tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post4215253888650881771..comments2024-03-28T12:39:02.196-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Stephen Allwine, United Church of God Elder, Found Guilty Of MurderNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69529084130318203932018-08-16T15:56:53.789-07:002018-08-16T15:56:53.789-07:00Radical is not the same as racial.
Radical has ze...Radical is not the same as racial.<br /><br />Radical has zero to do with race. <br /><br />Turns out not everything is about race after all. Janet Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13404150965859368460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48944085255576023042018-02-03T05:20:53.429-08:002018-02-03T05:20:53.429-08:00I very much believe the religion played into this....I very much believe the religion played into this. No doubt Steve was a sick person and his mind got the best of him. It's my opinion his position in the church had him believing he had God's will at his side. Right or wrong if it was God's will, things would be fine. The evil and torture he inflicted on this family knows no bounds. Almost made worse by saying he didn't do it, when sentenced. Steve may have convinced himself he didn't?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-19145709442215279272018-02-03T05:16:32.588-08:002018-02-03T05:16:32.588-08:00Funny, I went to the trial as well and wouldn'...Funny, I went to the trial as well and wouldn't call one row of family and maybe 3-5 others "a lot" of support for defense. Maybe any support for defense could be looked at as a lot, or at least too much given what we know. Sure there was a 'core' of support, but the large group was there for Amy and her family. Media was forced to sit on defendant side of the courtroom. I heard conversations too. I found this blog to get insight into this church. These comments are very insightful, indeed, but some wreak of people just bitter and spiteful at the church. Mostly likely even rightfully... Hearing the father's statement read at sentencing has me believing that not all aspects of this church are not bad. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74816943418130827622018-02-03T05:06:06.817-08:002018-02-03T05:06:06.817-08:00Supporters were there for Amy and her family. Yes...Supporters were there for Amy and her family. Yes they were church goers, but not in support of Steve. He did have a small group there for him. Mainly family. I've followed this case closely and went to the trial. Most everything reported is true, but this narrative about Steve having a large support group is just plain false. This got skewed in reporting because Amy's family and supporters would not talk to media. In fact, one might say they were very opposed to any media attention and let them know about itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-693455732694827232018-02-03T04:56:59.098-08:002018-02-03T04:56:59.098-08:00Re Anonymous 2/1 3:13PM
God does hate divorce! A r...Re Anonymous 2/1 3:13PM<br />God does hate divorce! A related word(s) for it are repeated throughout Scripture in relation to “dealing treacherously.” When an individual or nation makes a covenant with another it is meant to be life-long. When Israel broke its covenant time and again with God it was said they had “dealt treacherously” with Him. When Israel’s and Judah’s allies betrayed them breaking the covenant they had previously made they were said to have “dealt treacherously” with Israel and Judah. The Golden Standard is that marriage is a life-long covenant between a man and woman that ends only with the death of one of the partners who entered therein as our Saviour noted in Mark 10:2-12. Today’s society is just as it was in Christ’s time, if not more so(!), in that we are an “adulterous and sinful generation” (Mark 8:38) professing Christian standards, but watering them down to avoid offense or persecution. Note even how the UK’s Brexit is being referred to as a “divorce” so like most divorces it surely won’t end well for her whose “dealing trecherously” with Continental Europe will lead to the latter seeking vengeance due to the wounds inflicted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89829209061732079462018-02-02T22:51:59.135-08:002018-02-02T22:51:59.135-08:00I was in that courtroom and know for a fact that t...I was in that courtroom and know for a fact that there were a lot there in support of Stephen and heard their conversations of support in the hallway and as we were waiting for proceedings to start. Friends of Amy and her family were also present.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4041942578697816522018-02-02T21:05:26.298-08:002018-02-02T21:05:26.298-08:00Those that saw who was there first hand know this ...Those that saw who was there first hand know this is false. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42582965261759371082018-02-02T21:03:12.858-08:002018-02-02T21:03:12.858-08:00Steve's parents there in support of him.. mayb...Steve's parents there in support of him.. maybe 4-5 other people sitting on defense side.<br /><br />Church members in support of Amy's family were in attendance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89962836760990908242018-02-02T20:58:13.368-08:002018-02-02T20:58:13.368-08:00The rumors of court room filled with supporters fo...The rumors of court room filled with supporters for Steve is just flat out false. His parents/siblings and maybe 4-5 others sitting on defense side. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13586289629262711622018-02-02T18:23:54.698-08:002018-02-02T18:23:54.698-08:00Armstrongism breeds actors. Members are deprived ...Armstrongism breeds actors. Members are deprived of their own opinions and personalities, and must resort to reciting their programming instead. There are also those who do not “walk the talk”, and end up leading dual lifestyles, one for sabbath, and one for the rest of the week. <br /><br />Still, that’s no excuse for killing one’s wife. I don’t know either of these people, and we simply cannot know how they treated each other. Though sometimes the aggressors, the departed are often accorded the status of sainthood. The ACOGs, rather than universally backing a man’s authority in the household, ought to teach conflict resolution. The ACOGs’ dogma makes a man feel like an absolute loser if he cannot control his wife and children, yet there are people who cannot be controlled, and who will always take the wrong side of an ultimatum. This is why people have been known to spank and mistreat their wives. That’s certainly not the ticket to a loving relationship, but church members have most certainly been known to do it.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47233920363329221522018-02-02T15:33:32.746-08:002018-02-02T15:33:32.746-08:00Well said, Silenced. Yes, despite UCG trying to wa...Well said, Silenced. Yes, despite UCG trying to wash its hands of Stephen Allwine, the fundamentalist doctrines of Armstrongism and UCG church culture are contributing factors to the psychology that led to this crime, and clearly reveal just one of the ways that the church's influence is toxic.Percy K. Euttoddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38942709775723205962018-02-02T12:17:36.284-08:002018-02-02T12:17:36.284-08:00Steve Allwine wanted to keep his position in the c...Steve Allwine wanted to keep his position in the church. Do you know how we know this? Because he stayed in the church during the two years he was actively attempting to kill his wife through a series of failed attempts, because he didn't just divorce her, because he kept giving sermons after he had killed her, and he has promised to preach COG doctrine in prison going forward. To say that for Steve, in his brain, that the church wasn't any kind of consideration in his plans to commit this atrocity, is completely delusional, and the prosecution was correct to call attention to that into their arguments.<br /><br />I get that church people feel hurt by the notion that their community culture could be entangled in the origins of such a terrible crime, but these things don't happen in a vacuum. Steve Allwine didn't just instantly become evil. His thoughts are actions were influenced by the various presences in his life, as it is with all of us, and the church was one of them. Adulterous dating websites were another. An unhappy marriage yet another. There's no telling what else he was up to and what else was leaking into his brain. But to try and disconnect him from the church, as UCG has desperately been trying to do, is completely missing the mark.Silencedhttp://silenced.conoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-25410878446248570332018-02-02T10:56:04.308-08:002018-02-02T10:56:04.308-08:00Ekklesia,
So you think 'the Devil made him d...Ekklesia, <br /><br />So you think 'the Devil made him do it', and he never entertained a thought about what his church peeps may think and how he may get away with it?<br /><br />Yep, let's just blame Satan, LOL!<br /><br />And of course, you also have righteous indignation toward those who write "hurtful comments"<br /><br />Your comments remind me of an Abbott and Costello routine, called, "SLOWLY I TURNED", which has also been performed by the Three Stooges, among others. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59497271998935130022018-02-02T09:59:24.688-08:002018-02-02T09:59:24.688-08:00Hurtful comments. Not a fan of the COGs but I don&...Hurtful comments. Not a fan of the COGs but I don't think his being an unpaid elder contributed much to this. I don't think it was thinking murder was more moral than divorce. I simply think it was about a man who let his mind entertain and then slowly turn to evil things. Ekklesianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63535266380356815262018-02-02T09:45:07.324-08:002018-02-02T09:45:07.324-08:00Their child was adopted if they'd divorced Amy...Their child was adopted if they'd divorced Amy would highly likely have been awarded custody especially if his extra marital affairs came to light. At best in a divorce he could have shared custody. He had everything to lose. <br />Ucg members attending the trial to support allwine is shocking. Kubic should have stopped it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64946538583576056402018-02-02T08:59:53.282-08:002018-02-02T08:59:53.282-08:00Very frequently women are told to honor and obey t...Very frequently women are told to honor and obey their husbands because they are to be the leaders of the family. As I see it, a wife's job isn't to blindly follow just anything he says, if she does then she isn't the "help" meet she is supposed to be according to biblical terms. I truly feel a sense of sadness for her and her family, but I wonder if there weren't signs of trouble and they were ignored or she was told to go along with whatever he wanted as he was the leader of the home and the local church. Did she fight back in the times leading up to this event? Maybe she did and didn't get out soon enough. We are told that God protects the innocent, where was her protection from him? It just goes to show that not everyone is protected from everything or everyone, including those of your own household. I can honestly understand how and why people become atheists, I am not but I can understand it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88924203788146595532018-02-02T08:04:28.379-08:002018-02-02T08:04:28.379-08:0010.34 PM calls these "fake narratives"
I...10.34 PM calls these "fake narratives"<br />Is that like "fake news"? (You know, actual news that's labeled as "fake" by those who want to change the narrative?)<br /><br />Whatever happened to good, old fashioned DIVORCE?<br /><br />Well, for one, that would have had a negative impact on his church standing, since the Bible seems to frown on divorce...<br />Better to try to hire someone to kill her, and if that doesn't work out, poison her and then shoot her and make it look like suicide. After all, she's only a woman. BTW, how many women are there on UCG's Council of Elders?<br />A suicide would actually GAIN him sympathy and support in the church. ("Poor Elder of God, he held to God's Word while enduring a big fat Jezebel of a wife, and now she's made him suffer even more!")<br /><br />There have been other trials where armstrongists have packed courtrooms to support their men accused of crimes- (or, in the case of Leona McNair, to support the demonization of a woman who had comitted no crime).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81884811283814838782018-02-02T07:11:43.038-08:002018-02-02T07:11:43.038-08:00What is the affect of brainwashing?
Big Brother...What is the affect of brainwashing? <br /><br />Big Brother Donald Trump stated that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and he would not lose any support. His base is controlled in its thinking by the biased fact spinners at Fox News. Donald knows that their ability to make moral judgments has been corrupted and Big Brother is explicit about it. This is just where Big Brother wants his base to be. Big Brother can then do anything he wants to do and nobody will object. <br /><br />David Koresh was in such control of his Millerite followers that he could take any of the women in his congregation as a wife and the husbands would not resist. David Koresh was a kind of messiah in their eyes and they were no doubt happy to offer up their wives as an act of Millerite zeal.<br /><br />The people who sit in the courtroom in support of Allwine and see this as a conspiracy against "the church" are sick people. They are mentally malformed by listening to the toxic drivel of their ministers. Any judicious discernment is gone. Their distortion of morality has progressed so far, many of them are prepped for another charismatic Millerite leader like David Koresh. <br /><br />We need to remember that these people are sick. And sick people cannot be judged against normative standards. Instead, they need help. The only encouraging aspect about this is that the UCG is a tiny church and is of no influence anywhere. The number of people suffering this particular pathology is thankfully limited. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87371085162527377442018-02-02T06:13:02.378-08:002018-02-02T06:13:02.378-08:00They were there to support Stephen Allwine. I have...They were there to support Stephen Allwine. I have that as a direct quote from a reporter Who was quite shocked at some the comments heard.NO2HWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21184988861469942632018-02-02T05:00:41.445-08:002018-02-02T05:00:41.445-08:00But are the church members in the courtroom to sup...But are the church members in the courtroom to support the husband or support the deceased wife? Some posters are making assumptions which I question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86946957884156199092018-02-02T04:31:09.140-08:002018-02-02T04:31:09.140-08:00When you think you've heard the worst about UC...When you think you've heard the worst about UCG it gets even more darker. This is bad extremely bad. The response from UCG perhaps it's Eddington influence is not going to help matters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47914038399240269152018-02-02T04:21:38.063-08:002018-02-02T04:21:38.063-08:0010.34 PM
Please tell us what the fake narratives o...10.34 PM<br />Please tell us what the fake narratives on this site are?<br />This is a discussion site, so we would love to hear from you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81827449915352274172018-02-01T22:58:53.908-08:002018-02-01T22:58:53.908-08:00"It seems apparent that there was some radica..."It seems apparent that there was some radical hatred involved in this case."<br /> <br />Yeah, his wife looks really black in that picture. You nailed it. Race is always the problem. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52906501363590913372018-02-01T22:57:26.921-08:002018-02-01T22:57:26.921-08:00I can see why the natural reaction of people is to...I can see why the natural reaction of people is to support Allwine. Most of their members and even ministers (they are not all like Pack and Herbie) are decent people (though misguided) and so it would be hard to believe that someone in their church would do such a thing, especially if it is someone they knew personally who seemed to be a great guy, and maybe in some ways he was, because people are complicated and everyone has their good side and bad side, and we all suppress or hide the bad side. Perhaps they will change their minds in due course. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6656032392038912092018-02-01T22:46:02.141-08:002018-02-01T22:46:02.141-08:00"All I can say is that this guy was so warped..."All I can say is that this guy was so warped by years of Armstrongism that he wasn't thinking straight!"<br /><br />Maybe it wasn't Armstrongism. He might have got the idea from a Hollywood movie. Let's ban Hollywood just in case. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com