tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post2357308736501691480..comments2024-03-28T22:34:16.707-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: The Church of God Spanking TentsNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71288479730482134002021-06-03T06:33:55.412-07:002021-06-03T06:33:55.412-07:00Where you there to confirm that they were not ther...Where you there to confirm that they were not there? I've seen MANY witnesses attest to them being there! Maybe it was before your time or as a member. Nadi Maehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00784892931983260030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88969363135627745552021-06-03T06:27:58.842-07:002021-06-03T06:27:58.842-07:00Where you there to confirm that? Where you there to confirm that? Nadi Maehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00784892931983260030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7336499387288545462020-07-09T03:37:57.448-07:002020-07-09T03:37:57.448-07:00A little(!!!) girl is testing you, her parents, in...A little(!!!) girl is testing you, her parents, in order to make sure you love and accept her as a person which can be spoken to and negotiating with...and you failed!<br /><br />But, she doesn´t give up; she tests you several times...and you fail again and again.<br /><br />You seem not being aware of this perspective and probably you don`t approve of it because that`s the easy way out.<br /><br />The day she stops testing you the big problems start! By that time she has almost no faith in you whatsoever...<br /><br />Don´t you think that every child has the right to feel safe at home? That can´t happen if she always is in danger of being beaten with a hard hairbrush or paddle etc.<br /><br />Your duty is to protect the child from such abuse!<br /><br />And yes, I have great experience from negotiating with kids of all ages. I have never spanked any child and never lied to them and of cause never grounded a child because that is potentially socially disabling! They simply need interaction with other people!<br />You are creating more problems than you (don`t!) solve!<br />Show compassion and respect and you will get it back from the child, multiplied!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29738932675428795452019-01-11T12:55:42.912-08:002019-01-11T12:55:42.912-08:00In 1961 I went to the Feast of Tabernacles in Glad...In 1961 I went to the Feast of Tabernacles in Gladewater Texas, with my father. He wasn't in the church so he chose to sit in the car when I went into services. He saw children taken out and spanked in the back of the building. He told me that was wrong. I didn't agree with him, at the time. I was young and brainwashed,and thought spanking children was God's will. <br />Ten years latter I had my own children. For a very short time I spanked my first born child. Then I decided it was wrong. I stopped the spanking. I got my wife to agree to not spank.Kept it as secret,from the other church members. Then we got a new minister named Mr. Pack. He was a mean bastard. He kind of opened my eyes about how wrong the whole church was. So I walked out of that church and never looked back. Best decision of my life!Robert Stantonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17593215266436896054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39555348596154252732018-01-10T12:06:09.270-08:002018-01-10T12:06:09.270-08:00PTSD definitely sticks with you to a certain degre...PTSD definitely sticks with you to a certain degree. Depression and paranoia as well. But, one learns to compartmentalize and to employ workarounds. It’s not unlike the example of the film “A Beautiful Mind”.<br /><br />Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14984276590247620092018-01-10T11:43:36.264-08:002018-01-10T11:43:36.264-08:00My mother would buy those souvenir paddles at gift...My mother would buy those souvenir paddles at gift shops during the feast, the ones marked "Board of Education." For any reason she'd make us lay on the bed and she'd hit us until she felt we cried in all sincerity. The last time I got hit, it was in the kitchen, for a "look on my face." I was 16, and she broke a handled breadboard on my back. My brother was beaten with a souvenir carved palm frond called "wife beater" for double locking the storm door while the step father was out walking the dog. He did not know he was out at the time, and had been screamed at for NOT locking the storm door a week before. Yes, good times at my house! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62014035255452358292018-01-10T11:31:44.217-08:002018-01-10T11:31:44.217-08:00I clearly remember either 1963 or 64 in Jekyll Isl...I clearly remember either 1963 or 64 in Jekyll Island there was a woman who constantly beat her toddler outside the tent on the ocean side at a park bench. She would wail on the baby, rhythmically, over and over and over like torture until I think it was GTA or another higher -up minister announced that she had to stop it immediately. I was like 9 or 10 and I can clearly remember hearing it during the quiet time during the sermon. In the 60's I do not remember a spanking tent at Jekyll, but certainly in the Poconos the Mothers room WAS used for spankings. There was a stop to it when I think someone alerted the CPS and women were told not to use the room to discipline kids. Several of them, I saw would take their kids out into the woods to do it. Most members who did not have kids would never have a reason to venture to the back of the facility so would not witness the punishments. They DID happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21892970158277229192018-01-10T03:44:42.847-08:002018-01-10T03:44:42.847-08:009.33 PM
If you lose your arm, it doesn't grow ...9.33 PM<br />If you lose your arm, it doesn't grow back. Likewise the psychological damage from abuse is permanent as well. There is no 'overcoming' or healing. The main street media constantly mentions healing after a horrific crime. But it's a myth. The damage remains until the victims death. <br />This frequent mentioning of 'healing' is this cultures partiality to evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18993564130104809972018-01-09T21:33:11.520-08:002018-01-09T21:33:11.520-08:00When someone says "It didn't happen"...When someone says "It didn't happen" it just means that it didn't happen to them.<br />I never experienced any of that madness, thankfully, but it is gut-wrenching to read the stories of those who did. I certainly don't think the accounts are all lies. I admire the courage that it takes to tell and relive such painful memories, and to overcome the psychological damage inflicted.<br />Don't try to minimize someone else's reality just because it's different than yours.Still Learningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38158659076126413312018-01-09T21:30:22.608-08:002018-01-09T21:30:22.608-08:00It's always been my belief that the churches i...It's always been my belief that the churches incessant 'beat your children' teaching was the ministers attempt to condition the youth to accept being mistreated by the ministers later in life. <br />The church culture has always been one of changing the environment (ie other people) so that church tyrants don't have to change. It's the victims, not the aggressors that need to change. Such is Armstrongite culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40495339072023286432018-01-09T19:55:35.710-08:002018-01-09T19:55:35.710-08:00Actually, I’ve talked myself out on this topic ove...Actually, I’ve talked myself out on this topic over the years, paid for some excellent counselling and therapy years ago, out of my own pocket, and have largely succeeded in breaking the evil cycle. It is a joy listening to my son reason with and mentor to his daughters, educating and building up rather than savagely beating them.<br /><br />The past abuse of children in the Armstrong cults is another huge problem, that church members treat in the same way as they treat HWA’s incest. They deny it, attempt to sweep it under the rug, and insist that anyone who remembers it or talks about it is lying. We lived it, and are not lying about it.<br /><br />This horrible child abuse is proof positive that parents did not get the Holy Spirit through Armstrongism. They couldn’t have, or they would have died at the stake or other martyr’s deaths as Christians have throughout the past 2,000 years in resisting various other sins and evils commanded by authority figures. It’s not just that this makes their church look bad. It proves that God had nothing to do with their church in the first place.<br /><br />BB<br />Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4119485661385320442018-01-09T14:27:47.847-08:002018-01-09T14:27:47.847-08:00Yep.
It was on the airwaves everyday and preached...Yep.<br /><br />It was on the airwaves everyday and preached every week. <br /><br />Thou shalt beat thy child 3 times a day and if they do not hearken and submit thou shalt throw them through glass.<br /><br />So it was written.<br /><br />There is a huge difference between acknowledging that this type of poor parenting existed in especially the US churches as a cultural phenomenon in a one of the only countries that to this day has not signed the international apropriate treaties on such behavior. <br /><br />Or saying that each and every parent behaved this way to become a deacon or whatever.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65402201410528630152018-01-09T13:33:32.289-08:002018-01-09T13:33:32.289-08:00Disciplining a child in love and in the right way ...Disciplining a child in love and in the right way is a good thing. Disciplining a child to make a show of your personal righteousness is horrific. Some will say that the OT supported a energetic and vigorous approach to disciplining. The OT also spoke of the Phoenicians - a branch of the much despised Canaanites that Armstrongists erroneously believe to be Black people. Genetic research demonstrates that they were actually of the same stock as the Jews and one would not be able to distinguish between a Jew and a Canaanite by eye. <br /><br />The Phoenicians had a religion in which they sacrificed their children publicly in order to placate their Gods, ensure the harvest and demonstrate their religions zeal. Select children were burned alive as drums were pounded loudly to hide the screams of agony. The parents of the sacrificed were accorded high status in the community for their great sacrifice. Some might have even made the rank of deacon. <br /><br />Some Armstrongists commit the much condemned sin of the Phoenicians if they harm their children publicly in order to wave the banner of their own personal zeal and commitment. They are no better than the Phoenicians. <br /><br />David Koresh at Waco, the Millerite brother of the Armstrongists, carried out a version of this at Waco. Little children literally burned up for his personal and perverted religious zeal. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16288085696422186892018-01-09T13:03:16.468-08:002018-01-09T13:03:16.468-08:00I remember that the Feast ladies rooms served as t...I remember that the Feast ladies rooms served as torture chambers for children. I also saw kids bent over the bumpers of cars in the parking lots at Feasts being beaten. It's sad how brainwashed people would like to rewrite and whitewash history and claim it didn't happen. In countless WCG homes (including mine and friends of mine), the HWA/GTA inspired torture was horrific.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72047112013493463012018-01-09T12:10:52.045-08:002018-01-09T12:10:52.045-08:00Talking of spanking, in the old Soviet Union, if o...Talking of spanking, in the old Soviet Union, if one disagreed with communism, one was punished by being labeled mentally ill and sent to a psychiatrist hospital.<br />Herb copied this ploy by labeling whomever disagreed with him as unconverted, 'not getting it,' or not having the holy spirit.<br />This form of adult spanking is still rampant in the XCOGs.<br /><br />It's these ministers rather than the accused members who belong in a padded cell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-1795576067733643252018-01-09T08:36:45.841-08:002018-01-09T08:36:45.841-08:00A comparison: Before Radio Church of God: occasi...A comparison: Before Radio Church of God: occasional isolated spankings, two of which I remember. During Radio Church of God: 2 or 3 pants down spankings per day of 40 strokes with belts, spatulas, switches, and bitbat paddles. Copious amounts of tabasco sauce, forced fastings. This regime literally continued right up until the day before I got on the airliner for Ambassador College. Based on the extreme anger displayed by my parents, I didn’t think that the Holy Spirit took when they got baptized. But the church did. Dad was elevated from deacon to local elder shortly thereafter. <br /><br />Oh well, at least I didn’t get thrown through a plate glass window like my younger brother, or threatened with Vietnam for buying a stereo like my other brother.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57358268413573302492018-01-09T07:33:40.880-08:002018-01-09T07:33:40.880-08:00Maybe 1973 Jekyll Island coincided with a reissue ...Maybe 1973 Jekyll Island coincided with a reissue of GTAs book.RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87501570364056621332018-01-09T05:38:46.903-08:002018-01-09T05:38:46.903-08:00Either I wasn’t paying attention or the church are...Either I wasn’t paying attention or the church area I attended didn’t have a problem with disciplining children. I can only remember our local minister warning parents that they and their children aren’t to mess around with things in our rented premises, which was a boy’s club. And there was a warning by our minister that he believed teenagers had been committing fornication at our FOT sock-hop. But I wasn't aware of extreme cases spanking and other disciplinary measures.<br /><br />Not to say that other areas didn’t have problems: remember the <a href="http://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2017/07/richard-armstrong-and-church-of-god.html" rel="nofollow">letter</a> from Dick Armstrong.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78163370200475313442018-01-09T01:17:15.052-08:002018-01-09T01:17:15.052-08:00Wouldn't it be justice if those spanking bats ...Wouldn't it be justice if those spanking bats were used on the ministers. They certainly deserve it. Well, at least I can day dream. Dave Pack would have to be head of the line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34738053903784316792018-01-09T00:05:52.465-08:002018-01-09T00:05:52.465-08:00There is plenty of testimony of people who got spa...There is plenty of testimony of people who got spanked at home. There was no "spanking room" never nowhere, of course this was the "mothers room." <br /><br />Childrearing is viewed differently today from the golden '50's years luckily.<br />Some speak about their experiences as small kids others as teenagers.<br />The fact of the matter is that in the fifties most young mothers were still teenagers themselves.<br /><br />For a scientific view of all this one could google "desi arnaz spanking lucy" and look at the pictures popping up. Such picture would probably end any media career at the golden globes today. At the time it was pretty recognizable and therefore funny. <br /><br />I'll save you all the statistics and legalities of the phenomenon (of both wife and children spanking) in the fifties although they offer interesting perspective.<br /><br />I'm just satisfied that today science has increased in knowledge regarding less forcefull child rearing.<br />And I'm sure people from different walks of life still have varying interpretations.<br /><br />nck <br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-92088245573390175342018-01-08T21:37:42.985-08:002018-01-08T21:37:42.985-08:00Is your child crying for no reason? Give 'em o...Is your child crying for no reason? Give 'em one! It's the "godly" way!<br /><br />A) All respectable parents in 1950's America "knew" the only way to raise them "properly" included a regular regimen of regular "corporal punishment."<br /><br />B) 1950's America was the nexus in human history in which human culture and the culture of god's future kingdom just happened to line up "perfectly"... (except for christmas, easter, halloween, the Korean war, the cold war, everyone smoked, the birth of the devil's music (rock'n'roll)...)<br /><br />C) Therefore, all "godly" parenting includes a regular regimen of regular "corporal punishment."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13123865735907280302018-01-08T21:06:30.370-08:002018-01-08T21:06:30.370-08:00Speaking of spanking . . The Armstrongism SongSpeaking of spanking . . <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krCA-9gkPak/" rel="nofollow">The Armstrongism Song</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27240832363818526882018-01-08T20:17:22.302-08:002018-01-08T20:17:22.302-08:00"I can not imagine a man being so weak and in..."I can not imagine a man being so weak and insecure that he would have to spank his wife, as he bragged about doing many times."<br /><br />What does weak and insecure got to do with it? Duh. Stop projecting. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81551240380539242862018-01-08T20:15:28.453-08:002018-01-08T20:15:28.453-08:00I'm glad I got spanked when I was a kid. Didn...I'm glad I got spanked when I was a kid. Didn't do me any harm. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17401468494581472062018-01-08T20:12:08.237-08:002018-01-08T20:12:08.237-08:00Well, I’m sure that Hitler didn’t call the showers...Well, I’m sure that Hitler didn’t call the showers in his concentration camps “the gas chamber”, either. But you have to look at what really went on in there.<br /><br />The “Mother’s Room”, or “Mother’s Tent” came into being as a public relations device. In the early days, parents were horsewhipping their children over the hoods and fenders of their cars, in the parking lot at the Feast of Tabernacles where members of the non-cultic public could plainly see them. The ministry felt that that appeared to tarnish the good name of the church, so moved all such church-approved activities to a more private setting. In the old WCG, being in 100% control of your family put you on the fast track for ordination as a deacon, deaconess, President of Spokesman’s Club, or local elder. Whipping one’s children earned one high grades in that direction.<br /><br />Now, it is just an urban legend that some of the abused teenagers originally called the Mothers’ Room by a slightly longer name, which was later cleaned up and shortened by the ministers. We were careful, not quite so blatant as that.<br /><br />Spankings and forced fasting generally happened in the daily lives of WCG young people randomly, and often with no rational cause or explanation, and no correllation between severity of punishment and level of offense. Generally speaking, children were not punished to instill them with good values or character. They were punished when the particular behavior interfered with the parents’ practicing of Armstrongism, or embarrassed the parents in front of the brethren.<br /><br />If people in the ACOGs are not experiencing these same deplorable conditions today, that is great. However, just because it may not be happening quite so much today, it doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen during the so-called “golden era” when HWA was still alive! It did, and is unfortunately, a part of the man’s legacy. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com