tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post1849182548399123403..comments2024-03-29T03:57:21.878-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Gerald Weston Lashes Out At "Hate Blogs" Throws the tired and worn out stink bomb: "Accusers of the Brethren"NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15633619821725131642018-02-26T17:01:27.590-08:002018-02-26T17:01:27.590-08:00No, not the attire. The userpic was copied from an...No, not the attire. The userpic was copied from an internet user who goes by "princess blueyez" and is featured in multiple porn stills/videos on the internet. That's what the commenter was referring to. Unless Connie and PBE are one and the same, which is doubtful.RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37608512624081274612018-02-26T13:08:34.555-08:002018-02-26T13:08:34.555-08:00Highly illogical.
Neither I nor my Captain ever d...Highly illogical. <br />Neither I nor my Captain ever dominated Hollywood, although there were parts of both Rigel 9 and Earth where our Jew asses were liked.<br />Live long and prosper,<br />SpockAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88593342558584881892018-02-26T13:00:10.038-08:002018-02-26T13:00:10.038-08:00Anon at February 25, 2018 at 2:33 PM,
Firstly, I ...Anon at February 25, 2018 at 2:33 PM,<br /><br />Firstly, I am glad that Dennis's words made you think again about harming or killing yourself. <br /><br />Secondly, Connie's attire (sleeveless top shown last year or whenever it was) was simply a sleeveless top that many women wear when the temps are warm was simply that- a sleeveless top. Nothing more and nothing less, and certainly nothing pornographic. <br /><br />Thirdly, there's nothing to be ashamed of in asking for help of any type, and if you can't afford a particular counselor, most are more than happy to point you to a more affordable source of help.<br />Please understand that many of us who were once in HWA's church have benefited from some counseling now and then. <br />Even the best of folks can get a bit off after dealing with organizations like the WCG or LCG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51902948236804164082018-02-26T12:34:09.625-08:002018-02-26T12:34:09.625-08:0011.54 AM
While the conversation is not politically...11.54 AM<br />While the conversation is not politically correct by today's standards, I don't think it was immoral. Richard Nixon said no to all the anti family legislation of his day, which is why he is still respected by many, and hated by the forces of evil. The quotes above can be very misleading to younger people who would not be aware of the political moral climate of that period.<br /><br />PS both Star Treks actors Mr Spock and Captain Kirk are both Jewish. They most certainly do dominate Hollywood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61462600526506945852018-02-26T11:54:19.731-08:002018-02-26T11:54:19.731-08:00Lots of reasons to not be enamored with Graham.
H...Lots of reasons to not be enamored with Graham.<br /><br />Here's something from the Nixon tapes-<br /><br /><br />James Warren in the Chicago Tribune, who has filed excellent stories down the years on Nixon’s tapes, in this 1972 Oval Office session between Nixon, Haldeman and Graham, the President raises a topic about which “we can’t talk about it publicly,” namely Jewish influence in Hollywood and the media.<br /><br />Nixon cites Paul Keyes, a political conservative who was executive producer of the NBC hit, “Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In,” as telling him that “11 of the 12 writers are Jewish.”<br /><br />“That right?” says Graham, prompting Nixon to claim that Life magazine, Newsweek, the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and others, are “totally dominated by the Jews.”<br /><br />Nixon says network TV anchors Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley and Walter Cronkite “front men who may not be of that persuasion,” but that their writers are “95 percent Jewish.”<br /><br />“This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain,” the nation’s best-known preacher declares.<br /><br />“You believe that?” Nixon says.<br /><br />“Yes, sir,” Graham says.<br /><br />“Oh, boy,” replies Nixon.<br /><br />“So do I. I can’t ever say that but I believe it.”<br /><br />“No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something,” Graham replies.<br /><br />Magnanimously Nixon concedes that this does not mean “that all the Jews are bad,” but that most are left-wing radicals who want “peace at any price except where support for Israel is concerned. The best Jews are actually the Israeli Jews.”<br /><br />“That’s right,” agrees Graham, who later concurs with a Nixon assertion that a “powerful bloc” of Jews confronts Nixon in the media.<br /><br />“And they’re the ones putting out the pornographic stuff,” Graham adds.<br /><br />Later Graham says that “a lot of the Jews are great friends of mine. They swarm around me and are friendly to me. Because they know I am friendly to Israel and so forth. They don’t know how I really feel about what they’re doing to this country.”<br /><br />After Graham’s departure Nixon says to Haldeman, “You know it was good we got this point about the Jews across.”<br /><br />“It’s a shocking point,” Haldeman replies.<br /><br />“Well,” says Nixon, “It’s also, the Jews are irreligious, atheistic, immoral bunch of bastards.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16381044976079649852018-02-26T11:46:27.589-08:002018-02-26T11:46:27.589-08:00In the video. Gerald Weston claims that people sho...In the video. Gerald Weston claims that people should follow the practice of "thinking no evil" when evaluating the LCG.<br /><br />However, Weston and his cohorts' main thing is precisely the opposite.<br />They think and assign evil toward any views that they don't preach or believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6327496608789595402018-02-25T22:46:10.658-08:002018-02-25T22:46:10.658-08:00I liked Graham since 1) he was so distinctly authe...I liked Graham since 1) he was so distinctly authentically "different". Like black baptist churches. So different from wcg culture that they were not competing at all in market terms.<br /><br />2) Graham was in a sense a reminder of the "old" fundamentalist tent meetings. To me a reminder of wcg's start as a little flock among the fundamentalist revivalists hwa speaks about in the 1st chapters of his biography. The times of john boy walton.<br /><br />Franklin had problems in the past I learned. Most sons of great speakers have that. Their fathers know the crowd. But one person is vastly different from a crowd.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35659802083475955932018-02-25T19:21:04.498-08:002018-02-25T19:21:04.498-08:00Hello BB
A field day? In my area BG had the occas...Hello BB<br /><br />A field day? In my area BG had the occasional stadium filled, not so impactful in lasting terms.<br /><br />BG was bigger than HWA in access american domestic political leaders and some cultural symbiosis was present.<br /><br />Where I am at Chrystal Cathedral was perceived as "closer to home". Schuller was the World Tomorrow rival in the 1980-1990 period.<br /><br />In money terms no media ministry rivalled wcg. Not even vandeman.<br /><br />Unless you would argue wcg was a church. Whereas i would argue for a movement or evangelistic media ministry.<br /><br />Much of Grahams "firts" attributed to him were pioneered by HWA. Like China diplomacy.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74023985353466681192018-02-25T18:18:37.827-08:002018-02-25T18:18:37.827-08:00Anon 2:33 PM wrote:
Dennis, whether he realizes i...Anon 2:33 PM wrote:<br /><br /><i>Dennis, whether he realizes it or not, kept me from blowing my brains out. </i><br /><br />We can only wish that Phillip Apartian had had access to this blog or something like it. We can only wish that Karl Beyersdorfer had had access to this blog or something like it. <br /><br />What might have happened if Terry Ratzmann had read the "hate blogs" and understood his anger and sadness, instead of discharging it into the Brookfield congregation before ending his own life?<br /><br />How many other tragic accidents in the ACOGs are secret suicides (or attempts)? The young man who drove his ATV into danger he could not escape? The kid who was "cleaning" his shotgun when it went off and blew off most of his face? Then there are the suicides we know about, such as the PCG members despondent over losing loved ones to the "no contact" ruling.<br /><br />Sometimes some of us here give Dennis a hard time because he has his particular blind spots and neuroses that color how he presents himself and his ideas on this blog. But don't we all have our own versions of that? I'm not saying that we shouldn't rein Dennis in when he goes off on too wild of a tangent, but I am saying that he should never forget how much we appreciate him, even when we may roll our eyes at a particular post or comment. Dennis is healing, as are many of us. The difference is that Dennis is helping us heal by exposing us to his journey. That's something for which we should all be grateful, even if AstroTheology doesn't excite us in the least. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48548674744196249222018-02-25T17:05:51.533-08:002018-02-25T17:05:51.533-08:00Anon February 25, 2018 at 2:33 PM,
Powerful testi...Anon February 25, 2018 at 2:33 PM,<br /><br />Powerful testimony. So many of us have had those thoughts before we left. Funny when you think about it. A church which should give hope to human beings, instead causes them to despair to such a extent that they have thoughts of murdering themselves. And God is behind this???<br />Bullshit. They are the other guys church.Jameshttp://hwarmstrong.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21979480887694894132018-02-25T15:12:26.399-08:002018-02-25T15:12:26.399-08:00Richard, for me, Billy Graham represented the road...Richard, for me, Billy Graham represented the road not taken by my parents. They started watching (yes, HWA was then in his first attempt at television) both in 1956. They chose HWA because they bought into his contention that he had the truth about the sabbath. That was supposed to open the door to God granting true understanding, particularly regarding HWA’s “hook”, prophecy and us being in the end times. I have no idea how it would have affected my life if the parental units had selected BG, but I will say that his teachings were consistent with what had made my family such a wonderful nurturing group prior to the HWAcaca. <br /><br />Now, of course, we can clearly distinguish between the two “competitors”. We see one empire in decay with much debauchery and division having occurred, and another in which the principal was never ashamed of Jesus Christ, and never suffered any sort of moral failure. Obviously, this will go over the heads of the handful of stalwarts in the various ACOG splinters, and many whom HWA caused to become atheists won’t even care, but Billy Graham appears to have been the real deal, if we apply Christian standards to both mens’ lives. <br /><br />Oh boy! Nck will have a field day with this one!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22877973737027659762018-02-25T14:33:16.873-08:002018-02-25T14:33:16.873-08:00To Connie:
You said Dennis and I may disagree gre...To Connie:<br /><br />You said <i>Dennis and I may disagree greatly about the validity of God, and the Bible, however, his insights into some of the cast of characters is indeed valuable and helpful.</i><br /><br />I had to chuckle at this. For the longest time your profile pic on this blog was that of a porn star, until someone pointed it out. Dennis, who has used his real pic forever, has a lot more credibility just on that fact alone.<br /><br />The 2 things I appreciate most about Dennis are his courage and his desire to be authentic. Those are exceedingly rare qualities. Dennis, whether he realizes it or not, kept me from blowing my brains out. And that is no exaggeration. It took someone with his qualities to help, someone who understood what I -- and many other COG refugees -- go through, and also with an ability to explain in very plain terms, using basic critical thinking, why the bible cannot be taken literally. <br /><br />I owe a lot to Dennis. And I suspect many others do too. Thank you Dennis.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40546591458935511882018-02-25T14:03:54.234-08:002018-02-25T14:03:54.234-08:00Byker Bob said, "Not to change the subject, b...Byker Bob said, "Not to change the subject, but have any of the ACOGs noticed that Billy Graham has passed on?"<br /><br />MY COMMENT - I have been waiting for someone on this blog to make note of Billy Graham's passing. In 1960s Washington D.C. WCG, our Pastor Ken Westby informed us that Mrs. Graham was a Plain Truth subscriber and listened to the World Tomorrow Broadcast. I guess this was the Church's way of saying Billy Graham was aware of "the Work". <br /><br />Putting doctrine aside and given that Graham was a mass preaching and reaching contemporary of Herbert and Garner Ted Armstrong, it is now easy to see which ministry had a wider impact. Plus, unlike the Armstrongs, there was never any hint of any sexual or financial malfeasance scandals in the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. Squeaky clean describes Billy Graham. Garner Ted mimicked Graham late in his ministry by creating his own Evangelistic Association. For Garner Ted, however, he had been kicked out of 2 Churches for his sexual immorality so it was more of an insurance policy when he created his Association. <br /><br />Of course, Billy Graham was a fake Christian in the eyes of the all knowing and all Judgmental self-righteous Churches of God. Graham preached a counterfeit gospel about Christ as is the worldview of God's Elect in the one and only True Church - the Philadelphia remnant of the Worldwide Church of God under God's Twentieth Century End Time Apostle Herbert W. Armstrong. i agree with anonymous 12:11 AM. Because of differences in theology, it's difficult for the ACOG leaders to comment. <br /><br />RichardLake of Fire Church of Godnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46396250929121164422018-02-25T12:27:06.845-08:002018-02-25T12:27:06.845-08:00The opinions of the members, as it was in the day...The opinions of the members, as it was in the days of yore, are based on what each member knows or does not know. If you don’t know about corruption, or about pastoral malpractice, fiduciary malfeasance, and disciplinary mistakes or excesses, what are you going to do? If you have no knowledge of such things, you believe you are being honest when you deny them. Members of the old WCG who thought of themselves as having the proper attitude always erred on the side of the WCG. This is true of all committed team players. Most likely, unless we have some of the evil-doers posting here anonymously, all the members who are expressing their opinions are telling what they believe to be the truth. And, it varies widely.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18105528474701195812018-02-25T12:23:10.641-08:002018-02-25T12:23:10.641-08:00David Koresh, Herbert's Millerite brother, rea...David Koresh, Herbert's Millerite brother, really had the key to controlling people.<br />He exerted control far better than Herbert and his minions did. He cast himself as a Messiah that would return from death in the manner of Christ's Second Coming. And he told his followers that if they did not believe in his cockeyed doctrine of the Seven Seals, they would pay for it when he returned. A blatant threat.<br /><br />So effectively he is able to threaten people from the grave. Even though he is dead, his followers continue to be afraid of him. <br /><br />It is surprising that Herbert never thought of this Branch Davidian ploy. He said, with great and odd presumption, something about working directly under Abraham or some such thing in the Kingdom of God. He seemed to have his post already <br />picked out somehow - based on what, I don't know. A little embarrassing. <br /><br />Think of the great fear that would be on all the present day Armstrongists if they believed that Herbert, like brother Vernon Howell, was going to return with a "rod of iron." Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88634895789474030972018-02-25T11:07:52.688-08:002018-02-25T11:07:52.688-08:00This blog is a threat to LCG top brass because it ...This blog is a threat to LCG top brass because it has the potential to vaccinate LCG members with something called critical thinking. We all know LCG works very hard to get their members to shutdown their minds. These are things I heard leaders say from the pulpit while in LCG..."be loyal to your leaders,submit to your leaders, don't criticize God's ministers he worked and tested again and again or you'll never get in God's kingdom, don't go on the internet and look for negative things about the church... The list can go on, they were masters of brainwashing and control of information and the internet age is kicking them in the behind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74370159986855125122018-02-25T10:55:16.506-08:002018-02-25T10:55:16.506-08:00Anon 1014 wrote ... truth blogs. Truth hurts ...
...Anon 1014 wrote <i>... truth blogs. Truth hurts ...</i><br /><br />If someone on a blog points out an error in a COG, the person may be called <i>an accuser of the brethren</i>; when a COG member does it, the member may be disfellowshipped, or get disgruntled over the COG not listening, and leave ... and possibly will create a new COG...Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87391639596531562662018-02-25T10:45:14.607-08:002018-02-25T10:45:14.607-08:00@ 7:27 AM
Malm has already edited his blog to rem...@ 7:27 AM<br /><br />Malm has already edited his blog to remove his February 25 falsehood. So much for his "inside sources." Malm is just another vulture circling this blog for "news" he can scavenge and twist to preserve his reputation as an insider.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60089542657281149652018-02-25T10:14:44.446-08:002018-02-25T10:14:44.446-08:00It is my experience that the very top elite and th...It is my experience that the very top elite and their ministry cronies are the ones fuelling many of the hate blogs. I wouldn't call them hate blogs but truth blogs. Truth hurts and it hurts the ministry which doesn't say much about them being allegedly God ordained. but they have no one to blame but themselves.<br />If you dig deep enough and use wisdom you realize these so called hate blogs have emerged through the endless COG split wars. Each side sends out their cronies including their own wives to put their side of the war story out there. Cronies are rewarded with power for attacking the other side. <br />Why doesn't Gerald call out the secret ministerial websites which has fuelled much of the doctrine wars. It started within the ministry and Gerald should start there first.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8704145188626197562018-02-25T09:52:38.395-08:002018-02-25T09:52:38.395-08:00I've mentioned here before that the ACOGs are ...I've mentioned here before that the ACOGs are gangs. Here's a definition I've just come across.<br /><br />"Here’s how one author defines a gang: “a loosely organized group of individuals who collaborate together for social reasons.” “Social” in the deepest psychological, even epistemological sense – using each other, in a way, to determine what reality and ethics are; as opposed to using their own individual minds, and their faculties of reason, for assessing what reality is.<br />As one gang expert points out, “You must remember that (individual gang members) believe everything the gang tells them.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30957725196250531312018-02-25T08:19:50.585-08:002018-02-25T08:19:50.585-08:00844. I was only noting we all wear masks not we al...844. I was only noting we all wear masks not we all should remove them. I'd personally be authentic to me at this point in life. I have not found myself to be any better or any worse than the thousands I have known over 50 years. Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17266112796114131485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72021467774450289812018-02-25T07:56:07.076-08:002018-02-25T07:56:07.076-08:00I think Weston is acting in a rational way. He has...I think Weston is acting in a rational way. He has a point of view and he is defending it. One way he does this is to attack his critics. How are we to fault him for his methodology? We see this in the news media and among our political leaders all the time. <br /><br />To put the methodology in simple terms: If you are a salesman marketing a product you are driven to stanch the flow of negative testimony as much as possible with fact or fiction. <br /><br />Where he may be faulted is not in his methodology but in the content of the product he is marketing. Here we arrive at a product called Armstrongism with all of its effects. <br /><br />Armstrongism is not so much a theology as a religious product designed to be marketed. Its concepts can be encompassed in a collection of small booklets. It was packaged by an advertising salesman sitting in a public library in Des Moines and channeling Ellen G. White and William Miller by way of the Millerite Church of God Seventh Day - in general, a mélange of heresies. There is nothing mysterious or profound about the origin of Armstrongism. In this content is where the problem resides. <br /><br />Just saying ... there is a distinction between content and methodology. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66528018868143752732018-02-25T07:27:23.016-08:002018-02-25T07:27:23.016-08:00Gerald is RIGHT to point out that some of the &quo...Gerald is RIGHT to point out that some of the "hate blogs" are full of crap. Notice the latest LCG news from James Malm:<br /><br /><i>25 Feb: By Sep 2017 LCG magazine circulation had plunged from 417,000 to 293,000. They have now discontinued announcing circulation figures.</i><br /><br />The March-April 2018 Tomorrow's World magazine lists on page 4 a circulation of 257,000. They have <b>not</b> discontinued announcing circulation figures. So, where does Malm get the 417,000? The highest circulation ever claimed for the Tomorrow's World magazine was 539,000 in <a href="https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/sites/default/files/magazines/pdf/twmarapr16.pdf" rel="nofollow">March-April 2016</a> . In just two years, Tomorrow's World has lost <b>more than half</b> of its circulation!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66351621480044228262018-02-25T06:15:41.587-08:002018-02-25T06:15:41.587-08:00Hate blogs?
Why not hate religion, courtesy of th...Hate blogs?<br /><br />Why not hate religion, courtesy of the LCG and their Klansman types. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47429458030232090432018-02-25T04:59:37.016-08:002018-02-25T04:59:37.016-08:00GWeston near 59 minutes said: "...And I just ...GWeston near 59 minutes said: "...And I just have a question - I wanna present it to all of you: Is following, looking for information about the Church, following hate blogs, is that “thinking no evil” or expecting evil? I’ve never understood - I understand why sometimes people do find some of the hate blogs to find out [[follow]] what’s going on, what they’re saying about us and that sort of thing - I don’t, I really honestly don’t. Why don’t I?...Well, is that 1 Corinthians 13:5...or is that more Satan’s way, the ACCUSER of the brethren? We need to think about those things..."<br /><br />1 Cor 13:5 "Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;"<br /><br />Gerald admits not understanding, that he never understood. Why not? Okay, we considered 1 Cor 13:5, but has Gerald ever considered the following?<br /><br />"I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me." Romans 7:20<br /><br />That verse is in the Bible. The Apostle Paul thought about evil, and he knew it was present with himSELF, but Gerald? Does Gerald understand that? And that is talking about a LAW!<br /><br />Evil isn't as far away as Gerald would have us believe, but he probably can't see it within himSELF, so GWeston comes off as somewhat SELF-Righteous.<br /><br />Well, if Gerald reads this, or one of his followers pass this on to him, just how far is sin from GWeston? Gerald probably does not understand this either, but here come more of Paul's words for him:<br /><br />Romans 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth IN me.<br /><br />:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth IN me.<br /><br />Gerald may be striving to get away from evil, but that sin? Sin just seems to happen, but it exists...almost like it was some sort of a law too, at least in this present evil world (I John 3:8; Gal 1:4).<br /><br />I suppose that it is nice that Gerald is striving to help people avoid evil (and sin too?), but it is unavoidable for now. It is just all a part of life for all of us, but Gerald does not have to come/go to what he considers to be hate blogs and gossip columns to find evil associated with himSELF or his "living" group, b/c evil is a lot closer to him and his "living" group than he currently realizes...unless Gerald and those of his "living" group want to turn a blind eye to Paul's (and John's of I John 3) words.<br /><br />One may thinketh no evil, but it's all around us, even within, if one has the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the mind to perceive.<br /><br />Time will tell...<br /><br />John<br /><br />P.S. Yes, I'm caught up in evil too..just like Job was: "When I looked for good, then evil came unto me: and when I waited for light, there came darkness." Job 30:26<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com