tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post3350510295177296743..comments2024-03-28T01:47:50.775-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Fake News COG False Prophet Claims US Government Hates Him And His Improperly Named ChurchNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56184015702613772512018-04-15T08:06:02.736-07:002018-04-15T08:06:02.736-07:00Whinning, wailing, BobT in his own man-made-up con...Whinning, wailing, BobT in his own man-made-up continuing church of god said: "...we hold to millennial and other biblical views..."<br /><br />And that view is one of a Mickey Mouse Millennium where BobT believes, like so many, that Jesus Christ will "very soon" return to earth and reign on earth for 1,000 years, but that view is just fake news, which isn't going to happen unless Jesus Christ lied. Jesus Christ said He'd be at the Father's right hand until His enemies are made His footstool. Satan is an enemy; death is an enemy and His Father is not in Rome.<br /><br />So, BobT, hold on to your false views if you wish, but what a wasted life you have waiting for your fake news to occur!<br /><br />Whinning, wailing, BobT went on to tell us: "...So, the Bible tells of a time that will come when the word of God will not be found. And that would seem to be because it will be taken off the internet. In the 21st century, the internet is accessed by people in every country, and thus some type of internet restriction/suspension/site removal is coming–this will one day happen to the Continuing Church of God!..."<br /><br />Who cares? Just you, BobT! We know you are referring to Amos, but don't quote God's Words to us. You, yourSELF, give us a famine of the word...the words of Amos!<br /><br />Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:<br />:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.<br /><br />Bob T, the verse says that the Lord GOD will "send a famine...of hearing the words of the LORD." How will that famine be sent? There must be some purpose for doing this. It certainly would stop all of the whining and wailing of you false prophets; wouldn't it?<br /><br />There is no such famine of the word today, so what's your concern?<br /><br />Bob T, what would you do about it if you found out that that famine, for God's purpose, occurs during the time of your Mickey Mouse Millennium? What would you do about it? Would you strive to thwart it somehow? It has absolutely nothing to do with you, and the group you attend, or any of your fake prophecies, but it will happen for some period of time.<br /><br />Oh, and time will tell...<br /><br />John<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35751404466337098702018-04-13T00:28:20.754-07:002018-04-13T00:28:20.754-07:00Yeah, RSK, ol’ Adolf is probably thinking to himse...Yeah, RSK, ol’ Adolf is probably thinking to himself “But, BB, why can’t you just chill and bask in the white privilege and white paternalism? What interest do you have in this fight?”<br /><br />There are some personal matters that he would neither understand or consider important. Like my Navajo ex-wife and her family, since we’re discussing WCG beliefs regarding Native Americans. Loved them deeply, still do, and would fiercely defend them against genocide, verbally or otherwise. <br /><br />BB<br />Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52346965587983798372018-04-12T17:14:50.734-07:002018-04-12T17:14:50.734-07:00Might be single digit IQ, now that he's amply ...Might be single digit IQ, now that he's amply displayed that he doesn't actually know what the concept of white privilege is. RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35422062742040956872018-04-12T15:44:53.414-07:002018-04-12T15:44:53.414-07:00No shit, Sherlock. I’m not going to waste my time...No shit, Sherlock. I’m not going to waste my time addressing a barrage of racist and supremacist horseshit. It wouldn’t make you repent, anyway. (Flush! You gone!)<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39639635357325981852018-04-12T13:18:40.692-07:002018-04-12T13:18:40.692-07:00BB
That's not a argument or rebuttal of my poi...BB<br />That's not a argument or rebuttal of my points.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50868165424519064402018-04-12T10:48:00.512-07:002018-04-12T10:48:00.512-07:00Wow! Our race baiter has made another of his per...Wow! Our race baiter has made another of his periodic appearances,once again displaying his double digit IQ. All we can say about 8:40 is that he sure is a master baiter. Hey, Bubba, do you ever have any intelligent thoughts that would reflect decency as a human being?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39577731053575694612018-04-12T08:40:36.107-07:002018-04-12T08:40:36.107-07:00RSK
It's true that NEO did not use the term wh...RSK<br />It's true that NEO did not use the term white privilege. Rather he described it in his railings. For instance, how dare a 'whitey' girl go to AC and find a good husband. Oh the horror of it, as if NEO doesn't try to get the most from his money when he goes to a supermarket. And this white girl didn't give recognition to porter NEO. Unbelievable? Boy, how privileged and spoilt is that. And that the students at AC should get precedence for the tennis courts (the ones who paid for the land, construction, upkeep) over a bell hop or cleaner. Oh, what's the world coming to. It's all white privilege. <br /><br />NEOs north American Indian culture has historically been extremely egalitarian. Group pressure was used, including murder, to keep members at the same lowly level. NEO should look at the log in the eye of his own culture rather than complain of being abused by whitey. And the nature of this 'abuse?' Why people at AC rejected NEOs egalitarianism and believed in 'you reap what you sow.' Hence bell hops and porters and cleaners have a loser status than paying students.<br /><br />If NEO reads the bible, he will find the Christ said that the master is greater than the servant, hence endorsing 'white privilege.' He also said that the chief seat belongs to the chief giver, so status should be based on service to others. So no one is being swindled and there is in fact no privilege, white or otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54884181985317235942018-04-11T21:48:27.196-07:002018-04-11T21:48:27.196-07:00BB 8:30
No one of course!
Just to show that nowa...BB 8:30<br /><br />No one of course!<br /><br />Just to show that nowadays it takes 35 seconds to see that old NEO is concocting personal theories on otherwise valid topics regarding armstrongism. <br /><br />RSK. That canaanite malta usa thing seemed to be about the natives although there was plenty on tiras japheth, but as I said I only took 35 seconds to find and scan the article and saw Hoehs strong condemnation of the worst of racists and his political concerns concerning order and structure versus chaos and rebellion, rather than racial. That theme is as old as mankind.<br /><br />Nck <br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53409363893970851552018-04-11T20:30:45.092-07:002018-04-11T20:30:45.092-07:00What person in their right mind would actually go ...What person in their right mind would actually go back and reread all of the garbage in every article in the old Plain Truth? <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55269403299213916652018-04-11T15:21:59.715-07:002018-04-11T15:21:59.715-07:00I mustve missed a key post. I thought NEOs posts o...I mustve missed a key post. I thought NEOs posts on this subject were re: indigenous Americans? RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36202533657071909342018-04-11T13:34:38.537-07:002018-04-11T13:34:38.537-07:00According to the search function, the only person ...According to the search function, the only person prior to your post that spoke of "privilege" has been.... no one. RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49658018773694744072018-04-11T11:20:59.786-07:002018-04-11T11:20:59.786-07:008:17
Interesting to note that when in 1957 Hoeh u...8:17<br /><br />Interesting to note that when in 1957 Hoeh unfolds his theory on Canaan having escaped to the USA through Malta he condemns in the strongest terms some members who wrote to the correspondance department and questioned the humanity of black people. Hoeh calls those who do so, INSANE,IRRATIONAL and finds it unbelievable that people believe such nonsense. Probably the strongest condemnation of members ever from the pages of the PT.<br /><br />The 1957 article continues to warn how the "colored peoples" are falling into the communist trap.<br /><br />Again, like Edgar Hoover a political concern, regarding the "race issue" not a genetic concern.<br /><br />Following the specual op GII logs it becomes increasingly and abundantly clear that HWA had a special mission to communicate with the "colored" leaders of the non alligned nations to keep them in the "capitalist" block led by the USA versus the Soviet Union.<br /><br />The list of visited nations is undeniable. The sequence is south america, south pacific, east africa, (never west africa or the asian french sphere of influence, who are at the time seeking leadership of the non alligned nations) south east asia, the japanese gentiles<br /><br />What is even more interesting is that many of those "colored" leaders ranging from kenya to thailand held combined citizenship of their respective nations, great britain or the USA, heaping diplomatic distinctions on HWA.<br /><br />Oh yes the cold war and decolonization and the rise of the american empire ushering on the new world order.<br /><br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57098962903856226482018-04-11T08:17:28.247-07:002018-04-11T08:17:28.247-07:00Nothing in the world view of Armstrongism prepared...Nothing in the world view of Armstrongism prepared church members in the 1950s, ‘60s, or ‘70s to understand or factor in aboriginal or tribal peoples, or their beliefs. So, they equated Native Americans with the Canaanites. Do we all understand what happens automatically in peoples’ minds when teachers who are supposedly our spiritual guides equate an entire ethnicity with a people in the Bible whom God instructed “His” people to slaughter?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37232237134157276462018-04-11T07:56:39.406-07:002018-04-11T07:56:39.406-07:00Sounds like you weren’t even there, 4:45.
BBSounds like you weren’t even there, 4:45. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30512308661517236642018-04-11T07:48:06.515-07:002018-04-11T07:48:06.515-07:0012:50
I'd rather speak of the Church sponsori...12:50<br /><br />I'd rather speak of the Church sponsoring and paying for "some lasting results". If you prefer to label HWA as the humanitarian so be it. In the Chuch's definition HWA was part of the Church. In Church speak, "if one gets praise all do, if one suffers all do". <br /><br />Non of the thins I cite were secret. <br /><br />As I said lately I was watching J Edgar Hoover movie with dicaprio, 1895 born, 1925 start career, anti communist fighter. lifelong figther of "immorality" in american government. Although rather lenghty the movie showed some gems on social unrest in the 1920's regarding communism, strikes, trade associations and his views on immorality, in the end making a big mistake sabotaging dr king.<br /><br />I see far more traits of the contemporary Hoover in HWA than the "racist" people make of him in hindsight and by re writing history, being overly shocked by the N word wich at that particular time was the defined word to describe people of color. It's worth watching to get some insight into that generation and the radicals they were "fighting" in order to achieve "utopian (world) order". <br /><br />If you would re read all PT articles on the civil rights movement, it would be clear that the PT adressed the perceived threat of communism, civil unrest, chaos, anarchy - versus the forces of order, not race or dna. I'm not saying that was the right choice I'm just saying the level of analysis is extremely poor by blaming all on "racism" in hindsight. <br /><br />nck nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64058851411627244202018-04-11T04:45:41.055-07:002018-04-11T04:45:41.055-07:00BB
Your 11.51 PM post is nothing more than putting...BB<br />Your 11.51 PM post is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig. The church and member position was never one of 'genocidal racism.' This is not re-writing history or whitewashing, as you claim.<br /> <br />The odd church crazy does not justify saddling the church with such a evil label.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77280004577200950672018-04-11T02:17:08.409-07:002018-04-11T02:17:08.409-07:00"advocacy of exterminating Native Americans e..."advocacy of exterminating Native Americans existed broadly"<br /><br />If you had just defined your definition of "broadly."<br />A lot of people in your particular area? The Midwest? 80% of members? 5 BS ministers?<br /><br />Whatever your answer the irony will get bigger the higher you raise your number in light of:<br /><br />-The lectures of judges of the International court of Justice at Ambassador College<br />(yes they actually taught at AC several times)<br />-The sponsoring of diplomatic dinners at the court of international settlements to raise its profile in an uncooperative worldorder<br />-The sponsoring of international diplomatic contacts for Dr Singh in Japan, India, Israel<br />-other contacts with dr lachs World Court etc etc<br /><br />The irony of the attitudes and remarks by the people/ you suffered.<br />And the use of their tithes for sponsoring a court that up to this very day is sentencing war criminals for genocide (mladic, karadzic, congo etc etc.) <br /><br />The other irony is that general custer would not have been tried by this court since the USA has not signed the charter. (just like the charter on child abuse as one of the few nations)<br /><br />So you better petition the government instead of misrepresenting the legacy of wcg.<br /><br />nck<br /><br /><br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90908527964250326872018-04-11T01:28:17.599-07:002018-04-11T01:28:17.599-07:00It seems that NEO has plugged into the MSM with al...It seems that NEO has plugged into the MSM with all this so called white privilege claptrap and genicidle racism nonsense. <br />NEO has left the Herb cult and joined the MSM social justice warrior cult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85310057557278548332018-04-11T00:50:11.605-07:002018-04-11T00:50:11.605-07:00Nck ~ HWA was at best a selective humanitarian. ...Nck ~ HWA was at best a selective humanitarian. He had a firm grasp of who was deserving, of who were the “right” people. In helping the people he helped, his efforts were usually self-serving.<br /><br />As everyone here realizes, I, too admire Jewish people. However, I might have grown to respect HWA if he had marched with Dr. King, had fasted with Cesar Chavez, and perhaps travelled with Marlon Brando to Wounded Knee. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71888989787397944422018-04-11T00:35:45.937-07:002018-04-11T00:35:45.937-07:00Thanks, NEO, I appreciate the compliment. It may ...Thanks, NEO, I appreciate the compliment. It may be difficult for some to remember or believe how mainstream racism really was in the old Radio and Worldwide Church of God, partially because the racism got relabeled as being “God’s way”. There is an old saying to the effect that salesmanship is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a tactful way that the person told is actually looking forward to the trip. WCG salesmanship involved justifying and sugar-coating racism so effectively that many white members could no longer discern it as such. Our brethren of color, if we were fortunate enough to have some of them as friends, could be very helpful with our perceptions.<br /><br />Racism was definitely bigtime mainstream in the old Radio or Worldwide Church of God. But the ministers carefully utilized Orwellian double-speak to portray it as being “God’s” way, painting it as being good, especially such “leaders” as Gerald Waterhouse in his traveling road show depiction of the Millennium. The church didn’t use the most offensive of the ethnic slurs. In that respect, they were a bit more subtile than hate groups like the KKK and the Nazis. The church had an established hierarchy of the races, based on British Israelism and some of the nations or groups that were ancient Israel’s contemporaries. Perhaps the most devastating form of racism is the stereotyping of alleged weaknesses to one’s heritage, and the use of that information to marginalize, invalidate, and exclude others. <br /><br />At a time when the general population of the USA was beginning to recognize and celebrate individual talents and qualifications, Herbert Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God continued to see and depict minority people monolithically, and based on antiquated stereotypes. WCG continued to preach segregation as being God’s way late into the Civil Rights movement, and trotted out all of the old stereotypes to rationalize sending everyone “back” to their supposedly native lands. In many cases these lands were highly hypothetical, and based on imagination and convenient snapshots in time.<br /><br />When I think of the WCG in retrospect, it is not only the prophecy model which has broken. So many of the things which were held out for us to believe are no longer even remotely possible, let alone credible. The “values” that were espoused during the time of the so-called Manpower Committee were largely based on racial stereotypes that now seem camp and silly. An organization deprived itself of some of the best and brightest who could have actually strengthened the church and provided better odds for survival. It’s yet another example of how Armstrongism was time and date-stamped for another era.<br /><br />BB<br /><br /> Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81279370128581785632018-04-10T23:31:13.985-07:002018-04-10T23:31:13.985-07:00"It is discouraging that logical discourse ha..."It is discouraging that logical discourse has declined so badly so as to permit this"<br /><br />Pffff. You started it with taking personal experiences as being official doctrine and believed and espoused by 100.000 of people without any documentation supporting the generalisation of that thesis expanding it into genocide, I must say, terrible experiences. If you had not veered of "so badly" you would have found sympathizers for an important topic, that is the plight of the native through christian missionary involvement.<br /><br />I do sympathize with the topic. Although my personal focus so far had more been on the 3 (and more if you include black) evangelists or top ranking (top 5 influencers) who either directly or indirectly personally suffered (consequences of) genocide. I don't believe HWA ever met a person in Israel who had not been a victim of genocide and we poured millions in that struggling nation in ideological and physical support. I found that more influential in the direction of wcg culture.<br /><br />nck nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54851742882711475472018-04-10T21:59:30.554-07:002018-04-10T21:59:30.554-07:00It was not part of wcg doctrine therefore no one i...It was not part of wcg doctrine therefore no one is denouncing it.<br /><br />Im sure the restaurant incident happened, I'm sure some ignorant members stretched the "physical blessings" thing when confronted with a genuine native species.<br /><br />I repeat that the people who say I didnt experience it, also mean that they never read anything about it nor heard about it. <br /><br />"Should" have been exterminated". Man what fringe people did you attend with.<br /><br />Anti semitism in wcg would at worst be in par with christian anti semitism. <br />I don't think for a moment that the two main jewish policy assistants and legal counsel in the church would have put up with it if it was official.<br /><br />Again people taking their local prejudices into the church.<br /><br />Any northern canadians wanting to weigh in?<br /><br />The real COG history in the DaKotas and the oklahoma territories in the 1840s is well documented.<br /><br />Far more interesting read.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10727054419684378452018-04-10T18:40:29.908-07:002018-04-10T18:40:29.908-07:00Byker Bob:
I think you evaluated the situation...Byker Bob:<br /><br /> I think you evaluated the situation effectively in your post of 11:51. Further, what I have noticed from other posts to this thread, is that there is a mistaken belief that this was something that was believed by only a fringe element when in fact it was a widespread teaching that was transmitted to local congregations by the ministry. <br /><br /> I have noticed that there were many people who did not care about this issue. Rather than being energetically supportive or morally outraged, they just did not care. This would be comparable to those Germans who during WWII just ignored such events as Kristallnacht and the rise of anti-Semitism. This may be why there are pockets where this teaching is not known. <br /><br /> Another thing that is surprising is the use of a logical fallacy as if it were a trusty remedy. One would think that going through our public school system would improve logical reason at least to the point that such arguments would not be recruited so indiscriminately.<br /><br /> That is the fallacious argument: "I have never experienced it, therefore it cannot have been." Since this conditional is used as an argument that is determinative with finality, then anyone who disagrees must have a "king size mental problem." It is discouraging that logical discourse has declined so badly so as to permit this, even in our informal forum. <br /><br /> The fact remains, that the advocacy of exterminating Native Americans existed broadly in the Worldwide Church of God. (I frequently had WCG members, on finding out I was Native American, ask me how it feels to be a part of a people who should have been wiped out. I was always surprised at how blithely this was asked. No doubt the inquirers felt they had the church on their side.) To my knowledge, this has never been denounced by the WCG or any of its offshoots. Part of the problem, of course, is that to denounce it, one must first admit that it was believed. As we have seen, there is a great reluctance to do that. Even GCI has not touched this issue and I am sure never will. <br /><br /> Some could say that this is in the past and there is no need to now be concerned about it. The issue here is a matter of respect for human dignity. How do we feel about dedicated Nazis in Germany who still today would like to see Jews exterminated. Is there not some moral outrage that this would evoke? <br /><br /> It is easier to hide from the culpability by labeling it all "fake news." I recall a man who gave a talk in Spokesman Club in which he claimed that the Holocaust never happened. I think I was shocked wordless and just sat and stared at him. I had visited with him many times and I never occurred to me that he was an anti-Semite, but later I found out that he was just so. But anti-Semitism was not widely held in the WCG - it existed mostly among the ministry in Big Sandy.<br /><br /> Like Jesus said: "But wisdom is justified of all her children."<br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70722077136372979922018-04-10T16:18:36.788-07:002018-04-10T16:18:36.788-07:00I think we need a separate thread for this. Perhap...I think we need a separate thread for this. Perhaps NEO would care to author a recapping OP to start it?RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34417890834324983552018-04-10T14:21:40.376-07:002018-04-10T14:21:40.376-07:00NEO,
As stated, I have never heard genocidal raci...NEO,<br /><br />As stated, I have never heard genocidal racism espoused by either the Armstrongs or their minions in the eight years I attended in the Washington, Baltimore and Annapolis, Md. WCG congregations, or any FOT sermons. I'm NOT saying your experience with the deacon at the restaurant didn't happen, or even the Bible Study you refer to in Kansas. I am saying that the Worldwide Church of God - the weak and base things - had many fringe weirdos at either end of the Bell Curve that believed all kinds of weird things. There used to be a small group of weirdos that would show up at HWA's gravesite on the anniversary of his death expecting God to resurrect him. There was a woman in the Washington, D.C. WCG that didn't believe in shaving, and protruding out from under her long dress were the hairiest legs you ever saw rivaling any creature from the movie "Planet of the Apes". We had a tax cheat who thought to pay taxes was wrong - it didn't end well for him. The middle of the Bell Curve where most people in WCG were didn't believe such nonsense. <br /><br />NO2HWA is jogging my memory by his post. I do remember some reference along those lines somewhere along my journey in the WCG. It referred to Manassah's (USA) birthright and NATIONAL PHYSICAL inheritance and not spiritual. It was referred to by the Church in retrospective history, i.e. Hoeh's Compendium of World History - which no one other than a very few fringe Armstrongites at one end of the Bell Curve even takes seriously today - but not something the Church believes should be continued as a practice today other than the fringe idiot WCG deacon at the restaurant. <br /><br />Spiritually, the Worldwide Church of God believed a scripture I heard MANY times during my 8 years in the Church - "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus". Galatians 3:28. <br /><br />"Racial Genocide" as you have described it was not ever preached as something the Church believed in as something that should be practiced today. We had enough Black brethren and Black ministers who would never spouse to such fringe nonsense. In my eight years in the three aforementioned WCG congregations, we had Ambassador College trained black ministers in Ben Wesley, Curtis May and Arnold Hampton. Our Baltimore Church had Mr. Andrew Jackson as a deacon - a black leader in the local congregation. In nearby Philadelphia, Pa. (by WCG standards "nearby" which we visited on a couple occasions), there was Abner Washington. At FOT, we heard Black Chicago Pastor Harold Jackson who my understanding is that the Church thought so highly of him that they named a building at Big Sandy after him. Elbert Atlas another Black WCG minister. NONE of these people I have mentioned would have had anything to do with WCG if "racial genocide" as you describe it was practiced and preached by the Church.<br /><br />As I said before, Armstrongism has enough baggage on its own without fabricating new ones. I don't doubt for a minute that you could find some fringe members in the Armstrong Splinters that might believe that this non-sense should be practiced and preached today. The Worldwide Church of God had more than its fair share of wierdos walk through their doors. <br /><br />RichardLake of Fire Church of Godnoreply@blogger.com