tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post2051350632143798419..comments2024-03-28T15:31:16.474-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Tom Munson's Letter to Restored Church of GodNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37920004531029989982023-07-18T11:30:13.149-07:002023-07-18T11:30:13.149-07:00Klepto-Dave Pack-of-lies is the second-worst false...<b>Klepto-Dave Pack-of-lies</b> is the second-worst false prophet (after Gerald Flurry) that Satan ever sent against the Worldwide Church of God people. <br /><br />Many former WCG people vastly underestimated the power of Satan to deceive. Ditto for underestimating his cruelty.<br /><br />As Thomas Munson wrote, “He [Dave Pack] takes sincere people and uses them up, and spits them out, without a shred of concern about how he destroys peoples lives.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42163400826052275162016-01-03T05:13:08.390-08:002016-01-03T05:13:08.390-08:00I'm speechless! I've been following rcg fo...I'm speechless! I've been following rcg for 6 years now. When I started I thought I found the church. I tithe soon after. Then requested booklets. I didn't make much, but knew it was Gods. Once I stopped, I noticed booklets I requested stopped. So I stopped. I have told myself soon I will convert til this day. I'm not very educated, didn't come from a loving family, so I have been very intimated. I watched the video today which shows about the church and noticed some women wearing makeup! Now I know to convert I have to give it all up no matter what the world thinks. So how can Pack share about a women that walked in with makeup and made leave, then allow it in a video showing about the church? I then started typing in just that question. And this is what I see. I just can't stop thinking of Revolutions! And, how sad and alone I feel. I dream about following God, and wanting to be faithful forever, and hope the same for my family. To have so much power like he does. ...it sounds like he is lost in that. To show his weakness is what I hope for. I fail as a mom alot,and hope my kids don't hate me and more so God! Forgive me, so much is going through my head right now. I have not had it easy my whole life, but always felt watched over. I hope I can find someone to look up to, that can give me and my family help and friendship. We have pushed away both sides of our family and friends because we Want better, even though we fail, we try. Please pray for us! I want to say I'll pray for you but always have a feeling I'm not worthy enough to pray, or feel like I'm being religious. Heather Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01125808649055221002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70316542250496114302014-01-26T17:31:45.361-08:002014-01-26T17:31:45.361-08:00Dave Pack is an idiot..THE END!Dave Pack is an idiot..THE END!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814413634365385083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35329841869888272432014-01-23T11:06:58.509-08:002014-01-23T11:06:58.509-08:00I wrote that letter in September of 2000. I must ...I wrote that letter in September of 2000. I must give Dave Pack some of the credit for the fact that I no longer hold on to what was then sincerely held beliefs. One benefit from my experiences with Pack is that my children have been spared having to be raised in a fear inducing religion. They are happy, intelligent, law abiding, caring individuals who have empathy for others. I am proud of them!<br /><br />I have never in my life encountered someone as despicable as Pack. Hopefully never will again. He takes sincere people and uses them up, and spits them out, without a shred of concern about how he destroys peoples lives. I feel sorry for those he has convinced to liquidate their savings and pull big triggers and send it all in to him. He is all about money, always has been, always will be. Money appears to be his God. <br /><br />It is very telling that he demands that his contributors have absolutely no say in how he spends their money. I would bet that it is safe to say that he still uses only a fraction of third tithe he collects from trusting contributors in a manner that they would approve of!<br /><br />I have since recovered from my interactions with him, and rarely give him much thought. I am sure he thinks of me a hundred times more than I ever think of him. Looking at his web site I see he mentions me without naming me, and tries to defame me through innuendo. He apparently can't help himself. He is too egotistical.<br /><br />I see how he has declared himself an Apostle, and see the failed prophesy that he made last fall. He can add false Apostle and false prophet to his resume now! I wonder what entertaining wackiness his mind will come up with next?<br /><br />Thomas MunsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75611925293169238572014-01-23T05:23:52.679-08:002014-01-23T05:23:52.679-08:00Tom Munson sold his coin shop to move to Ohio to w...Tom Munson sold his coin shop to move to Ohio to work for Dave. I imagine Dave hired him because he liked the coin shop concept.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40863213089688944292014-01-22T13:43:18.915-08:002014-01-22T13:43:18.915-08:00Powerful letter. But how old is it? There's no...Powerful letter. But how old is it? There's no mention of Pack's recent prophetic mishap, so the time period would provide some valuable context.Silencehttp://silenced.conoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34995722505434277362014-01-22T11:14:07.572-08:002014-01-22T11:14:07.572-08:00Anonymous says, "He is a proven liar, a thief...Anonymous says, "He is a proven liar, a thief, a con man, no remorse, no compassion or mercy in the person, a deceiver, a total control freak, self absorbed to the highest degree." Well, what can you expect? Certainly not fruit of the spirit. Has anyone heard many sermons on the Fruit of the Spirit? Unheard of in WCG. Or maybe I wasn't paying attention in the Pasadena AC gymnasium on Friday night. All I remember is HWA going back to Gen 1 and bohu and tohu. My word . . . . What a bore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85527945755658768582014-01-22T08:35:31.037-08:002014-01-22T08:35:31.037-08:00Dennis writes,
"Tom Munson and I have become...Dennis writes, <br /><i>"Tom Munson and I have become friends over the past couple years and he is exactly who he says he is. A man of principle who gave Dave more than most if not all. Tom has now become rather agnostic through it all and we share some very good topics of conversation. He is also has a kick ass sense of humor."</i><br /><br />That's good news, Dennis, and it's great to hear he has a "kick ass sense of humor" - I'm sure it has and will serve Mr. Munson well!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87976835781041385292014-01-22T07:58:58.884-08:002014-01-22T07:58:58.884-08:00This letter and the Don Tiger letter were posted o...This letter and the Don Tiger letter were posted on an über conservative COG Yahoo group. They did not have dates attached. They are not "new."<br />NO2HWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55082713467181497022014-01-22T06:59:20.198-08:002014-01-22T06:59:20.198-08:00Standing Ovation to Tom Munson!!!
When will the d...Standing Ovation to Tom Munson!!!<br /><br />When will the dumb sheep in all WCG splinters wake up?<br /><br />If you can't acknowledge logic and reason because of a lifetime investment, then listen to Herbert Armstrong's own words recorded various times on tape in his final years. "The Work" ended with HWA. <br /><br />No need to waste money, time and effort on Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, felon Ron Weinland, Ramrod Meredith, etc.<br /><br />Heck, I saw a video clip on You Tube of The World Tomorrow with HWA filmed in the 1980s where HWA stated something to the effect that "if these things don't come to pass in the next 15 years and Christ doesn't return, then you know I was preaching a false message". <br /><br />RichardLake of Fire Church of Godnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77244115006321231442014-01-22T04:09:58.426-08:002014-01-22T04:09:58.426-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53564157144972925832014-01-22T04:09:56.286-08:002014-01-22T04:09:56.286-08:00The specific drama occurred back in 2000 ish but d...The specific drama occurred back in 2000 ish but does well represent decades of mindset and I am sure thas has been more of the same over the recent years. <br /><br />Here is an old page with many similar conflicts and drama ridden experiences with RCG<br /><br />http://www.cogwriter.com/sheppard.htmDennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72802959607403342592014-01-22T02:05:19.000-08:002014-01-22T02:05:19.000-08:00I cant understand why anyone would follow David Pa...I cant understand why anyone would follow David Pack or even believe he is a Christian. He is a proven liar, a thief, a con man, no remorse, no compassion or mercy in the person, a deceiver, a total control freak, self absorbed to the highest degree etc etc. I truly feel sorry fo his employees who will soon find themselves out of a job, hopefully they are looking now for another one while they are still working. One thing though, he has made things interesting lately, but at the same time showed what kind of person he really is. I don't wish him ill but he will soon be finished, I hope he is still able to repent, but will he?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49718841183090827162014-01-21T23:23:42.409-08:002014-01-21T23:23:42.409-08:00Holy guacamole! What a letter.
Sounds like the im...Holy guacamole! What a letter.<br />Sounds like the implosion of RCG may yet precede that of COGaic...<br />Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44083960875521507032014-01-21T20:55:55.901-08:002014-01-21T20:55:55.901-08:00Yeah, what's the date? A lot of things on her...Yeah, what's the date? A lot of things on here should be dated. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31979906061768540672014-01-21T20:18:57.817-08:002014-01-21T20:18:57.817-08:00What is the date of the letter?What is the date of the letter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62134600672858529262014-01-21T19:36:57.709-08:002014-01-21T19:36:57.709-08:00Tom Munson and I have become friends over the past...Tom Munson and I have become friends over the past couple years and he is exactly who he says he is. A man of principle who gave Dave more than most if not all. Tom has now become rather agnostic through it all and we share some very good topics of conversation. He is also has a kick ass sense of humorDennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43613767934435647892014-01-21T19:09:57.702-08:002014-01-21T19:09:57.702-08:00I comment Mr. Munson for being a principled man wh...I comment Mr. Munson for being a principled man who is willing to start over after being cruelly used and deceived. I can't share his faith that any god is going to help him through this, since no such god exists as far as I'm now concerned. Our foolish belief in that non-existent entity is what got us all in the mess to begin with. All that being said, I sympathize with his predicament and hope for the best in his future.Allen C. Dexterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06615706118359802452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6349060458302222162014-01-21T18:11:08.009-08:002014-01-21T18:11:08.009-08:00The Munson letter is indeed a classic. It is also ...The Munson letter is indeed a classic. It is also tragic. Dave Pack's history is sordid at best.<br /><br />Jameshttp://hwarmstrong.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14275952641623505542014-01-21T18:09:38.224-08:002014-01-21T18:09:38.224-08:00This is interesting because it is first person tes...This is interesting because it is first person testimony, and illustrative of the true character of Dave Pack. It very nicely compliments the testimony which Dennis has shared. We have, it seems, multiple witnesses, positively confirming the type of individual David C. Pack in reality is.<br /><br />That said, it, and Dixon Cartwright's article are dated. This is stuff which happened almost 15 years ago, though I am certain that the pain caused by Dave's actions has had a persistent, long term effect on those involved. We know that Tom has survived, and occasionally comments here. But, what has happened in the life of Don Tiger? Normally, my sentiments would be against anyone attempting to preserve anything whatsoever from HWA, but Dave Pack is the worst offender here, having gone after Don Tiger the dirty way. Does anyone know if Don survived what had to be an ACOG induced maelstrom in his life???<br /><br />Also, Pack's membership was only in the three figures at the time these events transpired, and shrinking at that! We've heard current numbers of 1,700 bantered about. Does anyone really know the current size of RCG?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com