tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post4359868182991291695..comments2024-03-29T05:22:27.348-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: COGWA on determining what is a counterfeit churchNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10950155586983842052017-12-31T15:47:34.719-08:002017-12-31T15:47:34.719-08:0011:45, You said what I completely feel but could n...11:45, You said what I completely feel but could not articulate as you have. After almost 20 years in an offshoot that taught the standard issue "We are the ones" doctrine, my conscience finally over ruled my emotions and I made a move. That "doctrine" had became very strong in the past few years..it certainly did not go back to the beginning of the organization about 20 years ago, unless I was too stupid to notice. I never stopped believing in God's plan of salvation as rehearsed each year through the Holy Days and Sabbath. Unfortunately, these truths and others have been marketed and used to divide God's people. What happened? After worrying and praying, worrying and praying, my closest friends from the group I left remained friends. As for the ministry, few acknowledge that I exist which I find painful, but at the same time, very telling. "By their fruits......" I thought that "shunning" was for those who caused division! I now attend with COGWA, and I can say that at least locally, there is a welcoming and peaceful environment without the stuff that caused me to leave my last affiliation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-985316199176296272017-12-24T00:08:17.918-08:002017-12-24T00:08:17.918-08:00Yes,
Why did Constantine choose Christianity?
n...Yes,<br /><br />Why did Constantine choose Christianity?<br /><br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18404612170442262442017-12-23T14:57:41.798-08:002017-12-23T14:57:41.798-08:00Yep! The old Frank Lloyd Wright thing: functiona...Yep! The old Frank Lloyd Wright thing: functionality before form. Think Guggenheim Museum for the collection.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16678082209766639912017-12-23T14:44:46.465-08:002017-12-23T14:44:46.465-08:00People say, "All religions derive from either...People say, "All religions derive from either delusion or fraud, with the sole exception of my own."<br /><br />I agree with all these people, without exception.Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62303605349776392802017-12-23T08:00:10.515-08:002017-12-23T08:00:10.515-08:00Yes, the rules of social interaction, grouping and...Yes, the rules of social interaction, grouping and cohesion are mysterious indeed. <br /><br />In private collections I often stare at decorations like "the golden star of the invincible eagle" awarded by empires of yonder years. Today they hold no significance anymore but once upon a time entire nations died and bled for the occassion remembered by those honors.<br /><br />The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. <br />Or better holiness is what we or society attributes. So I wonder what makes things counterfeit or holy. Something works or it doesn't.<br /><br />nck nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60533696976571345512017-12-23T06:01:49.940-08:002017-12-23T06:01:49.940-08:00"It takes a weird one to recognize another.&q..."It takes a weird one to recognize another."<br /><br />Ah! That was the basis for all "fellowship" within Armstrongism! And, since we are discussing COGHWA, one imagines that it still is today.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84418740939180788902017-12-22T22:54:10.454-08:002017-12-22T22:54:10.454-08:00True Bread,
You gave yourself away on another thr...True Bread,<br /><br />You gave yourself away on another thread when you (out of sync) started musing on fungi suddenly.<br /><br />Be informed that from very early age when my peers were taking notes during sermons I was doodling huge Rorschachs.<br /><br />It takes a wierd one to recognize another.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20769603428090105472017-12-22T18:15:30.527-08:002017-12-22T18:15:30.527-08:00nck said:
"The circle is a symbol for a cert...nck said:<br /><br />"The circle is a symbol for a certain part of the female anatomy...."<br /><br /><br />WHAT!!!!!!! The church is a bellybutton??<br /><br /><br />HAHAHAAA....!!!! thanks a lot for playing along nck....and thanks for taking my bait.<br /><br />I exclusively had you in mind when I made my post....out of all the readers here I was certain you would respond...!!!<br /><br />When I hear the term "church of god" I always think of the "vagina of widgets". <br /><br />But maybe I'm just weird....True Breadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04630174767307245168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72135932484393394802017-12-22T16:59:31.139-08:002017-12-22T16:59:31.139-08:00Grace is all about resting on your laurels. Grace is all about resting on your laurels. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50130864665423148372017-12-22T16:45:10.034-08:002017-12-22T16:45:10.034-08:00bb is profound and knows so much more than anyone ...bb is profound and knows so much more than anyone on here Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15243988477944975942017-12-22T16:29:24.213-08:002017-12-22T16:29:24.213-08:00Anyone who cares about her reputation on this teen...Anyone who cares about her reputation on this teeny blog is pathetic. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70883508761526585282017-12-22T15:00:05.450-08:002017-12-22T15:00:05.450-08:00COGWA may be one of the better larger COG organiza...COGWA may be one of the better larger COG organizations, but still they leave a lot to be desired. Some of the "minsters" are more Biblically-based than others. <br /><br />We attended in an area that was very lax and saw the congregation slowly disintegrate spiritually, physically, emotionally, and mentally. Very few of the original members<br />are left. Have not attended with COGWA since 2014, & really don't miss it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43563448678242305312017-12-22T09:08:26.251-08:002017-12-22T09:08:26.251-08:00And Steve, my views on Paul are not out of the box...And Steve, my views on Paul are not out of the box save to those in the Churches of God who mix their OT with the NT and think that Paul just clarified and taught what the Jewish Christian Peter, James and John did. This is simply not so. <br /><br />A KEY is that Paul lived, wrote and died before any Gospels of a Jesus on earth were penned. By putting him AFTER the Gospels and Acts, it gives impression Paul came after them but this is not so. Paul does not tell the story of his calling the way Acts does. Acts was written to make it seem Paul was more the team player with the Jerusalem Apostles than he was and bridge the gap between the Gospels, now placed before Paul and Paul's writings real or imagined as later church fathers added their own books in his name.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71662145081494686322017-12-22T08:58:45.115-08:002017-12-22T08:58:45.115-08:00UCG has dramatically changed from 2010. That is a ...UCG has dramatically changed from 2010. That is a fact. Who ever said UCG would do away with the Sabbath ? That is a strawman argument and UCG bloggers are very skilled at strawman and defective arguments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22763325154351827452017-12-22T08:56:23.154-08:002017-12-22T08:56:23.154-08:00Read Galatians 1 and 2 with an open mind and ask i...Read Galatians 1 and 2 with an open mind and ask if Paul was a team player or a Jewish Christian following Peter, James and John in Jerusalem having come along after them.<br /><br />Galatians 1New International Version (NIV)<br />1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead<br /><br />6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— <br /><br />7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. (THE JERUSALEM APOSTLES) <br /><br />8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one WE preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, (FROM ME) let them be under God’s curse! (NICE TOUCH)<br /><br />10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? (PAUL SAID HE DID JUST THAT) Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.<br />(IS THIS THE SAME PAUL WHO SAID .... <br /><br />1 Corinthians 9:19-23New International Version (NIV)<br /><br />19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings."<br /><br />(HOW CAN YOU TRUST A MAN WHO DOES THIS AND HOW DO YOU EVER FIND OUT WHAT HE REALLY BELIEVES?)<br /><br /><br />11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by REVELATION (Hallucinations) from Jesus Christ. (IN HIS HEAD, Paul got his Lord's Supper instructions in Corinthians the same way.)<br /><br />13 For you have heard of my PREVIOUS way of life in Judaism...<br /><br /> 15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb (NO DAMASCUS ROAD HERE. CALLED LIKE JESUS) and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son IN me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was NOT TO CONSULT WITH ANY HUMAN BEING (He should have). 17 I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus. (THIS CONTRADICTS ACTS)<br /><br /> 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie. (HE MUST HAVE BEEN BEING ACCUSED OF LYING ABOUT THESE THING<br /><br /> <br /><br />Gal 2:<br /><br />As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my message. (WOW)<br /><br />7 On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised,[a] just as Peter had been to the circumcised.[b] <br /><br />8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. <br /><br />9 James, Cephas[c] and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.<br />GOING TO TWO SEPARATE CULTURES AND GROUPS RESULTS IN TWO DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AND PRACTICES. NEITHER TRIES TO MAKE THE OTHER LIKE ITSELF WITH GOOD RESULTS. <br /><br />10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along. (IN ACTS 15 Paul was told to do a lot more than that which he ignored)DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31346724513315924842017-12-22T08:31:08.909-08:002017-12-22T08:31:08.909-08:00Steve D said...
Dennis, you said, "but in the...Steve D said...<br />Dennis, you said, "but in the NT it was Paul vs Peter, James and John. Jewish Christian vs the Gnostic/Gentile version of Paul." Would you explain what you mean? Thanks. <br /><br />Hi Steve, sure.<br />It is commonly understood in theology these days that Paul was not of the Jewish Christian camp . His beliefs were his own , based on his hallucinatory revelations. In Galatians 1-2 we have his famous boast of basically "I got my gospel from Jesus personally and from no man" . The Jerusalem apostles , Peter, James and John, to Paul, were "reputed pillars" and what they had to say meant nothing to him. "I learned nothing from them." Wow... <br /><br />Paul was made to seem cooperative with the Jerusalem Church in Acts 15 but in I Corinthians, when he did his thing, it is obvious he completely ignored what he is allegedly said to have agreed to. <br /><br />Paul's theology was basically of the cosmic and Gnostic variety. He grew up in Tarsus it is said which was a seat of much of the godman stuff Paul transferred to his Christ. There is great doubt Paul was a Pharisee as when analyzed , he does not reason like one. His having Roman Citizenship is a big red flag to his claim to be a Pharisee. <br /><br />Much can be leaned of Paul from Hyam Maccoby's Paul the Mythmaker and other books and criticism of Paul vs. Peter, James and John. It's a big but fascinating topic.<br /><br />The bottom line is that It is not Paul AND Peter, James and John. It is Paul OR Peter, James and John. The Book of James was written to refute Paul's works/grace approach in Romans. I believe Paul was probably the "who say they are Apostles and are not" the Ephesians confronted in Revelation and rejected. Paul even says "All Asia has departed from me" All is a lot and it had to be a big reason. Revelation is a Jewish/Christian document. <br /><br />Paul came along and turned the tables on it all and is what we have today in mainstream NT Christianity. Jewish Christianity lost in history and thinks it survives in the WCG offshoots as "The True Church" It does not as even in the day, the number of splits and splinters in the first century were abundant as today.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66596845924462337682017-12-22T06:11:35.495-08:002017-12-22T06:11:35.495-08:00Oh come on 11:47, that's a lame excuse. That&#...Oh come on 11:47, that's a lame excuse. That's going out of your way for people who won't do the same for you. No reason for that.RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77555919393786940202017-12-22T03:10:24.140-08:002017-12-22T03:10:24.140-08:00Dennis, you said, "but in the NT it was Paul ...Dennis, you said, "but in the NT it was Paul vs Peter, James and John. Jewish Christian vs the Gnostic/Gentile version of Paul." Would you explain what you mean? Thanks. Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49446813313834678352017-12-22T00:44:38.357-08:002017-12-22T00:44:38.357-08:00"The circle is a symbol for a certain part of..."The circle is a symbol for a certain part of the female anatomy...."<br /><br /><br />WHAT!!!!!!! The church is a bellybutton??<br /><br /><br />Now I get it. We are connected through the umbilical cord with the source of life.<br />Wow great symbolism.<br /><br /><br />Of course we could have "the pagans" on this blog arguing that "Kurikon" or kuriakon doma (Lord's House) (Kurious) being Master or Lord could have spilled into the Germanic languages through the Greek (NT) Bible translations of the Byzantine Empire.<br /><br />What fools are they arguing that the German word for circle is KREIS. Or Circe was a "personae", whereas a "church building" is an "edifice" or regardes as an instrument to worship in.<br /><br /><br />No, Belly Button it will be. And it smells good too (like myrrh and incense). Any symbolism on Grapes too?<br /><br />nck<br /><br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71544190064340369752017-12-21T23:47:20.638-08:002017-12-21T23:47:20.638-08:00RSK
What your common 7.40 PM comment misses is tha...RSK<br />What your common 7.40 PM comment misses is that crappy family and crappy friends is the best that many can do. We don't live in a ideal world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70429636145203277882017-12-21T22:31:59.761-08:002017-12-21T22:31:59.761-08:00I like these words attributed to Ellen white: &quo...I like these words attributed to Ellen white: "You don't have to worry about the Church of God. They'll never amount to anything. They are all too busy converting each other."Gordon Feilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16920970799354430732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76932123131657460562017-12-21T19:40:54.410-08:002017-12-21T19:40:54.410-08:00Of course, there is the question of "If you h...Of course, there is the question of "If you have to stay in a severely questionable church to retain family and friends, are they really your family and friends in the first place?"RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10623421788678127232017-12-21T19:02:34.628-08:002017-12-21T19:02:34.628-08:0010.08 AM
Mine and others comments are'nt writt...10.08 AM<br />Mine and others comments are'nt written exclusively for you. What you mock others ponder or can relate to. No one likes a social barbarian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55806860093049201992017-12-21T17:50:17.020-08:002017-12-21T17:50:17.020-08:00what utter nonsense....the word "church"...what utter nonsense....the word "church" stems directly from many words that imply a CIRCLE....pure paganism. "Kirche" from German, and "Circe" from the Greeks, as she was one of their main godesses... The circle is a symbol for a certain part of the female anatomy...I'm betting y'all can figure that out for yourselves...what a crock...!!!True Breadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04630174767307245168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26289549617776087702017-12-21T17:07:48.187-08:002017-12-21T17:07:48.187-08:00One thing that occurred to me as I read this blog ...One thing that occurred to me as I read this blog entry about the COGaWA. The minute one claims to be a member of the only "true" anything, that person subconsciously gives himself or herself permission to treat all non-members in "let the dead bury the dead" mode. It's sick, and it's actually even taught from the pulpit every time someone uses terms like Laodicean, or puts down the other splinters. They've been treating other zealous and sincere Christians in this manner for years, and now they are doing it to one another!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com