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

      I had several conversations with the LCG associate I referenced about justification. He was oblivious to the concept but after a while, he seemed proud to send me something he had copied from the LCG website about justification. I responded by pointing out how LCG’s statement was not biblically sound and I cited several related verses. The LCG associate made a slight acknowledgement that the LCG statement could have been written better and subsequently has refused to address the subject. In my opinion, he decided that whatever his church said, or does not say on the subject, is all that is important to him – he has turned his back to learn anything more on the subject from the Bible.
      [[I was part of the former WCG for a quarter of a century, thought and believed as that individual did, and life went on. The man may not have turned his back on the Bible as much as you may think. Before all is said and done, all will be taught of God, who will work out His Will in their lives...perhaps like He is doing in ours. All the world is deceived. Millions believe they are going to heaven. This individual believes in works. Others believe in other satanic, counterfeit, theories. What's the difference? What is the workmanship of God's hands? To be or not to be: is that the question? God's Will be done!]]

      Anyone interested in the topic of justification can easily locate several verses like Romans 5:1 … but one cannot locate much mention of the concept of justification within COG literature. My belief is that is because justification refutes the COG veneration of the Law.
      [[And life goes on! All of the cog manmade groups, associations calling themselves churches of god, even after they were taught God had only one Church seems to be foolish. How many hirelings were taught not to vote? HWA and Joe Tkach Sr. were believed to be servants of God. Both had different jobs to do, and both died while "on the job." They may not have done the job you, I, we thought they should have done but was God's Will fulfilled (Rev 2-3)? Time will tell.

      Justification?

      To be continued…

      John]]

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  9. John: great verses! Those Holy Scriptures add more dept to the discussion on peace.

    However, I decline to offer a third choice (as wonderful as that valid third choice is), as you suggested, because I as I was trying to challenge Armstrongites on their reliance on their own actions, like trying to keep the Sabbath, versus what Jesus does for us.

    I wanted to keep my question simple; a choice between the Law – and – Jesus.

    My reluctance to add peace via the Holy Spirit as a possible answer choice is due to fear that many Armstrongites may believe that only those who keep the Sabbath can have the benefit of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, peace as a fruit of the Spirit may be construed as arriving because of the person’s works of the law.

    With my two answer choices, I was referencing:
    Romans 5:1
    Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    I had several conversations with the LCG associate I referenced about justification. He was oblivious to the concept but after a while, he seemed proud to send me something he had copied from the LCG website about justification. I responded by pointing out how LCG’s statement was not biblically sound and I cited several related verses. The LCG associate made a slight acknowledgement that the LCG statement could have been written better and subsequently has refused to address the subject. In my opinion, he decided that whatever his church said, or does not say on the subject, is all that is important to him – he has turned his back to learn anything more on the subject from the Bible.

    Anyone interested in the topic of justification can easily locate several verses like Romans 5:1 … but one cannot locate much mention of the concept of justification within COG literature. My belief is that is because justification refutes the COG veneration of the Law.

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    1. The booklets, the booklets my friend are more sacred than the actual Bible to them.

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    2. [[Continuing…

      In harmony with the 3rd choice I had suggested, justification is of Jesus' God, Jesus' Father: His Will be done. Huh? So many put so much stress on Jesus, it is almost like idolatry: putting Jesus in place of His Father. Jesus always directed others to His God, His Father.

      For example, even when mass numbers of people were healed, there was a time that the people gave the glory to Jesus' God:

      Matt 9:8 "But when the multitudes saw [it], they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men."

      And yes, Jesus was a man, a 100% human being like those who were healed: flesh, blood and bone.

      Matt 15:31 "Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel."

      But, justification?

      Romans 8:30 "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
      :31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?"

      God justifies! Huh?

      Romans 8:32 "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
      :33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God s elect? [It is] God that justifieth."

      Does God actually provide, by His Spirit (Zech 4:6), through His Son fruits of peace, and righteousness, as well as justification?

      Time will tell...

      John]]

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