tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post2838662259484918736..comments2024-03-29T08:33:14.499-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: "You" meant them. Now what?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60801620906370285662017-12-09T11:01:03.191-08:002017-12-09T11:01:03.191-08:00Mr. Diehl,
Your conclusion of: "I speak in ...Mr. Diehl,<br /><br />Your conclusion of: "I speak in the hope that the average Christian church member won't be motivated and won't tolerate pastors who use the fear of living their real lives, planning for futures and loving in the present to promote their own misguided agendas and speculations" has already been circumvented by one pastor, apostle and church leader. This man did it by using many of the same scriptural statements that you have made here. When the heat form a few in the ministry and some members got a little hot concerning the many errors in his magnificent "Story never told", he opined in a sermon that all the apostles got it wrong and why wasn't he getting cut any slack. After the sermon concluded, a leading man in our congregation got up and said, "So, Peter got it all wrong" with a big smile on his face. In essence we where told, if you want to accuse me of error, you will have to accuse the biblical apostles as well. So the church member in this organization is left with the thinking that there is no misguided agendas on the part of the leader, only misguided thinking on the part of the member if they choose to go down the road of questioning the one. That pastor and self-appointed apostle is David C. Pack.<br /><br />What About The Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22042490281335973012017-12-09T03:15:52.147-08:002017-12-09T03:15:52.147-08:00The Lord took this drunk and through his Spirit cl...The Lord took this drunk and through his Spirit cleaned my life up. If God isn't real I would just take my life. Gerald Bronkar, it doesn't matter what you believe, you don't tell me what I can or cannot believe! I Like Halloween Candynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63894701486800965102017-12-08T20:12:14.688-08:002017-12-08T20:12:14.688-08:006.24 PM
Glad you asked Dennis. It was God who obse...6.24 PM<br />Glad you asked Dennis. It was God who observed the Agony in the garden and who eavesdropped on Pilate and his wife. He then inspired it to be in today's bible. <br />Any other questions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61258533745051813662017-12-08T19:27:39.052-08:002017-12-08T19:27:39.052-08:005.30 PM
On the cross, all the sins of mankind were...5.30 PM<br />On the cross, all the sins of mankind were placed on His shoulders. God has nothing to do with sin, so God the Father might have withdrawn emotionally or withdrawn the holy spirit from Christ.<br /><br />Sure, let's not google for other theologians opinions on scripture, since all wisdom and understanding residues in the infallible True Bread.<br />Do you fancy yourself a modern day William Tyndale?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63123678446516150692017-12-08T18:24:12.444-08:002017-12-08T18:24:12.444-08:00Since everyone was sleeping in the case of the Ago...Since everyone was sleeping in the case of the Agony in the Garden or all had fled, I wonder exactly who wrote down what occurred when no one was around to record it? And who was able to eavesdrop on Plate and his wife to get the dream for the story?<br /><br /> DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42731672132014183802017-12-08T17:30:06.966-08:002017-12-08T17:30:06.966-08:00Anonymous Anonymous said...
True Bread
Af... Anonymous Anonymous said...<br /><br /> True Bread<br /> After googling 'why have you forsaken me' it comes out that 25 translations use the word forsaken rather than your 'spared me.' Even the Aramaic in plain English translation uses the word forsaken.<br /><br /><br />1:50<br /><br />In the original Aramaic that I use, the phase is "Eli Eli lama azbatani" (AENT) I don't speak the language but have the translation, which basically breaks down to "why have you spared Me..??" or "why are you still sparing Me..??" Then He died. He never committed any sin, so in no way was He ever separated from His Father. That is HWA whack-jobbery nonsense.<br /><br />Also, in the same chapter, "generation" is translated TRIBE, which makes perfect sense. I highly recommend the Aramaic-English NT by Andrew Gabriel Roth.<br /><br />And I don't recommend Google as your source for Theology....True Breadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04630174767307245168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18158553614602158192017-12-08T17:22:44.417-08:002017-12-08T17:22:44.417-08:00Nathan Wildes said...
True Bread, so you WRON...<br />Nathan Wildes said...<br /><br /> True Bread, so you WRONGLY think that Donald Trump is the "antichrist"? I'll be praying for you, for you to come to your senses!<br /><br /><br />Nathan,<br /><br />Do you live in a cave without cable TV or the internet...?? You do realize that Trump gave a major policy speech on Jerusalem recently stating:<br /><br />1. He will move the Embassy to Jerusalem<br />2. He recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital<br />3. He emphasized repeatedly that he would achieve a peace agreement in the Middle East<br /><br />If that doesn't define the role of the antichrist (King of the North) I don't know what does. If you own a bible, you can read all about it in Daniel 9. Also, as you only took exception to my position on Trump being the AC, I conclude you agree with the rest of my post...thanks for the support.True Breadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04630174767307245168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49288388604339031622017-12-08T16:44:23.755-08:002017-12-08T16:44:23.755-08:002:32 PM, the proof is that we are still living pre...2:32 PM, the proof is that we are still living pre-tribulation in 2017 nearly 2000 years after Jesus made his prophetic statement. His prophecy failed. If that isn't proof to you, then you are a fundamentalist to the core. I hope you do die happy, with hope for more, but your Christian belief system is not real.<br /><br />I have hope for more too, but the God of your Bible is a myth. If you believe the Bible is the Word of God, you need to read more widely. God would never communicate through the written word, which can be so easily twisted, misinterpreted and misunderstood. <br /><br />If there is a loving God, he will save us all, not just a few select Christians. If you have children, it should be obvious to you.Gerald Bronkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351342089409543119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59535964985940033682017-12-08T14:32:41.253-08:002017-12-08T14:32:41.253-08:0012:33, Prove It! I would rather go to my grave hav...12:33, Prove It! I would rather go to my grave having hope than being in ignorance having no hope in anything. Even IF, there is no afterlife, for me at least I'll die happy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49938599281437570082017-12-08T13:15:21.876-08:002017-12-08T13:15:21.876-08:00Steve D said...
Dennis, just because something is ...Steve D said...<br />Dennis, just because something is said to the original disciples, does that mean that it is not also for us today? Otherwise, why would it have been recorded for us? As for bias, we are all subject to that. If I had a bad experience with a doctor doesn't mean that modern medicine is to be avoided. Likewise, just because HWA was in serious error and corrupt does not mean that Christianity, correctly understood, is. <br /><br />It depends on what is said Steve. If they are told that what he is saying is for THEM, then it's not for us. All this article points out is the fact that all that is said in the Gospels was for them. It says that over and over and over. If, because it did not happen for THEM and we must not admit that the authors were mistaken, then we can make it mean whatever we wish to keep the authors from being mistaken. The authors were simply mistaken but that does not mean to fast forward to US as if it was for US. <br /><br />When one makes those scriptures about US , that is rewriting the story to fit our needs theologically. It's done all the time of course because the Bible authors can't have been mistaken which they were.<br /><br />My views on the real origins of Christianity, the politics of it and authorship etc have NOTHING to do with HWA being wrong. My WCG experience was merely the catalyst for me to "examine the scriptures to see if these things be so." They aren't as so as I was lead to believe and I am grateful to live in a time where modern theological research is far more honest than the apologetics offered to make it all mean what it never meant. <br /><br />Had I been a Methodist Pastor, and that almost happened, I would have come to the same conclusions about the Bible. Maybe sooner but for sure.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43942084173515339842017-12-08T12:33:35.417-08:002017-12-08T12:33:35.417-08:00Good post Dennis! Too bad the Fundamentalist Chri...Good post Dennis! Too bad the Fundamentalist Christians can't read and accept Bible prophecy for the pious fraud that it is. Waiting for the "Return of Jesus" is such an illusion, and a major waste of lives. Hopefully your words may help someone start to think and reason.Gerald Bronkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351342089409543119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45036874883867604622017-12-08T09:25:04.154-08:002017-12-08T09:25:04.154-08:00Dennis, just because something is said to the orig...Dennis, just because something is said to the original disciples, does that mean that it is not also for us today? Otherwise, why would it have been recorded for us? As for bias, we are all subject to that. If I had a bad experience with a doctor doesn't mean that modern medicine is to be avoided. Likewise, just because HWA was in serious error and corrupt does not mean that Christianity, correctly understood, is. Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71385609539357735962017-12-08T08:52:17.184-08:002017-12-08T08:52:17.184-08:00Letting s little light in does not "always le...Letting s little light in does not "always lead to destruction". Encouraging it however can lead to glittering religious generalitiesDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17266112796114131485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70851595455859522132017-12-08T08:21:06.162-08:002017-12-08T08:21:06.162-08:00***Time is Short [1st century] must get Gospel Ker...<br /><b>***Time is Short [1st century] must get Gospel Kerygma to all world before ~90AD***</b><br /><br />All 'world' further away than they think [Australia]<br /><br /><b>***Must tell Australian Aboriginals Jesus is coming in a decade or two***</b><br /><br />But in the meantime - good news - they are under the New Covenant meaning it's okay to continue eating unclean kangaroos, snakes, goannas and frogs as normal (like they have been doing for the last 60,000 years) (just stop worshiping Goannas.) But be warned, in a few years the Millennium will re-institute Kosher Laws, so they will have to run cattle and sheep and celebrate the Fall-Harvest-Festival (even though there is no Fall or harvest there at that time of the year in southern hemisphere..)Minimalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07394978086891772878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2733218528210055692017-12-08T07:49:29.522-08:002017-12-08T07:49:29.522-08:00" Not by teaching to enlighten the inner self..." Not by teaching to enlighten the inner self, but live out a life of fear and "it won't be long now" and spread the fear to as many as possible, ..."<br /><br /><br />yeah yeah yeah, enlighten your inner self...in other words, do it your own way....it's been tried many times, and always leads to destruction....<br /><br />those living in fear are the ones living their lives in a manner contrary to God's instructions, doing it their own way...those who love God (biblical definition: keep His commandments) are not afraid, but look forward to His return.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34499927033840199492017-12-08T06:11:40.571-08:002017-12-08T06:11:40.571-08:00Steve D said...
My understanding of the expression...Steve D said...<br />My understanding of the expression, "This generation shall not pass" . . . refers, I believe, to the generation that experiences the events mentioned. In other words, once the tribulation starts, Jesus will return within THAT generation.<br /><br />That's the apologetic Steve for getting Gospel Jesus off the hook as time passed with no tribulation and Kingdom of God . That shift in meaning was discussed. The original quote shows clearly that Jesus was talking to those specific people at that time about events they would see and experience. <br /><br />The proof that Jesus himself meant the people he was talking to is found in the fact that the "this generation" comment is actually the tale end of a much larger, often overlooked quote taken in it's entirety.<br /><br />"So likewise YE (THEM) when YE (THEM) shall SEE ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto YOU, (THEM) THIS (THAT) generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be fulfilled." (Matt 24:33-24 emphasis mine)<br /><br />Sorry the explanation is "way long" but coming from those who are supposed to love the Bible and read it, way long as it is , strikes me as humorous. :)DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15112606257618784452017-12-08T03:59:15.993-08:002017-12-08T03:59:15.993-08:00True Bread, so you WRONGLY think that Donald Trump...True Bread, so you WRONGLY think that Donald Trump is the "antichrist"? I'll be praying for you, for you to come to your senses!Nathan Wildesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42555295809795423132017-12-08T03:48:23.402-08:002017-12-08T03:48:23.402-08:00My understanding of the expression, "This gen...My understanding of the expression, "This generation shall not pass" . . . refers, I believe, to the generation that experiences the events mentioned. In other words, once the tribulation starts, Jesus will return within THAT generation.Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86031314156213708672017-12-08T03:47:03.721-08:002017-12-08T03:47:03.721-08:00My understanding of the end time events come in pa...My understanding of the end time events come in part from Jewish culture in the time of Jesus. It is my understanding that Jesus doesn't know when he will return, only the Father. In Jewish culture, when a young man wants to propose to a young lady he approaches her with a glass of wine, a contract for marriage (a covenant) and some money. She read the contract, counts the money and if she agrees to the marriage she drinks the wine. The Lord's Supper is in a sense a renewal of our marriage contract as the bride of Christ. The young man then goes to his father's house and prepares a place for them to spend their honeymoon. Only after the father inspects the place and gives his approval does he allow the son to go get his bride (rapture). As he and his friends approaches the home of his bride they call out in a shout to warn her. Then he takes her to be with him in the house that he prepared for them. The rapture of the church is the event that takes the church to the place of safety to protect them from the tribulation. I believe that the Bible is true, but our understanding of it is oftentimes flawed. Knowing the language and culture of the time can help bring some clarity to our understanding. That's my understanding, as of now. But then again, at one time I sat at the feet of HWA and RCM at AC and thought I knew it ALL.Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43134824667447999282017-12-08T01:50:40.990-08:002017-12-08T01:50:40.990-08:00True Bread
After googling 'why have you forsak...True Bread<br />After googling 'why have you forsaken me' it comes out that 25 translations use the word forsaken rather than your 'spared me.' Even the Aramaic in plain English translation uses the word forsaken. <br /><br />Various explanations are used for Christ using these words (including reciting psalm 22:22-24) but the most common is that Christ experienced the mental pain of one separated from God by ones sins (God is far from the wicked).<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78129968276714827132017-12-07T23:30:59.019-08:002017-12-07T23:30:59.019-08:005.33 PM
If I'm going to live to see the tribul...5.33 PM<br />If I'm going to live to see the tribulation as informed by the holy spirit, it will be sooner than 2040 or 2050. Otherwise I would have died from old age. <br />The young, especially the very young have my deepest sympathy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65096835022898729952017-12-07T22:07:23.359-08:002017-12-07T22:07:23.359-08:00Gordon.
I am writing about the Jesus of the text a...Gordon.<br />I am writing about the Jesus of the text as presented in the story. That may be far different from any Jesus of history for whom there is virtually no evidence outside of the story. Even Paul's Jesus was hallucinatory and he knows of no Gospel Jesus or quotes him when it would have been helpful to his cause to do so.<br /><br />Also, Gospel accounts aren't eyewitness ones nor do they claim to be.<br /><br />The names of the Gospels were added to originally anonymous works, Mark being the basis for Matthew who copies 94% and Luke copies over half from. Copiers aren't eyewitnesses.<br /><br />Nuther storyDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17266112796114131485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8876657228946306752017-12-07T21:55:04.874-08:002017-12-07T21:55:04.874-08:00Reading the actual wordsin the text and in context...Reading the actual wordsin the text and in context is not intellectualizing them. That comes from those making them mean what they never meant by way of apologetics to explain away the now mistaken notions of the Gospels and later ApostlesDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17266112796114131485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37348315471873493292017-12-07T19:11:35.434-08:002017-12-07T19:11:35.434-08:00Preterism my friends, Presterism.Preterism my friends, Presterism.A.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77618235646397745622017-12-07T17:33:20.954-08:002017-12-07T17:33:20.954-08:00Oh my goodness, Dennis, you have this all wrong. S...Oh my goodness, Dennis, you have this all wrong. Surely as a former minister you understand that the generation referred to was the one living during World War II when Hebert Armstrong began to prophesy. The sixth reincarnation of the Roman Empire was in full swing, what with Hitler and Mussolini and all, and one more was to come. That's what Revelation 17:10 means: "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." When the penultimate reincarnation of the beast power came along (the one that IS, present tense), God had to have someone on Earth who understood that, and that someone was Herbert Armstrong. That's what Jesus was referring to when he said that this generation will not pass until all these things are fulfilled. He was referring to the generation of the World War II era, and that generation includes those who were very young at that time, some only days or weeks old. Some of those people may live to be 100 or more years old. So we are probably looking at end-time events occuring around 2040 or 2050 when that generation finally begins to pass away. You just have to put it all together and it is clear as a bell. I know all this because Herbert Armstrong and his representatives told me so. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com