tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post4088308079686134444..comments2024-03-28T21:55:51.024-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Dale Schurter and David C Pack: The Love Story That Wasn'tNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-58971796832361524992016-11-06T22:36:37.736-08:002016-11-06T22:36:37.736-08:00I have the shameful confession of being a member o...I have the shameful confession of being a member of the RCG for 7 years, from 2008 - 2015. I never knew Dale Schurter, but he spoke like a very genuine and nice fellow. It is easy to make jokes, but the reality is people in groups like the Restored Church of God are genuinely trying to do the right thing. Unfortunately the reality has nothing to do with members deluded perceptions. They (once me too) are held captive by their own shortcomings as a christian, i.e. lack of diligence in discerning the truth. The result is destroyed lives for members and their families.<br /><br />With regard to the fish in the pond episode, the truth is stranger than anything you could make up. I remember sitting and listening to two sermons where Pack ridiculed Dale Schurter. The first one Pack was raging (for well over an hour) about the lack of Godly fear amongst the congregation and ministry and used the carp being put in the lake as an example of self willed arrogance, of complete ungodliness. Then a few weeks later Pack announced the culprit was Dale Schurter, and that Dale had early onset dimentia, and was being retired. No apology for the previous cursing of the man.<br /><br />After I left the RCG in late 2015, I contacted several ex ministers, one of which had worked with Pack at 'headquarters' for over 10 years. He related how Pack had sanctioned the whole fish in the lake exercise, dragged all the staff away from their work to witness a cutsie ceremony at the lake, to witness the genious of 'Gods' natural means of controlling weeds in waterways. <br /><br />Later when the fish had eaten all of the weed, the water turned muddy and became an eyesore, and unfit for 'Gods' headquarters. Pack now claiming complete ignorance of the ungodly act undertaken in secret by a lone perpetrator, sought a scape goat. He did so in a public and vicious manner. <br /><br />Pack is simply insane, and most likely demon possessed, so his conduct is not that surprising. To me the most sickening part of this element of the RCG story, is that the whole drama was watched by dozens of 'true' christians who thought it more righteous to see an innocent man humiliated in front of the entire 'world wide' congregation, and allow an open and public lie to go unchecked, than to obey any essence of christianity or common decency. <br /><br />Pack is the definition of high level narcissistic personality disorder. The 'fish in the lake' is the very tip of the iceberg concerning Pack.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89024167048855686592016-08-12T11:15:02.312-07:002016-08-12T11:15:02.312-07:00Why haven't any church members bought the hous...Why haven't any church members bought the house- due to it's awesome provenance?<br /><br />Could it be because everyone enamored with Pack has already sent their spare cash in to HQ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-343364680285387752016-08-11T09:50:05.339-07:002016-08-11T09:50:05.339-07:00The 21st Century Apostle to Wadsworth must be in a...The 21st Century Apostle to Wadsworth must be in a big hurry to prepare for the First Dominion- he's dropped the sale price on his yet again, and an open house is scheduled for this Sunday!<br /><br />http://www.zillow.com/homes/402-pheasant-run,-wadsworth,-oh-44281_rb/<br /><br />Ronco<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30797764024562123972016-08-10T12:57:14.100-07:002016-08-10T12:57:14.100-07:009.53PM The refreshers must have been to keep the m...9.53PM The refreshers must have been to keep the mental pressure on the ministers to be loyal to a group of top men, and not become too independent minded. Loyalty to men first, loyalty to 'truth' second, or forget about truth altogether.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41543005916497896122016-08-10T12:48:35.792-07:002016-08-10T12:48:35.792-07:00Dave left Dale out standing in his fieldDave left Dale out standing in his fieldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36658318183128481382016-08-10T04:54:25.581-07:002016-08-10T04:54:25.581-07:00Michael said, "The automatic unity would be a...Michael said, "The automatic unity would be astoundingly apparent and quite amazing, actually." The problem is, unity, which Jesus prayed for in John 19:20, was not enough. The church demand uniformity. It reminds me of the Ray Bradbury book and later, movie, Fahrenheit 451 where the fire chief says, "We must all think alike."<br />Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39733411205839591992016-08-10T03:35:03.213-07:002016-08-10T03:35:03.213-07:00The whole set-up with the special blog, for this n...The whole set-up with the special blog, for this newly come great one, sounds, in retrospect, like Pack was handing over a little more autonomy than he intended, or could bear to. <br /><br />2 or 3 posts that didn't exactly toe the line Dave THOUGHT he laid down, and that would have been the end, come after barely beginning. Or maybe just ONE post that he put up without having Dave approve every word beforehand. Little offenses, but if you're offending God's chosen Head Man . . . .<br /><br />Shurter described some impossible, idyllic land he thought he had discovered where great things revealing God's incredible power, possessed by a blessed few, were to be witnessed over and over . . . . Hmmm. Wasn't that the same horsecrap we all fell for?<br /><br />And I wonder: when will we be done with these trolls evoking that "I knew Mr. Armstrong PERSONALLY," or "I was taught by him DIRECTLY"? Shurter's claims seem directly copied from some I read that Dave Pack made -- now THAT would certainly have been all right with Dave. <br /><br />But that doesn't sell, people! You learned at the feet of that awful man? Why boast about that?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-25981402116611023172016-08-09T21:53:47.554-07:002016-08-09T21:53:47.554-07:00"Mr. Schurter .... were having signs of demen..."Mr. Schurter .... were having signs of dementia, like in his sermons he was teaching things he learned in United" <br /><br />Watching the COGs is like watching some sort of sitcom... so predictable.<br /><br />Also, this reminded me of something I had always wondered (even as a believing member of many many moons ago).<br /><br />This idea of supposedly God-guided ministers teaching different things and having to attend refreshers and get back on track and all that jazz... Cmon, if there was anything to this Holy Spirit spiel, you wouldn't have to anything, they'd all be guided by the HS and be automatically on the same page, with no worries of different ministers teaching different things.<br /><br />The automatic unity would be astoundingly apparent and quite amazing, actually.<br /><br />But no such scenario has ever existed. Instead, of course, what you have is ministers having a little training in the basics, and everyone applies their spin onto how they interpret that particular church's doctrines. Then they need refreshers to make sure they're not deviating from the head honcho's pet interpretations.<br /><br />There is absolutely nothing supernatural in all this business. From the earliest times, Peter and Paul had different ideas about how and to whom the "gospel" should be preached.<br />That's to be expected because it's how human organizations always work.<br />Ain't no holy spirit nowhere, it's all in their imagination.<br />Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36024771102284708112016-08-09T19:56:08.347-07:002016-08-09T19:56:08.347-07:00Ah, yes, Connie! Shiver me pits! You'd a thu...Ah, yes, Connie! Shiver me pits! You'd a thunk it would at least have been a piranha, or a baby alligator from Florida!<br /><br />Makes the old days when some good ol' Southern buddies of mine put what they called washin' powders in the fountain around the bird sculptures seem downright rowdy by comparison. It was supposed to clean away the artificial green oxides and turn the birds as shiny as a copper penny, but they must have used the wrong detergent.<br /><br />I understand that marijuana seeds may have also been planted on the AC 'dena campus grounds at one time or another. <br /><br />Hey, come to think of it, did some of the two witnesses from another ACOG show up at the toga party? Is that why the Rods found it to be offensive?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77700336940141880462016-08-09T18:11:46.022-07:002016-08-09T18:11:46.022-07:00I can't take it anymore! The disclosure of al...I can't take it anymore! The disclosure of all of these sins on here is so shameful!...<br /><br />First a toga party, then singing a 1940s song and NOW... putting a GOLDFISH in the pond! <br /><br />Such disgraceful behavior, and obvious evidence that these people should all be marked and disfellowshipped! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36055396154766032322016-08-09T16:13:38.918-07:002016-08-09T16:13:38.918-07:00Is there anyone out there who DIDN'T see this ...Is there anyone out there who DIDN'T see this coming? Seriously?<br /><br />Now, at least because Dave even got rid of his daughter and son-in-law, there is a gigantic red flag flying over Wadsworth to warn off future Dale Schurters.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27781885835702360552016-08-09T14:45:26.393-07:002016-08-09T14:45:26.393-07:00I believe Dale has shown us if you put Dave's ...<i>I believe Dale has shown us if you put Dave's sermons n writings in one end of "The Digester" you WILL get high quality manure n compost out the other...</i><br /><br />Actually, just like anything else in the ACoGs it's not compost, it's toxic waste.<br /><br />People seem to think that calling sects of the ACoGs cults is a joke. It's no joke. The leaders are antisocial or worse, their religion is based on an outright provable lie, they are false prophets and the whole thing was founded by an immoral daft kook without one shred of anything we could call spiritual.<br /><br />It's amazing that people just don't seem to realize how dangerous cults like this are, especially for children growing up amidst the lies, positioned to grow into sociopath adults because they learn to lie because no one, particularly their delusional parents, want the truth. It is an entirely dysfunctional crazy environment and no matter where you look, the whole venue is poisoned as a totally toxic hazard for anyone who becomes too deeply involved with it.<br /><br />Armstrongism is a total detriment to society without any socially redemptive features and this example with David Pack is just one of so many powerful examples of the problem.<br /><br />Besides, if you associate with the cult for any length of time, you put your own sanity in danger. My suspicion is that the cult is filled with more mental disorders than the DSM5, alcoholism being at the top of the list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67395713563881232402016-08-09T14:33:39.802-07:002016-08-09T14:33:39.802-07:00I believe Dale has shown us if you put Dave's ...I believe Dale has shown us if you put Dave's sermons n writings in one end of "The Digester" you WILL get high quality manure n compost out the other...DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16541463488613721242016-08-09T13:21:38.322-07:002016-08-09T13:21:38.322-07:00It appears that Dale confused being 'reattache...It appears that Dale confused being 'reattached' to the True Vine, which is a relationship with Christ, to being attached to David Pack or similar. <br />Dale, a Christian is one who follows Christ, remember?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com