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Friday, April 3, 2026

Good Friday, Bob Thiel's Attacks and the Profound Significance of the Day



Bob Thiel, leader of the improperly named "Continuing" Church of God, a self appointed/non-ordained upstart loves to mock the traditional observance by calling the Friday-to-Sunday timeline unbiblical “twisted mathematics” that fails to deliver a literal “three days and three nights” in the tomb (Matthew 12:40). He argues Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday (the Preparation Day before an annual “high day” Sabbath), buried before sunset Wednesday, and resurrected late Saturday afternoon—exactly 72 hours later—to fulfill the “sign of Jonah.” He dismisses Good Friday as a man-made tradition influenced by Roman compromise and pagan elements, claiming it makes “the word of God of none effect” (Mark 7:13) and denies the only public proof of Jesus’ messiahship.

Why Bob Thiel Is Wrong

Thiel’s position, while sincere and shared by some in certain Church of God groups, rests on a rigid, overly literal reading of “three days and three nights” that ignores ancient Jewish idiomatic usage of time. In biblical and Jewish culture, any part of a day was frequently counted as a full “day and night.” Examples abound:

  • Esther 4:16 and 5:1 — Esther fasts “three days, night or day,” yet appears on the third day.
  • Genesis 42:17-18 — Joseph imprisons his brothers for “three days,” then speaks to them “on the third day.”
  • 1 Samuel 30:12-13 — An Egyptian servant is described as having gone “three days and three nights” without food or water, yet the timeline fits partial days.

Jesus Himself used inclusive reckoning when speaking of rising “on the third day” (Matthew 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; Luke 9:22; 24:7, 46), a phrase repeated throughout the Gospels and fulfilled in the traditional timeline. From late Friday afternoon burial to early Sunday morning resurrection spans parts of three days (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) and aligns with “the third day” language used by the angels, Jesus, and the disciples (Luke 24:21, 46).

The Gospels explicitly place the crucifixion on the “day of Preparation” before the weekly Sabbath (Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:31, 42). John 19:31 notes it was also before a “high day” (the first day of Unleavened Bread), but this does not require two separate Sabbaths forcing a Wednesday death; the weekly Sabbath itself could be called “high” in context, and the women prepared spices after the crucifixion day but rested on the weekly Sabbath (Luke 23:56). Early Christian writers (e.g., Justin Martyr, Tertullian) and the consistent witness of the Church from the second century onward affirm a Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection. Claims of a Wednesday death rely on selective later sources (like the Didascalia Apostolorum) and calendar reconstructions that are debated even among scholars.

Moreover, Thiel’s broader critique—that Good Friday/Easter is pagan-tainted and that true Christians should keep only the biblical Passover/Holy Days—overlooks how the early Church, guided by the apostles and the Holy Spirit, developed its liturgical calendar to proclaim the fulfillment of those shadows in Christ (Colossians 2:16-17). The profound events of the Passion transcend a single calendar debate. Insisting on a Wednesday crucifixion risks missing the forest for the trees: the cross is not primarily about chronological precision but about God’s redemptive love.

The name “Good Friday” endures not because of perfect 72-hour math, but because of the goodness accomplished there.

The Deep and Profound Significance of Good Friday

Today, April 3, 2026, Christians around the world observe Good Friday—the solemn heart of Holy Week and the day that commemorates the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. At first glance, it seems an odd name for the darkest moment in the Christian story: a day of betrayal, torture, public execution, and apparent defeat. Yet the name “Good Friday” carries layers of meaning that reveal the event’s extraordinary depth. Far from a simple anniversary of suffering, Good Friday stands as one of the most profound turning points in human history according to Christian belief—a day when divine love confronted human brokenness and, through sacrifice, opened the door to redemption.

Why “Good” Friday?

The word “good” here does not mean pleasant or happy in the modern sense. Linguists trace it to an older English usage where “good” meant “holy” or “pious,” much like “the Good Book” for the Bible. Some traditions once called it “God’s Friday.” In German it is Karfreitag (“Sorrowful Friday”), and in many languages it is simply “Holy Friday.” The English name endures because Christians see profound goodness in what happened: the ultimate act of self-giving love that accomplished something eternally beneficial for humanity. As one theologian has noted, it was “good” precisely because Jesus’s death was not a tragic accident but the deliberate fulfillment of God’s plan to rescue people from sin and death—even if the exact hours spark honest chronological debate among believers.

The Events That Changed Everything

According to the New Testament Gospels, Jesus was arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane, tried before religious and Roman authorities, scourged, mocked, and nailed to a cross outside Jerusalem around the year 30 or 33 AD. He died around 3 p.m. on the Preparation Day before the Sabbath, uttering words of forgiveness, abandonment, and completion: “Father, forgive them,” “My God, why have you forsaken me?” and “It is finished.” His body was taken down before sunset and laid in a borrowed tomb.

To outsiders, this looked like the end of a failed messianic movement. To believers across centuries, it was the moment heaven and earth intersected in the most intimate way possible. God entered the full reality of human pain—not as a distant observer, but as one who bled, thirsted, and died. In that act, Christians see the ultimate expression of solidarity with every person who has ever suffered injustice, loneliness, or despair. Whether the precise day was what we now call Friday or another weekday in ancient reckoning does not diminish this reality.

The Theological Heart: Atonement, Love, and Redemption

The deepest significance of Good Friday lies in the Christian doctrine of atonement—the reconciliation of humanity with God. Christianity teaches that sin (humanity’s collective and individual turning away from God’s goodness) created a gulf no human effort could bridge. Jesus, understood as both fully God and fully human, stepped into that gulf. His death is seen as a substitutionary sacrifice: he took upon himself the consequences of sin so that forgiveness could be freely offered.

This is not abstract theology; it is profoundly personal. The cross reveals a God who loves not because we are lovable, but while we are still broken. As the apostle Paul wrote, “While we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). It is love that refuses to be defeated by evil, refusing retaliation and instead absorbing violence in order to overcome it. In the words of countless Christian writers, the cross is where justice and mercy kiss—God’s holiness is satisfied not through our punishment, but through his own self-offering.

Good Friday also confronts the paradox of suffering. In a world still filled with injustice, war, illness, and grief, the cross insists that suffering is never the final word. Jesus’s cry of forsakenness assures believers that God understands abandonment. His resurrection (celebrated two days later on Easter) promises that death itself has been defeated. Thus, Good Friday is not merely mournful; it is hopeful. It declares that the worst day in history became the doorway to the best news humanity has ever received: you are loved beyond measure, forgiven beyond deserving, and invited into a restored relationship with your Creator.

A Day of Reflection and Response

Throughout history, Christians have marked Good Friday with fasting, silence, and solemn services. Many attend the “Three Hours’ Agony” (noon to 3 p.m.), pray the Stations of the Cross, venerate a cross, or simply sit in quiet contemplation. No Eucharist is celebrated in many traditions, underscoring the emptiness before Easter. The day invites everyone—believer or seeker—to pause amid the rush of life and ask: What does sacrificial love look like in my own story?

In an age of instant gratification and self-promotion, Good Friday offers a counter-cultural wisdom: true greatness is found in self-emptying service, forgiveness of enemies, and trust that God can bring life out of what looks like total loss. It challenges us to confront our own capacity for betrayal (like Judas), denial (like Peter), or indifference (like the crowd), while extending the same mercy we have received.

The End Is Not the End

Good Friday does not stand alone. It is inseparably linked to Easter Sunday. The profound significance of the day is that darkness was real, the cross was cruel, and death was certain—yet none of it had the last word. The tomb would be empty. Hope would rise.

On this Good Friday, whether you approach it as a lifelong believer, a curious observer, or someone simply seeking meaning in suffering—or even if you question the exact weekday like Bob Thiel—the invitation remains the same: look at the cross. See there the length to which love will go. And dare to believe that the same power that turned the worst day into the greatest victory can still transform lives, relationships, and even the world’s broken places.

In the end, Good Friday is “good” because it reveals the deepest truth about reality: love is stronger than death, mercy triumphs over judgment, and God is for us, not against us. That is a significance worth pondering—today and every day—beyond calendar disputes.

40 comments:

  1. Thank you for this. I think you nailed it. It’s a home run. When we try to apply an exacting chronological approach to the Passion we fail to see the forest because of the trees. And if we use that approach as a validation of our doctrine and theological wisdom and understanding we miss the mark. Our own blindness and arrogance can blind us to the profound significance of what Jesus did as our Passover lamb. He came to serve. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am humble and lowly……..As Jesus also said; he who desires to be great among you, let him be your servant. And he who desires to be first among you, let him be your slave. The words of Jesus and His Passion have been misunderstood by many down through time, and the Armstrong movement is most certainly not immune from this. He did what we could never do, ever, save us. No works on our part will change that. Happy Pesach to you all.

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  2. Mercy does not triumph over judgment. That is wishful thinking. Most people have terrible judgment. In the real world, hate triumphs over truth.

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  3. "Looks" like the crucifixion was Friday, April 3, 33 AD by the Julian Calendar. The 3 "days" - Nisan 14,15,16. The 3 "nights" - a few minutes of darkness Friday afternoon after Jesus was put in the tomb, Friday night, Saturday night.

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    1. where does it say there was "a few minutes of darkness Friday afternoon after Jesus was put in the tomb"?

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    2. It doesn't say. The thought is extrapolated after considering the correct translation of Luke 23:54.........and the sabbath (Nisan 14, the 1st day of UB) ...."drew on"?....drew nigh?......was approaching? (Strong's 1448, eggizo)????

      No.

      ......the sabbath began to grow light....Strong's 2020, epiphosko. After Jesus was put in the tomb - verse 53.

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  4. P.S. Where did the Friday tradition come from? ...... Friday!!!!!

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  5. It was stated in the post that:

    “John 19:31 notes it was also before a “high day” (the first day of Unleavened Bread), but this does not require two separate Sabbaths forcing a Wednesday death; the weekly Sabbath itself could be called “high” in context...”

    The context is that according to John’s calendar the first day of unleavened bread fell on a Sabbath [the seventh day of the week] so John was saying that that Sabbath was also a holy day - the two coinciding.

    Non-atonement holy days are not shabbaths but shabbatons; in this instance the “on” suffix is a diminutive such as “let” in booklet.

    As a shabbaton is not as holy as a Sabbath food may be prepared on these days.

    While Christ died on a Friday the fourteenth, according to John’s calendar, the fourteenth according to the calendar, should still be observed on which day of the week it occurs; not a yearly Friday commemoration.

    Mt 28:1 And after the SABBATHS, in the shining forth to ONE OF THE SABBATHS, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the tomb. (SLT).

    Mt 12:1 In that time Jesus went in the SABBATHS through the standing corn and his disciples were hungry, and began to pluck the ears, end eat. (SLT).
    And the Pharisees, seeing, said to him, Behold, thy disciples do what is not lawful to do in the SABBATH.

    Lk 18:12 I fast twice of the SABBATH; I pay tithes of all I possess.

    The singular “sabbath and plural “sabbaths” can be used interchangeably for the seventh day of the week and for the seven day week.

    “ONE OF THE SABBATHS” means Sunday the first day of the week or one of the sabbath(s) as the Jews would say.

    No where is “sabbaths” used for a sabbat and a sabbaton occurring together.

    Mk 6:21 And when a convenient DAY was come, that Herod on his BIRTHDAYS made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;

    Mt 22:2 'The reign of the heavens was likened to a man, a king, who made MARRIAGE-FEASTS for his son, (YLT).
    Mt 22:8 then saith he to his servants, The MARRIAGE-FEAST indeed is ready, and those called were not worthy, (YLT).

    Ex 20:8 Remember the day of the SABBATHS [Gk: sabbaton plural] to sanctity it (singular) (ABP).
    Mt 28:1 And after the SABBATHS [Gk sabbaton, plural] (SLT).

    “... in the Septuagint the plural is sometimes used where the original Hebrew has the singular, and where it is obvious that the reference is to a single day [Ex 16:25, 26; 20:8, 10; 35:3; Num 15:32, Deut 5:12]. There may be a parallel here to the custom of using the Greek plural for festivals such as the Feast of Dedication (John 10:22), the feast of Unleavened Bread (Mark 14:1), a marriage feast (Matt. 22:2) or a birthday celebration (Mark 6:21)" (Walter F. Specht, "The Sabbath in the New Testament," in The Sabbath in Scripture and History, ed. Kenneth A. Strand, 1982, pp.92-93).

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  6. Matt. 20:1-16 is also mildly tangential. The parable of the workers, in which God counts a partial day of labor as a full day for the purpose of giving recompense. Tangential because it further illustrates the nuance we are presently discussing.

    It's also important to realize that the Jews interpreted the superlatives contained in their scrolls in a similar manner. "All" as in utterly slay all of the Amalekites, meant "for the most part". Same with things which were to be done or kept for "all times". It was understood as meaning for as long as certain specific conditions continued to exist.

    This is yet another reason why we believe the Old Covenant was specifically with and for the Hebrew tribes in the promised land. Time and date stamped, if you will, and It was best understood within the context of their language and their culture. The very act of translating from one language to another is in reality paraphrasing, no matter how careful one might be. Devout ones from earlier eras felt so strongly about this that they actually killed people who translated it, one of whom was William Tyndale. They thought his work not to be of benefit to humanity, but blasphemous. There is a whole bloody history associated with translators of the Bible.

    We have thousands of years of relatively uniform history and tradition surrounding Holy Week, and then suddenly Herbert W.Armstrong, or the people whom he plagiarized, swoop down, question it, and attempt to change it all and refer to Christians as "Christians falsely so called" Not been taught in nearly 2,000 years indeed! It's like an old Saturday Night Live skit such as "What if Hitler had won World War II", or "What if the South Had Won the Civil War?"

    I tend to think that if Bob Thiel had never heard of Herbert W. Armstrong, his basic personality would have lead him to another contrarian guru. That is just the way some people are wired!

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  7. Good work Bob. You are a clown, but you do get some things right.

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  8. Some people are wired to follow contrarians. Some people are wired to follow the crowd.

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    1. And some have faith in God and somehow been noticed by God and are wired to know his voice.

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    2. The bible instructs to "prove all things," but it's an ongoing process rather than a one off task. And it's typically by middle age that most people have acquired the knowledge and maturity to begin seriously challenging what they have been taught. Which is why most religious dissidents on YouTube are older people. So following the crowd by acting on the premise that they are probably right is unavoidable in one's youth.

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  9. So people will have to throw out the gospel of John and John's timeline given in scripture. I'm not aware of any Sabbath being called 'high Sabbath' in scripture unless it was a holy day.

    To genuine Sunday observing Christians Easter Sunday without doubt is the main "holy day" to them.
    On Good Friday all retail shops and restaurants, cinema's, theatre's ect are open as per their usual business hours, it is Easter Sunday when all retail and major industries shut down for the day.

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  10. A preacher told me he does not need to write his own sermons anymore. He can just use AI. So what we can expect is parroting, not inspiration.

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    1. Might be an approvement !
      An ai written sermon would be based on scripture and therefore not include church politics, in-fighting or false accusations !

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    2. At one point, several years ago, I was hanging out a lot in a local Berean Christian Bookstore. They stocked a number of items for members of the clergy as well as for individual Christians. Amongst these items were books containing sermon outlines. These initially caused me to wonder about the entire inspiration element as it applied to "canned" sermons, but as I considered their existence more in detail, I realized that inspiration happens on a personal level, often involves reference materials and that these outlines are simply another reference material to which inspiration would attach. I suppose that AI sermons would also work well with inspiration, but seriously doubt that they would be of value to Armstrongite ministers. The words, thoughts, and theories of Herbert W Armstrong are still taken by members as being the quintessential inspiration directly from quasi-Biblical character, "God's Apostle", and are the supreme modifier in the lives of his followers.

      I also enjoyed perusing the collection of Christian jewelry. One item which piqued my interest was a Messianic necklace, with the charm being a gold Star of David with a Cross superimposed. My thoughts went back to the time during which I was living out my sentence in the WCG and I thought "Wow! Wouldn't it have been great if we had had cool identity stuff like this to wear back then?" And then I remembered the outrage Bob Thiel had expressed when the surrounding community lovingly placed their crosses at the temporarily created memorial site following the Terry Ratzman rampage.

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  11. On a recent YouTube podcast I watched, noted scholar and Christian author Michael Heiser said that the Wednesday crucifixion scenario indeed had merit and was considered by many biblical scholars as an acceptable and legitimate alternative. He also covered the luny dating and calculations for determining Easter, the quartodeciman controversy (yes Virginia, that was a real conflict within the early church) and 3 days and 3 nights (it has merjt).

    It appears, according to Heiser, that HWA'S views on this was just as good as anyone's. Too bad in typical HWA fashion he made these beliefs requirements for salvation!

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    1. I would be grateful if you could find a link to that video you mentioned.

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    2. Of course it does have merit BP8. This argument over Jesus not being three days and three nights in the grave only grips followers of Joe Tkach Snr of a certain age range. It has no interest to others not in that sphere or age range.

      I recall in 90's a church that split up over eating/not eating mushrooms! What is a life and death argument to some over religion holds zero sway on others.

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      I'm having trouble with the link (it's my junk tablet), but if you go on YouTube and look up the podcaster you can find it.
      Podcaster: Dance Like David
      Title: Mindblowing: Chuck Missler and Michael Heiser reveal the Truth about Easter
      It's actually Missler who covers the Easter misconceptions while Heiser gives an excellent summation on Revelation 1:18, the meaning of Christ's victory over death. Both acknowledge that it is the meaning of the event that should take priority and not the misconceptions. Unlike HWA who did the very opposite.

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  12. If it weren't for this website Bob would be the insignificant little squeak that needs oiling. No wonder he is begging his followers to get him on the Tucker Carlson podcast (if you want to call it that) at any cost. Except using his tithes and offerings.

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    1. If Bobby boy is desirous of appearing on the Tucker Carlson podcast then that is a new low, even by the LOW standards of the Armstrong movement lol.
      And yes I agree, if it wasn’t for this website Bobby boy would be an unknown.

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    2. Bob most likely bears some similarity to most people who post on websites and blogs. He wants to see reactions to his ideas. In a perverse sort of way, he most likely derives some pleasure even from the bad reactions. In his distorted perspectives, he probably even sees in us people who will soon be punished for deriding his "truths". In his mind, "Boy, are they (us) ever going to be finding out!"

      I do believe we are one of several factors in his continued motivation. Sadly for him, it's all spiritual masturbation. He's simply fantasizing, only there is never any relief. That is the elusive part.

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    3. Why write perversion for no reason? And you have the gall to call Herbert an pervert.
      You reveal much of what dwells on your own mind, and what you really are about, whilst wrongly patronising others to be as low as yourself.

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    4. What? Come on, everybody knows about HWA's "Flog Log"! Still, the main reason I call Herbert a pervert is not that. He earned the label pervert via his activities with his younger daughter Dorothy.

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    5. Bob's need to stroke himself in public

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  13. Eh, you make good arguments that can easily mislead those with little to no understanding. The Church knows better and will not fall for it.

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  14. It is funny how people invoke God before they go to war. You have to wonder what God they believe in. You have to wonder if the war is a religious war.

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  15. "Rigid, overly literal reading of 3 days and 3 nights"? What's not clear about 3 days and 3 nights? If you don't know how to translate this, how can you know if God is being literal when He gives you a commandment? As for all the "3rd day" references, of course they fit the Fr--Sun narrative IF you are pushing a Fri crucifixion.

    You people are fooled by the translators who were Catholics. If they translated Pascha into Easter that tells you what their mindset was, i.e. that they were prepared to lead you towards a Friday-Sunday conclusion in support of the Easter doctrine, even though there is no proof of a Sunday morning resurrection, the tomb being open at the time (depending on the source), after a couple of hours of light, plus 2 nights and a day, which doesn't add up to 72 hours.

    A Friday crucifixion does align with the fact that a Sabbath was to follow so it was easy (for Easter proponents) to call the regular Sabbath a high day when it really wasn't. One question to ask if one does the research is, was there a Sab-Fri UB festival that year in 31 AD? (Some believe it was 33 AD but I believe they are wrong) A Sab-Fri festival rarely occurs, if at all, under the postponements as far as I know, which would make the biblical narrative an incorrect one. It would place LUB on a Friday and not allow for preparation for the regular Sabbath of the following week. For you who think that this doesn't matter, that is irrelevant because Fri is called a prep day for the Sabbath.

    There is more to consider. For example, the women had to prepare the ointments. Under a Fri-Sun scenario, would there have been enough time to do it (buy and prepare) before Sabbath? They were running out of time, watched as the body was entombed, ran back to the city to prepare for the NTBMO, still being in shock, resting on Sabbath, leaving early Sun morning, and finding no body in the tomb while it was still dark.

    Also, Mark says that they bought the ointments AFTER the Sabbath was past. (Were shops open on Saturday night?) Luke says it was done before. John says only Mary came first to the tomb. Luke says a few women came together to the tomb. Matthew says two women came to the tomb.

    The gospel accounts don't fully agree and they don't indicate when he rose from the dead but this fact shouldn't affect our faith that God raised Him from the dead, even though the details are shrouded in mystery in order to confuse you. (2 Thess 2:7)

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    1. Thoughtful observations, 10:54, however, you may want to go to the Jewish Encyclopedia and read up on the history of the Hebrew calendar. The first century was pre-Hillel II, and the calendar of the first century was still observational, compiled by the priests and approved by the Sanhedrin on a daily basis using the reports of special observers. Think of it in terms of the observation of the wave sheaf and counting off to Pentecost. Nisan is a derivative of the Hebrew word Nitzan, which means bud, appropriate as a name for the first month of the new year. Hillel's calculated calendar was not conceived until the 4th century CE, and reached its modern form in 922-24. This, for the convenience of observant Jews in the diaspora which was set in motion beginning with the destruction of Jerusalem in 69 AD. Following the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132-136 CE, the Sanhedrin moved to Galilee. It was renamed several times to avoid persecution, but the last universally binding decision of the Great Sanhedrin was in 358 when the calculated (fixed) Hebrew calendar was first established.

      The original written calendar records from the first century as compiled on a daily basis by the priests based on daily observations no longer exist. They are gone to antiquity. Attempts to reconstruct the calendar from those years using Hillel's formula in reverse are flawed due to the variables in compiling an observational calendar, such as the first sliver of a new moon not being able to be seen due to weather conditions. An observational calendar will not always correspond directly with a calculated one. There is also controversy regarding the lunar sabbaths of the pre-Hillel era.

      Anyone with additional info? Please do share.

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    2. "You people are fooled by the translators who were Catholics"

      What Catholics? Tyndale and the KJV translators (both of which used "Easter" in their translations) were not.

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  16. I guess this could be in the maundy thursday thread also.

    Bawana, the worldwide, and most all of the offshoots do not observe the feast like it is commanded. They use different names, but observe the bread and wine on a different day in almost every case. That is only one thing. Like several of the other feast days, they misunderstood / misunderstand different things on the feasts that lead to error in different ways, whether it is timing or what the day is representing. They mess up lots of other parts of the Torah.

    Now for questions.

    Why did the apostles continue observing the feast days after the ascension of the Messiah to the right hand of the Father? (Acts 12, Acts 15, Acts 20 in Jerusalem - not some catholic pentecost as that group did not yet exist, I Corinthians 11 - yes the Passover is mentioned. Doesn't mean bread and wine are only for that feast)?

    Those who are of Israel (really all, but Jews if you want to stick with that) are commanded to observe these days throughout their generations (Leviticus 23 remembering Matthew 5:16-20). Why do you never say that and why does Matthew apply differently to gentiles and israel and where is the history?

    Please answer with scripture and not opinion. It is obvious that the wcg did not know the instructions of the Creator and herbie and the herbsters were / are evil with even those being mistreated carrying some responsibility for their own error of following that crap. Basically, the only thing they understood / understand correctly for the most part was that the law of God has not passed. Other than that, they had or have gross error all over the place. They knew a bit more than the sda groups who are basically in the same shape. The protestants and catholics are the same with some more error for the most part. Seriously, instead of your speculation (feelings), where is this is the Bible?

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  17. The pre-occupation with what happened when during the Passover season when Christ was crucified widely misses the mark. The Biblical account is about the meaning of the crucifixion and not the chronology of events. The chronology is important only if you believe that you must imitate that chronology as an important behavior on the critical path to salvation. I believe this is how Armstrongists see it. They have salvation because they have the right timeline. Others are excluded from salvation because they do not have the right timeline. Figuring out the right timeline is, in this context, a “works righteousness” merit badge. Yet, in my years as an Armstrongist, I seldom heard the Armstrongist pulpit preach the chronology during these days. That topic lies in a nerdish backwater.

    There is a plausible interpretation of the chronology used by mainstream Christianity, if one is interested. If Armstrongists want to play chronology to establish their bona fides as true Christians, they need to back up and take on the really big conundrum. That is the logistics of how the population Israel came out of Egypt during the Biblical timeframe and where they crossed the Red Sea. They can spin their wheels forever on the literal interpretation of that one.

    Scout

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  18. People should read the gospels of Thomas and of Judas.

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    1. They have not been cannonised for specific reasons and can have several versions. When did Judas write his gospel ? Just before he hung himself ?

      It's similar situation to those who pushed the "book of knowledge" about 15 years ago, as being a lost book from scripture. It has ten versions. Which version do you pick as the authentic one ?

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  19. 1054
    One of the points Church Missler makes is that 1 Corinthians 15:3 says, Christ was raised on the third day according to the scriptures. Where exactly is that found in the OT? Some point to Hosea 6:2, but the fact is, only Jonah gives the divinely authorized sign that Jesus Himself points to, which is 3 days and 3 nights. While it is true that a third day may be a part of 3 days including 2 nights, the terms "AFTER 3 days", Mark 8:31, and the sign of Jonah cannot possibly be so reckoned. All the other terms, " in 3 days", on " the 3rd day" etc. can be reconciled to fit with the 3 days and 3 nights.

    Bullinger's Companion Bible nails this all down (see Appendixes 144, 148, 156, 165, 166).

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  20. 1102 asks, "why did the apostles continue observing the feast days after the ascension?

    The typical explanation given on this site is, the apostles were Jews living under the terms of the old covenant. That may sound reasonable on the surface, but a couple questions need to be answered, like:

    For them ( the apostles), when did the terms of the old covenant end and the terms of the new covenant began? And

    How did they understand the teaching of Jesus? Didn't His teachings have new covenant significance and ramifications?

    These questions are critical, because 10 years AFTER the resurrection and ascension, after what was nailed to the cross was nailed there, and after the middle wall was broken down, we find Peter still observing the laws of the clean and unclean (Acts 10), the apostles still keeping the days of Torah, and the apostle Paul teaching Gentile Corinthians out of the law of Moses (ch. 5, 9). Either these guys didn't learn anything from Jesus, they misunderstood Him, they were confused about the " covenants", OR our assumptions about said events are faulty and need overhauled. I believe it's the latter.

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  21. Any group believes Ex 23:14-16 by the Jewish Calendar? Certainly not Armstrong and splinters.

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  22. Re your last pgh, how do YOU explain it, 7 am? You can't imagine 1 or 2 million walking, say 10-15 m/day to the edge of the wilderness over 5 days or so, while making roughly 3 stops before getting to the sea coast?

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