tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post1185169979611995474..comments2024-03-29T01:36:52.100-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: UCG Crisis Continues To Boil: Income Down, Less Ministers, Less MembersNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90560668509650384582011-09-04T08:58:15.340-07:002011-09-04T08:58:15.340-07:00Maybe you guys need to change your standard? See i...Maybe you guys need to change your standard? See if Christ is a better Standard of our faith than HWAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20015048071268299082010-10-20T09:20:30.813-07:002010-10-20T09:20:30.813-07:00You made a succinct comment in how WCG-GCI is lega...You made a succinct comment in how WCG-GCI is legally constructed, where the legal membership is ONLY the advisory council of elders ( only 'advising' Tkach) over the corporate boards:<br /><br />"UCG is run just like the current GCI/WCG, LCG, PCG, etc. They are corporations that's membership is made up ONLY of the advisory council of elders or their boards. Members in UCG, WCG, LCG, etc, still have no say in the organizations." <br /><br />The present GCI church association and corporate bylaws power structure is exactly same as HWA acted under, except that WCG has been pasted over with the innocuous-sounding name of GCI. Tkach may even have more power than HWA had over the WCG to do what he wants, as the national media is not now hovering over Tkachs. The WCG-CGI members are under the nice illusion they now have local control or somehow count but in reality, they legally don't. <br /><br />UCG made some minor reform changes in the local areas in finance and in limited local member vote. But the effect of the overall power structure is the same as in the WCG. Even with new UCG constitutional processes, consent of the membership is for the most part manufactured. Only the ministry are has a vote. Not only that, but UCG legal processes on paper are largely disregarded, as was the case with Larry Salyer.<br /><br />Stan Gardner<br />ambassadorreports.blogspot.comStanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15189373275825472416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81385890259172735002010-10-20T08:35:27.541-07:002010-10-20T08:35:27.541-07:00What is going on in the UCG is simply one more pro...What is going on in the UCG is simply one more proof that Armstrongism is not the Truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16533238813483279582010-10-20T08:33:03.867-07:002010-10-20T08:33:03.867-07:00Dirty politics and power struggles have ALWAYS cha...Dirty politics and power struggles have ALWAYS characterized Ambassador College and the churches of Armstrongism. The average devotee to Armstrongism has NO idea as to the depth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56654468213265691242010-10-20T05:42:25.067-07:002010-10-20T05:42:25.067-07:00What is in the "Sabbath & Fasting" ...What is in the "Sabbath & Fasting" paper? link?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60110292746246844032010-10-19T22:03:21.252-07:002010-10-19T22:03:21.252-07:00Keep in mind that HWA was being fed all kinds of n...Keep in mind that HWA was being fed all kinds of nonsense towards the end of his life. <br /><br />One person who was in charge at accounting (now part of LCG's hierarchy) in Pasadena bragged at one meeting I was in that they (Accounting) could manipulate any figures they had to fit any situation. <br /><br />The PT Newsstand figures were totally deceptive. Hundreds of thousands of these magazines were being thrown in the trash by people who disliked the church, WCG reported these as going out to readers, who then were tripled. WCG claimed that 3.5 readers read every signal issue of the PT. Thosaunds of PT's never reaced thenews stands but were thrown out in dumpsters still in their shipping boxes.<br /><br />Of any of the groups that broke off from WCG, UCG had the best chance of succeeding. They had the golden opportunity to start a new and improved organization. <br /><br />Many of these men knew the abuses that went on, I know, because I heard them gripe about the abuses. They had a chance to stop that. The members had a chance to make their ministry accountable. Neither happened. <br /><br />UCG is run just like the current GCI/WCG, LCG, PCG, etc. They are corporations that's membership is made up ONLY of the advisory council of elders or their boards. Members in UCG, WCG, LCG, etc, still have no say in the organizations. They are looked at as revenue sources (as Kubik so blatantly points out in his letter).<br /><br />WCG had over a half million people listed as members passed though it's doors between 1936 and 1990. In the last ten years or so of HWA's life the church was not growing in leaps and bounds. Sure lot's of new members joined, but about an equal amount were leaving. <br /><br />Many people in UCG that I know only stay with it because of their friends, acquaintances and familial ties. They are sick of the politics, they are sick of some of the doctrines. The lives they live once they leave church every Saturday are different from the one that they front at services. They are not living lives of debauchery (as some many in Armstrongism think those who no longer believe are doing) but are involved int their communities, their kids are involved in school sports and activities on Friday nights, and the list could go on and on.NO2HWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41998973052109828192010-10-19T16:59:28.391-07:002010-10-19T16:59:28.391-07:00But, today, 15 years later, we have not grown.
A...<i>But, today, 15 years later, we have not grown.</i><br /><br /><br />Around the peak years in the WCG, HWA had made it appear to be so easy to grow the church that many other people thought they could do it too, and even better than HWA had done. <br /><br />HWA had bragged about 30% per year growth for 35 years in the WCG. After JWT mocked this claim, the WCG under him declined by about 90%.<br /><br />Initially, the UCG had bragged about how fast they had got going, compared to how long it had taken HWA at the start. They seemed to forget that this was only possible because they were feeding on the remains of what HWA had built and JWT had destroyed. Now, the UCG has already had 15 years of no growth. Perhaps God is not pleased with the UCG. I know I certainly am not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com