tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post1990820615968282057..comments2024-03-29T02:57:52.065-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Gerald Flurry Commands Cult Members to Cut Off ALL Contact With Nonmember ChildrenNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9515047042844846542016-08-02T02:43:48.973-07:002016-08-02T02:43:48.973-07:00Just heard that Fred Dattalo from Canada made the ...Just heard that Fred Dattalo from Canada made the announcement Sabbath that the No Contact ruling now extends to mates/spouses that have stopped attending. What happened to "if they're pleased to dwell with you?". One member got up and left during services! Why aren't more leaving? Maybe because people want to walk away from their families and they use Flurry as their reason!<br />Sickening!<br />Their love has Waxed cold and they are without natural affection!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49378334851763196872016-07-31T04:11:16.423-07:002016-07-31T04:11:16.423-07:00All Jerry Flurry needs now is a pair of dark glass...All Jerry Flurry needs now is a pair of dark glasses and rename the Edmond compound Flurrytown. <br /><br />Seriously how much poison laced Kool aid do you have to drink to follow this clown?Henry Bemishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14744363735474261058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12147125687091269822016-07-26T09:23:05.556-07:002016-07-26T09:23:05.556-07:00Yep. In WCG, Herbie had us all brainwashed that we...Yep. In WCG, Herbie had us all brainwashed that we were the "lucky" few.<br /><br />There was no discernable reason why WE were the lucky "chosen few" out of the whole world from whose eyes "god" had "miraculously" removed the scales so that we alone could see spiritual "truth." We just were. We were the weak and base things in which no flesh should glory. Why did "god" call us, and not some other chump? Why were we the "lucky" ones who got their prayers answered, even if the answers were always "no," or "wait." No reason, we were just the "lucky" few.<br /><br />Actually, there is a reason. I was born into it, myself, but I guess the same applies. But my parents selected themselves. They thought it sounded good to be "special." They wanted to be "lucky." Could it be? Is it possible? Then so it is! We were the ones who, as our own cold readers, connected the dots between what we prayed for, and what happened, and assigned the will of the gods accordingly. We are the ones who remembered the hits and swept the misses under the rug. We were the ones who made god in our image, and then caused him to choose us to be his "lucky" few.<br /><br />Some of us are ready to grow up and face reality. Others aren't finished chasing their tails and playing this game with themselves. As soon as you do stop, however, it really is apparent how you managed to manufacture the entire thing. The illusion evaporates.Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85203072149502201132016-07-26T06:51:23.326-07:002016-07-26T06:51:23.326-07:00Stephen on July 25, 2016 at 4:51 PM said...
“Oh,...<br /><i>Stephen on July 25, 2016 at 4:51 PM said... <br /><br />“Oh, I see. I'm not 'smart enough.'”</i><br /><br /><br />Exactly! <br /><br />You also do not seem to be lucky enough either.<br /><br />You cannot just carelessly believe every inventive writer with an agenda.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45445255387125932462016-07-25T16:53:38.336-07:002016-07-25T16:53:38.336-07:00...Continued
The bottom line is, when you start t......Continued<br /><br />The bottom line is, when you start to do <i>real</i> serious bible study, instead of mere bible reading, you begin to see why it's foolish to think the bible is ancient anthologies of Hebraic and Hellenistic mythology and anything but trustworthy.<br /><br />So, what are you saying, assuming Jesus existed, assuming he actually made this prophecy, and we aren't simply reading a work of pure fiction, and assuming Jesus = "the son of man," Peter, James, and John were those ones he was referring to who didn't taste death before they saw "the son of man coming in his kingdom," because of the transfiguration pericope records "the son of man coming in his kingdom"? What, metaphorically? Is that the apologetics you're going to use to try to rescue Jesus from being caught in an obvious falsehood? Is this your final answer? OMG...<br /><br />"<i>Remember that the chapter divisions were added by men.</i><br /><br />Did you just look at Matthew, and then not bother even noticing the transfiguration pericope appears in the same chapter as this prophetic utterance in Mark and Luke? Geez, not even a bible <i>reader</i><br /><br />Serious study of the bible is not done apologetically any more than serious biblical archaeology is done "with a shovel in one hand and a bible in the other," like William F. Albright.<br /><br />As long as your mind remains trapped within the claustrophobic apologetic maze, you'll never even realize what the word "serious" means.Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75376832089159026572016-07-25T16:51:12.951-07:002016-07-25T16:51:12.951-07:00Oh, I see. I'm not "smart enough." S...Oh, I see. I'm not "smart enough." So those who aren't "smart enough" are ineligible to have their prayers answered, according to you? And thus, all is lost. And who is "smart enough"? You, for one, I suppose? By definition?<br /><br />And, what, only people who are "smart enough" have the, um, "smarts" to do "serious bible study"?<br /><br />Any serious bible study, beginning with the origin of the bible itself, shows that the bible is a very problematic, very human, set of writings.<br /><br />Archaeology, genetics, etc. disproves the old testament stories all the way up to at least the time of Solomon in the 10th century BC. That means no Adam and Eve or Noah, no enslavement, wandering, conquest, or united monarchy. The best evidence indicates the bible didn't even begin to be written until 300 years after the time of Solomon. The Israelites and the Jews are most likely tribes of Canaanites. El and Yahweh are Canaanite deities. What we have been handed has been highly edited and redacted in order to project a late henotheism back onto an earlier polytheistic past. <br /><br />The new testament isn't any better. No one knows who wrote the 4 canonical gospels. They're all written anonymously, in the third person, and obviously not by eyewitnesses. They have to rely on other sources. Speaking of sources, Matthew plagiarizes 97% of Mark, and Luke plagiarizes 88% of it, often word for word. If you're recounting your own experiences, you don't do any of these things. And besides this, only about 3% of the population of 1st century Judea was literate, and fisherman would not have been among them, and especially would not have been trained in the high art of the forms of classical literature, such as the Markan Sandwich. 6 of the 13 epistles of Paul weren't written by the same guy who wrote the other 7 of them, meaning they're forgeries, along with most of the other epistles. And whoever Paul was, he certainly wasn't a pharisee, because no pharisee would use the Septuagint. Who wrote the Apocalypse of John? It doesn't say. Was it "John the elder," "John the apostle," or "John of Patmos"? COG people love to say it was written on Patmos, but is there any reason to think "John the apostle" ever went to Patmos? It's hard to know what sets the 27 "canonical" books of the new testament aside from the other 150 or so "apocryphal" gospels, acts, epistles, and apocalypses. Do you trust the early catholic church fathers to have had clairvoyance to separate the sheep (assuming there are sheep to begin with) from the goats? If it weren't were the tireless campaigning of Athanasius for the Apocalypse of John, it probably wouldn't have ended up in the canon, since so many of them thought it was a forgery.<br /><br />Many of the most important aspects of the old testament cannot be literally true. All you're left with is metaphor.<br /><br />Continued...Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37982386731638050962016-07-25T08:32:26.076-07:002016-07-25T08:32:26.076-07:00Stephen on July 24, 2016 at 10:02 AM said...
“It&...<br /><i>Stephen on July 24, 2016 at 10:02 AM said...<br /><br />“It's the fact that my prayers were never answered, among other things, that generated those doubts in the first place, not the other way around. Eventually, due to his continued neglect, I stopped believing altogether. So, you see, I am equally justified in telling you that you are wrong, just on this basis alone. But of course, there's extra things on my side, like how Mark 9:1/Matthew 16:28/Luke 9:27 conclusively demonstrate that Jesus was a false prophet, just for example.”</i><br /><br /><br />The only thing that those three verses you mentioned conclusively demonstrate is that in each case you were not smart enough to read the very next few verses after them, which in each case talk about the transfiguration. Remember that the chapter divisions were added by men. Your continued neglect of any sort of serious Bible study whatsoever might have something to do with your problems.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8218923131487526402016-07-24T23:49:12.219-07:002016-07-24T23:49:12.219-07:00Anon11:46AM wrote:
"Stephen, close the door ...Anon11:46AM wrote:<br /><br />"<i>Stephen, close the door to evil in your mind, ie, make the resolution to live by the straight and narrow, prayer, study, work hard, and God will answer your prayers. God is no respecter of persons, so it works every time.</i>"<br /><br />What "door" is this in my mind? To what "evil" are you pre-judging me for? How do you know I'm not still on just as straight a path as anyone?<br /><br />No, it doesn't work every time. For me it never worked. I've wasted too many decades of my life already with prayer, bible study, tithing, church, and blah, blah, blah, the whole nine yards of everything you could ever recommend. For me, it doesn't work, period. For me, there is no one there. I'm done with looking for things that aren't there. What a waste!<br /><br />God is not a respecter of persons? The bible is full of examples of god being a respecter of persons, starting with the patriarchs. The gospel according to John says Jesus even played favorites with one of his disciples!<br /><br />Feel free to knock yourself out though...<br /><br />Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3546728405183028552016-07-24T17:57:32.006-07:002016-07-24T17:57:32.006-07:00July 24, 2016 at 8:04 AM
July 24, 2016 at 9:07 AM
...July 24, 2016 at 8:04 AM<br />July 24, 2016 at 9:07 AM<br />sockpuppets?<br /><br />July 24, 2016 at 11:46 AM = pie-in-the-skyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28181378527253277642016-07-24T17:54:01.685-07:002016-07-24T17:54:01.685-07:00"...the thing is that your non existent Big D..."...the thing is that your non existent Big Daddy keeps answering my prayers, so I'II stick with believing in my Daddy."<br /><br />I think that you tend to do retroactive praying. <br />ex post facto law<br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-33919330825168863692016-07-24T17:47:30.293-07:002016-07-24T17:47:30.293-07:00"capitalist advertising"?
more like pro..."capitalist advertising"?<br /><br />more like propaganda<br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79205913461545116502016-07-24T11:46:04.569-07:002016-07-24T11:46:04.569-07:00Stephen, close the door to evil in your mind, ie, ...Stephen, close the door to evil in your mind, ie, make the resolution to live by the straight and narrow, prayer, study, work hard, and God will answer your prayers. God is no respecter of persons, so it works every time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27717367420683381792016-07-24T10:02:39.509-07:002016-07-24T10:02:39.509-07:00Anon8:04AM, by the same token, neither your, nor I...Anon8:04AM, by the same token, neither your, nor I suppose, anybody else's sky daddy ever answered my prayers. So by that token, I'll stick with not believing in any of those big sky daddies. It's the fact that my prayers were never answered, among other things, that generated those doubts in the first place, not the other way around. Eventually, due to his continued neglect, I stopped believing altogether. So, you see, I am equally justified in telling you that you are wrong, just on this basis alone. But of course, there's extra things on my side, like how Mark 9:1/Matthew 16:28/Luke 9:27 conclusively demonstrate that Jesus was a false prophet, just for example.<br /><br />I'll see your prayer and raise you a false prophet.Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47178075858899320782016-07-24T09:07:32.900-07:002016-07-24T09:07:32.900-07:00Gloria Olson, you sound like a little child with y...Gloria Olson, you sound like a little child with your big daddy stuff, obviously you don't have a clue about the reality of the one you childish call big daddy, your bitterness has you complexly blinded. What you say about this site and others makes me wonder what your doing here besides whinning. Anonymous 8:04 says it perfectly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11850500982234556632016-07-24T08:04:09.084-07:002016-07-24T08:04:09.084-07:00Gloria Olson, the thing is that your non existent ...Gloria Olson, the thing is that your non existent Big Daddy keeps answering my prayers, so I'II stick with believing in my Daddy. This is what happens when people stop going forward and start going backward. They begin to have doubts about Big Daddy, and finally stop believing in Big Daddy all together. The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.<br />This applies to Dennis as well. Him and longhair are both wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11651946374243652022016-07-24T06:16:14.876-07:002016-07-24T06:16:14.876-07:00GRF is making everyone choose him over God and fam...GRF is making everyone choose him over God and family. Once people choose him, there will be nothing they won't give up for him. I've been thinking of how many families this ruling will affect. There will be few families untouched. This is devastating!<br />Sure wish people would write letters to theEdmond Sun or the Oklahoman to get this cult exposed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52307985931606184102016-07-24T05:08:29.215-07:002016-07-24T05:08:29.215-07:00Anon 10:59;
Good point, maybe the same will happe...Anon 10:59;<br /><br />Good point, maybe the same will happen with RCG. It also is losing members and ministers. And everyone has already given all they can, now it is continual fundraising. And the building projects continue. (Not much "spreading the gospel" being done!) Pack's own family doesn't believe in what he is doing/ preaching. I guess he will have to have "no contact" with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60126789992711301492016-07-24T02:28:37.733-07:002016-07-24T02:28:37.733-07:0010.59 PM The average house in Sydney now costs one...10.59 PM The average house in Sydney now costs one million Australian dollars (ie 745,000 American dollars). In some 'average' suburbs in Melbourne, it's two million dollars. So all they need is the odd old person kicking the bucket, giving the money to the PCG, and all is well financially.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60812652906368153132016-07-23T22:59:19.019-07:002016-07-23T22:59:19.019-07:00Why are you so worried?
By PCG's own admissio...Why are you so worried?<br /><br />By PCG's own admission PCG is currently experiencing a 25% drop in income. Doesn't sound a lot, but unless that trend is reversed sometime very very soon - 18 months maximum - the organisation will simply have to close its doors or start a major program of lay offs and cut backs simply in order to survive.<br /><br />Will PCG turn it around?<br /><br />When you consider that despite the fact the majority of PCG members loath the focus on music and dancing PCG Edmond still continue to ram Irish dancing and Malone's musicals down their throats.<br /><br />When you consider everything PCG taught about Worldwide making Ambassador College the focus and not the message, and now PCG, especially Stephen Flurry is doing just that.<br /><br />When you consider the youth focus over recent years has gotten to the point where PCG members hear about little else.<br /><br />When you consider that heir-apparent Stephen Flurry is incredibly disliked<br /><br />When you consider that despite their critical financial position, a multi-million dollar dancing facility is beng built.<br /><br />When you consider that they are serious considering buying and operating a private jet<br /><br />What do the people on this blog think that long-term future of the PCG really is?<br /><br />As several commentators have recently stated on a few PCG-related posts here on Banned, the general membership are being increasing alienated from their own church. As such, many are simply losing interest.<br /><br />When the core membership of any organisation is no longer interested in the organisation's overall goals and purposes, a sudden demise is the only thing that can be reasonably expected.<br /><br />25% drop in money is a huge issue - stick around people things in Oklahoma are about to get rough.....<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52377263890883261412016-07-23T21:54:57.291-07:002016-07-23T21:54:57.291-07:00Anonymous TradingGuy on July 23, 2016 at 8:10 PM s...<br /><i>Anonymous TradingGuy on July 23, 2016 at 8:10 PM said...<br /><br />“1.33PM...It seems that Herbie rather than God is your 'home base.'”</i><br /><br /><br />The interesting thing is that Gerald Flurry and David Pack both claim to be HWA's loyal and faithful follower and rightful successor. They both criticize everyone else over every picky little thing they can make up, while claiming to be faithfully following HWA themselves. Yet, in the end, they have both gone much further astray than anyone else. They always try to create a distraction by nitpicking about other people's supposed faults and errors, while they themselves then slip in the most monstrous doctrinal changes imaginable. They brazenly claim to be faithfully teaching exactly what HWA had taught, even as they totally change what HWA had taught. Satan-sent, Satan-directed, false prophets like Gerald Flurry and David Pack are an interesting case study.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75506767003875587572016-07-23T20:10:04.248-07:002016-07-23T20:10:04.248-07:001.33PM Dave Packman, ha, ha, very witty post. It s...1.33PM Dave Packman, ha, ha, very witty post. It seems that Herbie rather than God is your 'home base.' What you ignore is that Herbie fell away, and did a lot of theological perverting himself. Herbie was trained in capitalist advertising, but decided that communism was better, even though capitalism is explained in black and white in the parable of the talents. So Herbie hid trade and taught commie doctrines with his 'give way' 'helping,' serving,' etc. Note how 'giving' attacks cause and effect, and 'you reap what you sow.' Another commie doctrine he introduced into the church is tyranny. Christ taught not to lord it over members like the gentiles, but Herbie decided to follow Stalin instead. He even decided to make tyranny the gospel with his 'government is everything' mantra. No matter that common sense dictates that the gospel is that one can attain eternal life if one builds sufficient character. Not forgetting, Herbie had members wear cloths similar to Mao suits and neo military haircuts cause no individuality is permitted. The Borg collective would approve. <br />Herbie sin of hiding trade still plagues everyone of the slivers to this very day.<br />All the rights inherent in trade such as the right to life, the trunk of the tree, self interest, maximum profit, shunning loss, 'being on your side,' are rejected and under constant attack. Obey the 'ten commandments' but members have no right to its consequences, ie profit and the right to life. The profit rather goes to the predatory losers. So Herbie like Stalin and president Banana succeeded in creating a paradise for the irresponsible. God regards Herbie as a traitor, according to a answered prayers request, so forget about him being in the kingdom. <br />A reminder that a Christian is one who follows Christ rather than some church guru.<br /><br />Cheers TradingGuy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37400267896841602832016-07-23T19:58:44.609-07:002016-07-23T19:58:44.609-07:00RSK on July 23, 2016 at 4:30 PM said...
“It would...<br /><i>RSK on July 23, 2016 at 4:30 PM said...<br /><br />“It would have been after my time anyway, but I don't remember this point our resident COG Comedian has cited at least twice regarding Junior and tithing.”</i><br /><br /><br />In the January 1995 <i>Worldwide News</i> newspaper article about the massive doctrinal changes, the Tkaches basically said that to be consistent while doing away with everything else they were doing away with tithing too. However, shortly afterwards, the divorced (in 1978) and remarried (in 1980) Joey, Jr. suddenly and conveniently claimed to have “discovered that Abraham tithed before the institution of the Old Covenant” and began calling on “every man, woman, and child to resume tithing immediately.”<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11399477380676699272016-07-23T18:50:27.625-07:002016-07-23T18:50:27.625-07:00Apparently, the only thing that HWA had ever been ...<i>Apparently, the only thing that HWA had ever been right about in his entire 52-year religious career was tithing</i><br><br />The only restored "truth" that Tkach retained was the unbiblical one-man rule style of church government. It was necessary to keep this in order to totally destroy WCG. Unfortunately, Flurry and Meredith have embraced this "truth" and are destroying lives with it, too. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-33747633972898704662016-07-23T17:19:45.704-07:002016-07-23T17:19:45.704-07:00To be read in all churches on the Sabbath!
All me...<b>To be read in all churches on the Sabbath!</b><br /><br />All members of the Churches of God are commanded to follow the non contact rule on pain of being disfellowshipped:<br /><br />No baptized member is to listen to or have contact with in any way, any False Prophet preaching any form of British Israelism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43377264198555762292016-07-23T16:30:34.939-07:002016-07-23T16:30:34.939-07:00It would have been after my time anyway, but I don...It would have been after my time anyway, but I don't remember this point our resident COG Comedian has cited at least twice regarding Junior and tithing.RSKnoreply@blogger.com