tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post2067232924344248623..comments2024-03-28T01:47:50.775-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Self-Appointed COG Prophet Claims To Know Everything About AtheistsNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75141637363817178152018-07-14T23:10:39.080-07:002018-07-14T23:10:39.080-07:00Whoops Brahman.
Atman would be aryan for atmen ( ...Whoops Brahman.<br /><br />Atman would be aryan for atmen ( german breathing)<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-591001918247943382018-07-14T22:59:50.852-07:002018-07-14T22:59:50.852-07:00Yes yes.
The Vedas speak of atoms and energy.
Hi...Yes yes.<br /><br />The Vedas speak of atoms and energy.<br /><br />Hinduism is mistaken for having many gods.<br /><br />There is only one atman though and manifestations of atman.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82589703027612748422018-07-14T15:47:30.150-07:002018-07-14T15:47:30.150-07:00Was it the panentheism, nck?
BBWas it the panentheism, nck?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72142703141786309802018-07-14T12:12:16.692-07:002018-07-14T12:12:16.692-07:005:25
We know for sure BB came to some Hindu Budhi...5:25<br /><br />We know for sure BB came to some Hindu Budhist conclusions on the nature of God, which must be conceptually true, but are not discussed in christian theology. Therefore my point that young Jesus working in Sephoris with his father must have been talking to traders from the East and Hoehism (what thai) was not an abberation in early Christian thought at all.<br /><br />It is people like 3:14 that make consider the value of christianity at times, although personally I am only able to jump the lions den or smolthering ovens when this other figure not being sadrech or abednecho talks to me first and face to face. Not one minute earlier and not by any other witnessing to me that it happened to him. <br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8187691682517546142018-07-14T05:25:55.861-07:002018-07-14T05:25:55.861-07:00Dennis: If you are only dealing with the Bible go...Dennis: If you are only dealing with the Bible god, however you may define that god, you cannot claim to be an atheist or even an agnostic. You might be able to wear the mantle of an anti-Christian. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62946480166267005182018-07-13T23:01:04.066-07:002018-07-13T23:01:04.066-07:00Want to see evidence of real time evolution, 7:28?...Want to see evidence of real time evolution, 7:28? Try antibiotic-resistant gonorrhea, tuberculosis, mrsa, or AIDS.<br /><br />As goes awareness, there is a deep synergy, a sensing of vibrations and wavelengths amongst the created. Your philodendron may not be aware of Terminators Skynet, (I'm sure you were being facetious) if that's what floats your boat, but most likely thrives in your livingroom if you enjoy Strauss waltzes rather than Beethoven or Black Sabbath.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79211312279279128562018-07-13T20:46:38.711-07:002018-07-13T20:46:38.711-07:00NEO, I'm only dealing with the Bible God for n...NEO, I'm only dealing with the Bible God for now. Everyone knows Voltron exists.Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17266112796114131485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49589126074693651342018-07-13T19:28:04.046-07:002018-07-13T19:28:04.046-07:00So living organisms have become self aware like th...So living organisms have become self aware like the Terminators Skynet, and are now improving their own design. Where's the proof? Oh, it's just blind faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41446006976348089272018-07-13T19:26:59.023-07:002018-07-13T19:26:59.023-07:00"...illogical to be an atheist", "G..."...illogical to be an atheist", "God’s existence is logical" - statements <i>never</i> made by <i>Spock</i>Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31203128863047111212018-07-13T18:18:28.674-07:002018-07-13T18:18:28.674-07:00Dennis wrote:
"I consider myself to be athei...Dennis wrote:<br /><br />"I consider myself to be atheist because of knowing the Bible very well which seems to be one of the routes taken towards waking up to the reality of Biblical origins and composition." <br /><br />How does disproving only the Christian God make you an atheist? Isn't it possible that there is another God that you know nothing about? Maybe you have jumped the gun. <br /><br />Your attack on the Bible is based on a model of what the Bible is that you have presumed. Instead of understanding some of the flaws of your model and seeking to revise it, you have retained it as a fixed concept so you can have an easy target for debate. This is like people who believe in BI and will never let that go. For them the world must revolve around their concept of BI. <br /><br />I think you should read Venema's book and come back with the arguments against. <br /><br />People who believe in Christianity have a significant commonality of belief. People who are atheists are atheists in different ways and for different reasons and display different behaviors. <br /><br />Atheism is one of the easiest things for God to fix - and he will fix it when it suits him. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18008864123301729362018-07-13T18:01:42.910-07:002018-07-13T18:01:42.910-07:00Anon9:06AM wrote:
"There is absolutely no ev...Anon9:06AM wrote:<br /><br />"<i>There is absolutely no evidence or proof of a mechanism whereby things design or upgrade themselves.</i>"<br /><br />Well, it sure is a good thing then that evolution is not a process that "designs" or "upgrades" anything. Life just adapts to fill niches. Liquids aren't guided by some kind of intelligence, but they do the exact same thing. Funny how water adapts to perfectly fill the exact shape of a pothole, no matter how complex that shape might be. How does it know how to do this? Amazing! Water is so intelligent.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47043624057026502322018-07-13T16:09:29.904-07:002018-07-13T16:09:29.904-07:00Like you, Dennis, I have become an atheist because...Like you, Dennis, I have become an atheist because I know the Bible and history very well. It's an unending study with me. I'm only interested in facts, not suppositions and dogmatic statements based on nothing but "faith." All those sureties of the past turned out to be just so much speculation that never panned out. yet, they're hung onto tenaciously. Those interpretations of the stupidest book in the whole mess, Revelation, just won't go away. We're afflicted yet today by some idiots nightmare or mad mind wanderings.Allen Dexternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75821209434776713752018-07-13T16:07:17.604-07:002018-07-13T16:07:17.604-07:00There you have it folks! It has just been proven ...There you have it folks! It has just been proven to us through inanimate objects made from metal, stone, plastic and wood that living things composed of cells cannot mutate, morph, or evolve! <br /><br />You’re a cartoon, 9:06!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27338973205809108492018-07-13T15:14:54.208-07:002018-07-13T15:14:54.208-07:00"Correct, One can't prove God does not ex...<i> "Correct, One can't prove God does not exist but that is not my responsibility. Too bad any actual God goes to so little effort to prove that he/she/it exists either"</i><br /><br />Oh my. This comment blew me away. Because, in my view, the proving of God's existence is absolutely everywhere and in everything. It's a mind-blowing intelligence far beyond human rational thinking or reason to even begin to comprehend. <br /><br />I have a textbook on biology I look at just for fun. I'm not a biologist, though I am very skilled at science. The smallest, tiniest, inconceivable motorized cellular life form that exists is absolutely unfathomable in it's intricate circuitry. And the precision - the enormous precision - that it takes for billions of such intricate designed cellular life forms within a life form is mindblowing. And, this is just one example of what are literally zillions. <br /><br />So why is my take different than your take? We're both humans. We both have the same eyes and mind. We both see the same colors, and speak and think the same language. I am no different than you. My make up is no different than yours. I am NOT better in any way shape or form than you are, I do NOT consider myself any more of a person than you or you any less than a person than me. Why is it that we have come to such radically different conclusions? We both see, feel, sense, taste, and touch the same world. We both piss and poop the same way. We both probably snore, and we both probably say the same word when we stub our toe. We're both HUMAN. But we see the world totally differently. It's such an enigma! <br /><br />I think it's just what life's experience has individually led us to our own opinions. Regardless of the fact of what you do see or what you do not see, or what I see and what I do not see, there are some things that I believe we have in common. <br /><br />1. We both love to have fun. <br />2. We both are in awe of the colors of the sky.<br />3. We both are in awe of the smells and tastes of our world. <br />4. We both love a good, hearty laugh. <br />5. We both love to learn. <br />6. We all want to love and be loved. <br />7. We all seek only what the truth is, whatever, and whoever, that is. <br /><br />So in my thinking, taking time to see what we all have in common, whether believers or unbelievers, can lead us to see that if we look past all of the crap that swirls in the toilet of life, there are a few things that are always constants. And if we look at the constants - there's nothing that can stop us from getting along in the unity of what we have in common, and not what we don't. We'll never be able to convince each other of what we perceive as a divine entity. But we will always be able to see what love in action is, and embrace it, and live it. :)<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41064003642170208772018-07-13T14:11:51.686-07:002018-07-13T14:11:51.686-07:00No one sums it up better than Jesus himself with w...No one sums it up better than Jesus himself with whitewashed tombs description.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51224987101038091302018-07-13T14:00:09.731-07:002018-07-13T14:00:09.731-07:00"I cannot prove there is a God through the an..."I cannot prove there is a God through the analysis of the material realm. Just as you and Coyne cannot disprove that there is a God through the analysis of the material realm."<br /><br />Correct, One can't prove God does not exist but that is not my responsibility. Too bad any actual God goes to so little effort to prove that he/she/it exists either. I can't prove Elves and Fairies also don't exist, unlikely as that might be in light of the evidence. However, many find all the evidence they need to believe in them as we know. Those who believe in them have a need to do so. To not believe in them would leave a terrible hole in their lives and perhaps their pocketbook. <br /><br />But one can prove the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God. One can prove the Gospels were not written by eyewitnesses and that some of the books attributed to specific authors were not written by those authors in the least. One can prove that both the Birth accounts of Jesus and more so the death stories are muddled, contradictory and in many ways cobbled together from Old Testament scriptures because no one knew anything about either much. One can prove that doctrines evolve just as life does from simple to complex over time. Of course, right now as they read this , someone is saying "You can't prove any of that," and they say it because it is too threatening to consider that you can. Therefore, you never can prove it...to them.<br /><br />Besides, each individual has to do their own homework and that others convinced them is not how it seems to work. <br /><br /><br />I consider myself to be atheist because of knowing the Bible very well which seems to be one of the routes taken towards waking up to the reality of Biblical origins and composition.<br /><br />Back to the actual topic. Bob Thiel's view on atheism is a very contrived and shallow view. But then Bob is invested as are Pack, Flurry and Weinland in being right, which they are not and time will prove this to be so. <br /><br />I also can't think of one person over the years of Banned who have changed their perspectives because of what others bring to this table. Comments range from the well thought out and sincere to WTF? While most here have moved on from any COG, the fun is seeing where they admit to having ended up. Some won't even let you know that. DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42770432684724609712018-07-13T11:26:33.977-07:002018-07-13T11:26:33.977-07:00Dennis:
I cannot prove there is a God through the...Dennis:<br /><br />I cannot prove there is a God through the analysis of the material realm. Just as you and Coyne cannot disprove that there is a God through the analysis of the material realm. (On balance, I believe the material universe is more supportive of the existence of God than against it but this does not amount to proof.) So we are at a stalemate. <br /><br />What I can tell you is that there is a model of theistic evolution that reconciles the scientific fact of evolution with the existence of God and statements of the Bible. One of the variants is found in the book "Adam and the Genome" by Venema and McKnight. <br /><br />It is a charade to pretend that evolution and belief in God are utterly opposed and contradictory. This leads only to shadow boxing. Like I said, that antiquated ship sank a long time ago. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85833112437251369862018-07-13T10:24:09.020-07:002018-07-13T10:24:09.020-07:00I agree with NEO, Coyne (like many of his theist c...I agree with NEO, Coyne (like many of his theist counterparts) presents us with false dilemma. NEO and I aren't the only Christians/theists who embrace and accept evolution as true, and the fact that we exist means that there is at least one alternative to the either/or of Coyne and his allies on one side and Fundamentalists and their allies on the other side.<br />That science and religion are "competitors" is the opinion of some (perhaps even the majority), but it is not the reality of everyone. People make the two disciplines incompatible. Evolutionary science is completely compatible with my Christian faith.<br />Evolution does NOT gnaw at my sense of self. Indeed, it is inspirational to me to contemplate the fact that I am related to all other living things.<br />I would also say that it is an opinion (not an established fact) that evolutionary forces are "blind and impersonal." Of course, we may be talking semantics here. It depends on what Coyne actually means by that statement. If he means that the principles and mechanics of evolution are universally applied to all living things, then we are in agreement. However, if he means that evolution does not favor some life forms over others and that there isn't any meaningful purpose related to those principles and mechanics which govern the process, then we are of very different opinions about what the scientific evidence demonstrates.<br />My belief in God is based on faith and logic, but I concede that it is NOT scientifically demonstrable at this time. However, if we say that science excludes the possibility of God, we are also operating outside of the realm of science (which requires open-mindedness and skepticism - in true science, certainty is always susceptible to new evidence). Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865316200703641028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60304371590639086962018-07-13T09:37:27.096-07:002018-07-13T09:37:27.096-07:00I don’t know. Smashing pumpkins said “The world i...I don’t know. Smashing pumpkins said “The world is a vampire”. Personally, I disagree. I believe that God created the universe from what some would call nothing, but it is in reality all elements of Himself. That is the only way there could be omniscience. In a very real way we can say that God is the universe and all of its processes, Creator and created. This is why observant Jewish scholars throughout the ages have been of the opinion that the concept of God is just too big and expansive for mankind to comprehend. To quantify is to limit.<br />Too bad religious teachers are frequently the chief limiters.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26397172107842875862018-07-13T09:06:50.804-07:002018-07-13T09:06:50.804-07:00I worked designing electronic equipment. I never w...I worked designing electronic equipment. I never witnessed a piece of equipment design itself, or heard of a smartphone that evolved. There is absolutely no evidence or proof of a mechanism whereby things design or upgrade themselves. Rather, external intelligent input is always required. Those embracing evolution are simply unable to exercise the independence to say no to the approval and warmth of the herd. This is like people who denied Christ because they feared being put out of the synagogue. <br />You can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, but you don't have truth on your side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8021877175803961332018-07-13T08:56:46.546-07:002018-07-13T08:56:46.546-07:00I remember a similar discussion on another blog ov...I remember a similar discussion on another blog over 10 years ago. I believe the whole generalization of "what atheists want" has to do with such a claim by <i>one</i> proponent of evolution. I'm not certain, but it may have been Thomas Huxley ("Darwin's Bulldog") who spoke of a life free from morals.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13458417342598584762018-07-13T08:44:13.378-07:002018-07-13T08:44:13.378-07:00NEO notes: "Evolution is simply true,,,,, It ...NEO notes: "Evolution is simply true,,,,, It is a tool God used to manage the flora and fauna of the earth. The Bible doesn't contain a Darwinian treatise because that is not what the Bible is about. This is not rocket science."<br /><br />Evolution is indeed true. Details always to follow. You can't possibly know, however, that it is "a tool God used...." One can say that but it can never be proven unless a Deity comes along and says "Yes I did!", without the middlemen of course. That is the kind of connection religion tries to make with science for the credibility Coyne is speaking of. <br /><br />By religion Coyne simply means the belief in gods and the theology that goes with it no matter the specific Hebrew, Islamic, Christian or any other belief, twist or spin that allows for the possibility that, while unlikely, Elves are responsible for all we see and give us our purpose. <br /><br />DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74586034300473742202018-07-13T07:13:45.091-07:002018-07-13T07:13:45.091-07:00What does Coyne mean by "religion". Is ...What does Coyne mean by "religion". Is he talking about Buddhism? Shintoism? Druidism? It would help if he were clearer. <br /><br />Evolution is not incompatible with Christianity. That ship already sank. The fact that there are many Christians who do not understand this is a matter of progressive education. <br /><br />Disbelief in evolution as a critique of the Christian faith is the equivalent of the "God of the Gaps" arguments. Sort of an "Atheism of the Gaps." It works well until it goes away. Disbelief in evolution by Christians will eventually go away. <br /><br />Evolution is simply true. Several denominations endorse it. It is a tool God used to manage the flora and fauna of the earth. The Bible doesn't contain a Darwinian treatise because that is not what the Bible is about. This is not rocket science. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40369221384530962212018-07-13T06:07:52.801-07:002018-07-13T06:07:52.801-07:00There's a major flaw in Bob Thiels prophesys a...There's a major flaw in Bob Thiels prophesys and his accompanying self appointed role of modern day prophet. Bob believes that God, like the Gestapo ministers, is micro managing peoples lives. That is, the ACOG ministers have God in their image. Hence Donald Trump and others are identified in the Bible. In reality God is a God of self responsibility and freedom (from other men). It's inherent in the parable of the talents. Hence the details of the future are determined by people, not some control freak god. <br />Other than Gods masterplan, the future is mostly unknown, and doesn't need to be known.<br />No Bob the illuminator of the near future is required. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88206317240255340262018-07-13T06:03:03.881-07:002018-07-13T06:03:03.881-07:00There's a major flaw in Bob Thiels prophesys a...There's a major flaw in Bob Thiels prophesys and his accompanying self appointed role of modern day prophet. Bob believes that God, like the Gestapo ministers, is micro managing peoples lives. That is, the ACOG ministers have God in their image. Hence Donald Trump and others are identified in the Bible. In reality God is a God of self responsibility and freedom (from other men). It's inherent in the parable of the talents. Hence the details of the future are determined by people, not some control freak god. <br />Other than Gods masterplan, the future is mostly unknown, and doesn't need to be known.<br />No Bob the illuminator of the near future is required. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com