tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post3700941160033617495..comments2024-03-29T05:22:27.348-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: The Church of God and Halloween MythsNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84548285661158567262016-11-03T05:08:42.896-07:002016-11-03T05:08:42.896-07:00The Dr Who universe (or is it multiverse) is more ...The Dr Who universe (or is it multiverse) is more surreal than Harry Potter.<br />And not forgetting this new Dr Strange movie with all it's parallel universes and domains.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57228623495985270002016-11-01T13:24:57.810-07:002016-11-01T13:24:57.810-07:00FWIW...it's not just 'Armstrongism' th...FWIW...it's not just 'Armstrongism' that doesn't celebrate Halloween.<br /><br />http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/52738-why-christians-absolutely-should-not-celebrate-halloweenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70720796367185048512016-11-01T10:50:24.393-07:002016-11-01T10:50:24.393-07:00"a woman whose daughter had become obsessed w..."a woman whose daughter had become obsessed with the overly lengthy books written by a divorced English woman named Joanne K. Rowling..."<br /><br />As opposed to becoming obsessed with the overly lengthy books written by a divorced American man named Herbert W. Armstrong?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12015205988906614682016-10-31T17:41:09.419-07:002016-10-31T17:41:09.419-07:00...continued from above.
Having been "broug...<br /><b>...continued from above.</b><br /><br /><br />Having been "brought up with weird witchy tales," the author of the <i><b>Harry Potter</b></i> article can't see what all the fuss is about. She can't differentiate between right and wrong. She doesn't care that her daughter's head is full of things that God says are detestable. Her great concern is that her daughter's "vocabulary would be full of Americanisms, her written work full of US-style spellings," if it weren't for English authors like J. K. Rowling. She tries to give the impression that <i><b>Harry Potter</b></i> is the only book available in the English language for her kid to read. From time to time, some woman will want to teach in the church. When one sees how unbalanced they can be, it is no wonder that the apostle Paul said, "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent" (I Timothy 2:12, NIV).<br /><br />How could any women in the WCG ever be so stupid, and so wicked, and so blatant about it all? How could any men in the WCG ever publish such a bad article? Well, the Bible explains that, "The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men" (Psalm 12:8, NIV).<br /><br />From a practical point of view, people who don't really believe in God, and who like things that the Bible says are evil, could save a lot of money by just purchasing <i><b>Harry Potter</b></i> books for their retail price, without the additional cost of tithing added on. Unless one wants to help corrupt the world, why financially support a so-called church so it can praise and promote <i><b>Harry Potter</b></i> books rather than the Bible?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56698995496436110452016-10-31T17:39:36.331-07:002016-10-31T17:39:36.331-07:00Worldwide Church of God women bewitched by Harry P...<br /><b>Worldwide Church of God women bewitched by Harry Potter</b><br /><br /><br />Whereas the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) under Herbert W. Armstrong had opposed customs like Halloween, the WCG under Joseph Tkach, Jr. just can't seem to get enough sorcery and nonsense. This complete change in the nature of the WCG is illustrated by an article in the April 2002 edition of the WCG's Canadian <i><b>Northern Light</b></i> magazine. The article, called <i><b>Harry Potter: What's All The Fuss About?</b></i>, was written by a woman whose daughter had become obsessed with the overly lengthy books written by a divorced English woman named Joanne K. Rowling. The daughter read them everywhere she went. In no time at all, the mother too "was enchanted." Reading the Bible did not seem to be of any interest to either of them. The article first appeared in the February/March 2002 edition of the WCG's British <i><b>Plain Truth</b></i> magazine.<br /><br />In the Old Testament of the Bible, God told the Israelites, "When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God" (Deuteronomy 18:9-13, NIV).<br /><br />The New Testament of the Bible says that, "Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds. A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas" (Acts 19:18-19, NIV). Whereas converted people in the first century rejected sorcery and nonsense for the truth of God, people in the Worldwide Church of God in the twenty-first century are rejecting the truth of God for sorcery and nonsense.<br /><br />The Bible does say that a time will come when people will "not put up with sound doctrine" (II Timothy 4:3, NIV). "They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths" (II Timothy 4:4, NIV).<br /><br />While the Old Testament of the Bible mentions some pretty dire consequences of wrong behavior, the New Testament of the Bible warns about even worse consequences: "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death" (Revelation 21:8, NIV).<br /><br /><br /><b>Continued below...</b><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36062006574385470422016-10-31T17:24:14.571-07:002016-10-31T17:24:14.571-07:00Anonymous on October 31, 2016 at 7:14 AM said...
...<br /><i>Anonymous on October 31, 2016 at 7:14 AM said...<br /><br />“What? To my knowledge, neither of the Tkaches advocated things like, 'witchcraft and sorcery, astrology and horoscopes, magic, seances, Ouija boards, and the occult'”<br /><br />“In spite of all that the Tkaches embraced- being lying con-artists trying to maintain their undeserved lifestyle- there was nothing along those lines, anon.”</i><br /><br /><br />Notice that Keith Stump is still stumping for Halloween.<br /><br />Your comment reminded me of a blast from the past called <i><b>Worldwide Church of God women bewitched by Harry Potter</b></i>. I'll try to find the blurb and post it below if I can.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2504142274215634192016-10-31T12:35:34.361-07:002016-10-31T12:35:34.361-07:0010:09
BTW, I will for now call you a pathetic lia...10:09<br /><br />BTW, I will for now call you a pathetic liar.<br /><br />Because this will be my last opportunity to call one so since I will have to make lengthy statements and apologies on many blogs from now on since you will enlighten me with the legal truth. <br /><br />Prophecy about sequence of events: <br />a) Nck is calling the anonymous poster 10:09 a terrible liar and a fraud. You are a liar!<br />b) Then you will post a link to those transcripts<br />c) nck will fall silent and will the rest of his life send only continuous and incessant apologies because of statements he/I made because of my lack of posession of those transcripts.<br /><br />nck <br /> nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40291725236158866712016-10-31T12:26:07.757-07:002016-10-31T12:26:07.757-07:00"Nck, the written record of Herbies divorce t..."Nck, the written record of Herbies divorce trial (photocopies of the transcripts) has often being reproduced on dissident sites. Herbie did confess to his affair with his daughter."<br /><br /><br />Wow<br /><br />This is the first time in over 30 years that I hear something new.<br />To me this is breaking news.<br /><br />If you could point me to that material I would be much obliged.<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16538906452960268042016-10-31T12:20:30.984-07:002016-10-31T12:20:30.984-07:00Dressing up as HWA? Man,Freddie Krueger,Jason,or M...Dressing up as HWA? Man,Freddie Krueger,Jason,or Michael Myers would have nothing on that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21460979525476919112016-10-31T10:16:38.209-07:002016-10-31T10:16:38.209-07:00BB '1 or 2 postings?' you have criticised ...BB '1 or 2 postings?' you have criticised BI dozens of times. You are BI-Guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21463928952607240182016-10-31T10:09:56.117-07:002016-10-31T10:09:56.117-07:00Nck, the written record of Herbies divorce trial (...Nck, the written record of Herbies divorce trial (photocopies of the transcripts) has often being reproduced on dissident sites. Herbie did confess to his affair with his daughter.<br /><br />RSK. A major reason of ministers abusing members is to beat them down, tear them down, in order to gain power and superiority over them. Yet you trivialise this by your 'quibbling over rank' remark. Many histories believe Germany started WW1 (millions dead and maimed) for the sake of 'rank.' in fact, many wars have been fought over rank. Christ did not criticise His disciples for desiring rank, but just pointed out the price that needed to be paid to acquire the desired rank. <br />My observation is that those who rubbish rank or similar, desire it the most.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2720930498206012202016-10-31T08:03:44.289-07:002016-10-31T08:03:44.289-07:00I cant help but notice that in the religious world...I cant help but notice that in the religious world, clamoring for people to have "an open mind" often results in the shibboleth of many people becoming 'closed minded religious assholes'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40220801550217479892016-10-31T07:14:58.440-07:002016-10-31T07:14:58.440-07:00Speaking of the "open apostasy by the Tkaches...Speaking of the "open apostasy by the Tkaches", anon wrote, <i>"Those who hate what HWA taught might be a little bit more convincing if they had something better to offer in place of his teachings, rather than things like Halloween, witchcraft and sorcery, astrology and horoscopes, magic, seances, Ouija boards, and the occult. Pretending that these things are innocent and harmless pastimes is not totally convincing."</i> <br /><br />What? To my knowledge, neither of the Tkaches advocated things like, "witchcraft and sorcery, astrology and horoscopes, magic, seances, Ouija boards, and the occult"<br /><br />In spite of all that the Tkaches embraced- being lying con-artists trying to maintain their undeserved lifestyle- there was nothing along those lines, anon.<br /><br />Besides, what HWA taught was pile of crap, too. It was only for the purpose of self-aggrandizement with the delusional sense of cosmically derived royalty, and it's attendant lifestyle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15315839651486392702016-10-31T06:39:55.957-07:002016-10-31T06:39:55.957-07:00Uh-oh!
The popular Christian 'Answers in Gene...Uh-oh!<br /><br />The popular Christian 'Answers in Genesis' ministry would like you to hand out <a href="https://assets.answersingenesis.org/img/prod/primary/lg/00-1-098.jpg" rel="nofollow">these 1-million dollar bills</a> to children who come trick-or-treating tonight.<br /><br />FYI, the popular Christian 'Answers in Genesis' ministry opened the Creation Museum, a facility that promotes young Earth creationism, and in 2016 AiG opened the Ark Encounter, a Noah's Ark themed amusement park.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41610149186213933282016-10-31T05:55:00.649-07:002016-10-31T05:55:00.649-07:00Yes but...
Paul did slightly more than use the a...Yes but... <br /><br />Paul did slightly more than use the altar just to get attention.<br /><br />He claimed that the God he proclaimed was the one they worshipped at the altar to the unknown.<br /><br />22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areoapagus and said, "Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with the inscription: To the Unknown God. Therefore, THE ONE WHOM YOU WORSHIP WITHOUT KNOWING, HIM I PROCLAIM TO YOU.<br /><br />He didn't give credibility; rather the claimed this was a God they already worshiped. It is believed that, in that time, there may have been a law in Athens that made preaching foreign gods illegal. Was Paul skirting the law or just creating rapport with the men of Athens? Maybe both. Either way, the Greek seems to indicate the word some versions translate "ignorantly" as "without knowing," or lacking the negative connotations of ignorance. I believe this is true, given Paul's style and the approach he would have taken knowing the mindset of Athenian listeners. <br /><br />At any rate, he did get into Christian basics quickly, but he also strongly insinuated that the God he preached was the one they honored at the altar to the unknown.<br />Marthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438486498450616814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24512996248435513862016-10-31T04:39:07.492-07:002016-10-31T04:39:07.492-07:00It is obvious that many posters do not believe in ...It is obvious that many posters do not believe in God/Elohim anymore, for most of the comments reveal that they do not fear Him.<br /><br />I on the other hand, believe in Him and fear Him. Most visiting this site, probably have the same belief. If the goal of this site is to show the wickedness of Armstrong and his cohorts, putting down the Most High is certainly not the way to gain their trust. <br /><br />His word speaks of evil beings and if they exist in His mind, then I fully submit to His wisdom and revelation. When I see/read that people think that wicked spirits are something to make fun of, I think of the fifth trumpet, where, to me, is speaking of these spirits tormenting mankind, I certainly wouldn't want to come under their torment.<br />Sweetblood777https://www.blogger.com/profile/11000268749016977800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11255705201951999312016-10-31T03:13:16.777-07:002016-10-31T03:13:16.777-07:00"Good grief, the public record of HWA's d..."Good grief, the public record of HWA's divorce trial states clearly"<br /><br />6:07<br />-I recognize your good reasons to not be part of the fold<br />-I am aware of ALL accusations and sources so there is no need to devote entire postings to convince me<br /><br /><br />However, for the record. UNLESS you have the "record of the divorce trial" in your posessions and post copies of said record, you are just quoting websites that are quoting newspaper clippings citing the other parties lawyer. This is not legally convincing.<br /><br />For the rest. Happy Haloween!<br /><br />And Miguel,<br />Indeed, extreme oversimplification as intended for the audience and for reasons of brevity.<br />Interesting, you quote all the relevant sources, except studies on early Islam and the conditions and circumstances of the prophets early years. Unless you are suggesting that their holy book is "divinely inspired" and not entirely manmade within a certain context.<br /><br />The entire Jesus narrative in the arab book is a reflection of the earlier discussions in Christian context on the "humanity of Christ" and Maria's role in it all. <br />Quite akin to the "Robert Kuhn" inspired GTA book "The Real Jesus." Of course GTA portrays GTA as divine but you are aware that it is the most human (rugged, sweaty, frontier man) Jesus you will ever encounter in christian literature. <br /><br />It is often cited that The real Jesus was taken out of print because of GTA's leaving the fold. But in reality even HWA could not swallow the almost complete humanity of Jesus portrayed. Of course in islam the nature of the prophet Jesus cannot be devine although he is attributed special treatment. <br /><br />nck<br /><br />ps Because of the nature of google search. I have not named the arab holy book as it might attract an audience more interested in division of religion than building a shrine at mt sinai dedicated to the prophets shared by all three desert religions.nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44284742506030468532016-10-30T22:51:15.193-07:002016-10-30T22:51:15.193-07:00Or this, heh. https://youtu.be/gccY6r71fwUOr this, heh. https://youtu.be/gccY6r71fwURSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83309262711423294352016-10-30T22:07:36.269-07:002016-10-30T22:07:36.269-07:00All this talk of positions in the kingdom is makin...All this talk of positions in the kingdom is making me think of the disciples always quibbling over rank in the Gospels. Geez.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9254312877857410302016-10-30T20:49:03.952-07:002016-10-30T20:49:03.952-07:00I'm with Dennis on this one. A eternal dirt na...I'm with Dennis on this one. A eternal dirt nap seems more pleasant than <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTlwdvwSrLs" rel="nofollow">The Grand Pecking Order</a> for all eternity!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22659491809608043632016-10-30T20:12:17.922-07:002016-10-30T20:12:17.922-07:00Martha, yes Acts crossed my mind when I stated tha...Martha, yes Acts crossed my mind when I stated that the apostles didn't build on other faiths. In Acts, Paul used the UNKNOWN GOD to gain peoples attention. Nothing more. He then hit them with Christian basics. Read the account. Why should Paul give credibility to some counterfeit by building on it, or using it as some point of reference. God is a jealous God, and will not associate Himself with pagan frauds.<br /><br />Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. <br />Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8873555330491275842016-10-30T19:09:05.485-07:002016-10-30T19:09:05.485-07:00I'm coming out of the closet. I'm outing m...I'm coming out of the closet. I'm outing myself. I confess. I want a high position in the kingdom. I want the power, status and recognition. <br />And I will not be intimidated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76515183370294819042016-10-30T19:01:10.627-07:002016-10-30T19:01:10.627-07:00Anonymous at 12:34, that's not exactly true, t...Anonymous at 12:34, that's not exactly true, that the apostles never starting from a foundation of other faiths. Paul's address at Mars Hill in Acts 17 did this, to some extent. He did not start off by calling his listeners a bunch of pagan polytheists. He commended them for their religious dedication and met them were they were. He connected their altar "to an unknown God" to the gospel message. He ended up correcting them for their idols, but this was not where he started. <br /><br />Do I love the method? No. Does something stronger and more decisive make me feel better? Sure. But it's there as one example, perhaps for a reason.Marthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438486498450616814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91687895149122906542016-10-30T18:48:19.517-07:002016-10-30T18:48:19.517-07:00Of all the "kingdoms" which may or may n...Of all the "kingdoms" which may or may not be operated by various gods, I guarantee you, no COG people will ever be in any of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70841116424307735352016-10-30T18:45:55.812-07:002016-10-30T18:45:55.812-07:00Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. All human societies have a...Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. All human societies have are hierarchical with differing power, status levels. I recently watched a YouTube program on the worlds largest container vessel. The captain gets the highest level living courters, with the top engineer getting the lower level, and the third going to the vice captain or whatever the formal name. This is of Gods doing, and hence good. The 'pecking is condemned though, the chief seat going to the chief giver.<br />As a former minister, you were near the top of the heap, enjoying the power and status, so why the tut, tut. <br />Are you trying to change the rules since you are now a mere commoner?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com