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Sunday, October 11, 2026

Apostle John. and Polycarp Were NOT Charter Members Of The Continuing Church of God

 


By a Concerned Brother 
Who Can Actually Read Primary Sources

Bwana Bob has once again appointed himself the official historian of the first century, and the results are about as reliable as one of his prophetic timelines.

In his latest piece, (CG7, biblical accuracy, and Lucian of Antioch), Bob Thiel argues that the New Testament canon was essentially complete the moment John finished Revelation, that the Apostle John personally possessed the full 27-book list, and that he handed it off to Polycarp of Smyrna as part of a continuous "Church of God" chain of custody that somehow (after a brief 1,800-year nap) reappears in the Continuing Church of God. The entire argument is classic Armstrongist retrofitting: take real early Christian figures, strip away everything that makes them actual historical Christians, and rebrand them as proto-CCOG members who quietly believed in Sabbath, holy days, tithing, and the whole package.

1. The "John and Polycarp were True COG" claim is pure anachronistic cosplay.

Thiel treats the Apostle John and Polycarp as if they were early members of the same organization that Herbert Armstrong invented in the 20th century and that Bob now claims to lead. John was a Jewish-Christian apostle writing within the first generation of the movement that became the broader church. Polycarp was a second-century bishop of Smyrna who opposed Marcion, accepted the developing four-gospel collection, and operated within the emerging proto-orthodox network. Neither man left any evidence of British-Israelism, the specific Armstrongist calendar, the rejection of the Trinity in the modern COG sense, or any of the other distinctive markers of Thiel's group. Claiming them as "TRUE COG members" is the same move used for every other ancient figure Bob wants to recruit: if they mentioned Scripture or lived in Asia Minor, they must have been secretly running a Sabbath-keeping remnant that matches the 2026 CCOG website.

2. Selective quotation and circular "chain of custody."

Thiel cites Polycarp's Letter to the Philippians, the Harris Fragments, Irenaeus, Ignatius, the Didache, and 1 Clement as if they prove a closed 27-book canon under John's personal supervision. What they actually show is that early Christian writers in Asia Minor and elsewhere were using and quoting various apostolic writings and treating them as authoritative. That is normal and expected. It does not equal a formal, fixed canon list that John privately certified and passed to Polycarp like a membership card. Polycarp alludes to and quotes a number of New Testament writings; he does not provide a checklist of all 27 books, nor does any contemporary document record John compiling and sealing the collection. The argument is circular: "The true Church had the canon because Polycarp had it, and Polycarp had it because he was true Church."

3. Ignoring how the canon actually developed.

The New Testament collection was recognized gradually. Some books (the Gospels, Paul's major letters, 1 Peter, 1 John) were widely accepted early. Others (Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2-3 John, Jude, Revelation) had more varied reception. Athanasius's 367 Festal Letter is one of the earliest clear statements of the exact 27-book list that matches the modern Protestant canon; regional councils later confirmed it. Thiel's claim that the canon was locked once Revelation was written, and that only the "Church of God" in Asia Minor possessed it, requires ignoring the actual historical process and the fact that writings circulated across multiple Christian communities, not inside a single exclusive remnant.

4. The Asia Minor exclusivity argument is special pleading.

Yes, many New Testament books were addressed to or written from Asia Minor. That does not mean the churches there alone possessed or defined the canon, nor that every other Christian community was somehow outside the "true" line. Early Christian literature shows letters, Gospels, and apostolic traditions moving between Syria, Asia Minor, Greece, Rome, and elsewhere. Thiel's map of "only Asia Minor counts" is drawn to fit the conclusion that his preferred geography is the only legitimate one.

5. Textual history is pressed into service of the narrative.

The discussion of Lucian of Antioch, the Byzantine text, and the Textus Receptus mixes real textual scholarship with the usual implication that the "true" line preserved the pure text while everyone else corrupted it. This is a familiar pattern in certain Protestant and Armstrongist circles, but it does not demonstrate a continuous COG chain of custody from John through Polycarp to the present.

The pattern is consistent: real early Christians become honorary members of the Continuing Church of God, the historical development of the canon is flattened into a single apostolic hand-off, and any evidence that does not fit is either ignored or reclassified as the work of the "Greco-Roman" church. It is not historical method; it is membership recruitment conducted with ancient names.

PCG REJECTS: “Not Headquarters Material”

 



PCG REJECTS: 

“Not Headquarters Material”

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Dam Moffett


What happens when a PCG church member wants to move closer to headquarters—and is told she does not fit the image?

A few years ago, I met a woman at a church festival who lived in Seattle, Washington. She told me she was close friends with Steven Flurry’s wife and wanted to move to the Philadelphia Church of God headquarters in Edmond, Oklahoma. Her employer was willing to let her transfer to its Edmond location, so she had a practical way to make the move.

According to her account, her local minister approved but said she would also need permission from the headquarters minister, Wayne Turgen.

She told me his response was that she “did not fit the image they were trying to project.”

She said she broke down crying. She was a heavy woman and believed the rejection was because of her weight. I cannot say whether that was his reason, but that was how she understood the remark—and it hurt her deeply.

Another woman, Jennifer Ladd of the Cincinnati congregation, also wanted to move to headquarters. She was a Montessori schoolteacher and administrator and believed her experience could be useful at the school on the PCG compound.

Jennifer told me she asked Regional Director Cal Culpepper for permission to move. According to her, he told her she was “not headquarters material.”

What does that mean? What makes someone “headquarters material”? Shouldn’t a religious community value a person’s character, kindness, faith, and willingness to serve?

These are two accounts shared with me personally by the women involved. I did not witness their conversations with the ministers, but I heard how they described the rejection.

To me, these accounts raise a serious question about priorities. When members are told they do not fit an “image” or are not the right “material,” where is the concern for the people behind those labels?

James 2:1–4 warns against favoritism in the assembly. First Samuel 16:7 reminds us that people look at outward appearance, while Yahweh looks at the heart.

A “church” should take those lessons seriously. Members are human beings with feelings, abilities, and a desire to belong. They deserve to be treated with dignity—not left wondering what about them makes them unacceptable.