tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post4596408390468061241..comments2024-03-28T22:34:16.707-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: "Elijah Work" is alive and well ONLY in the PCG, as it claims to possess the two most important books ever writen in human history NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26839442765821291152017-05-18T17:04:39.460-07:002017-05-18T17:04:39.460-07:00I hope when ol six pack dies people will be libera...I hope when ol six pack dies people will be liberated.Henry Bemishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14744363735474261058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79599070660959607522017-05-17T11:21:10.771-07:002017-05-17T11:21:10.771-07:00Anon, you have missed the point entirely.
The bi...Anon, you have missed the point entirely. <br /><br />The bible, when talking of time periods, and time cycles is using the Hebrew calendar, not a ‘solar 365 day calendar’. <br /><br />If Gerald Flurry is using his personal experiences to imply a prophetic biblical result, he needs to do so by the same biblical standard. That is my point, and that is my only point.<br /><br />It is you, not me, that have made the claim that cycles and timing are ‘rampant’ in human history. I made no such claim. <br /><br />It is you that have, thus far, failed to give even one example.<br /><br />Maybe you would care to produce some of this ‘rampant’ data? Or is it you that have not done your homework?<br />Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73655171709497410752017-05-17T09:10:09.317-07:002017-05-17T09:10:09.317-07:00Questeruk
It is easy to prove which one of us is c...Questeruk<br />It is easy to prove which one of us is correct. Cycles and timing is rampant in human history, so all that's required is back testing to see which of the two calendars gives the better success rate. <br />You haven't done your homework, have you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85150422493331224332017-05-17T03:30:51.388-07:002017-05-17T03:30:51.388-07:00
Anon 10.11 PM
You need to have a bit of lateral ...<br />Anon 10.11 PM<br /><br />You need to have a bit of lateral thinking here, Anon. <br /><br />Of course your statement sounds sensible to you, and to me, and it would seem sensible to Gerry F too, because that is exactly what he was saying too. (Aren’t you glad you are agreeing with Gerald!).<br /><br />But that is because we have all been brought up with a calendar that is solely a solar calendar. We use the term ‘months’ (moons), but they have no relevance as to what the moon is actually doing. We are looking at dates from the point of view of the solar calendar, and only ‘translating’ those dates back to the Hebrew calendar <br /><br />The Hebrew calendar is a solar/lunar calendar – it takes into account what the moon is actually doing, as well as the sun. So on the 6th day of one month, the moon is going to look very similar to the 6th day of any other month.<br /><br />For someone that was brought up with only a Hebrew calendar your point would sound completely ridiculous. <br /><br />Just try to use a little lateral thinking on this case in point.<br /><br />On the Hebrew calendar HWA died on 6th day of 11th month. Add three and a half years. Three years would bring you to 6th day of 11th month three years later. Another half year will bring you to 6th day of 5th month of the following year. Easy, no problem!<br /><br />Try telling that person that your ‘solar only’ calendar makes three and a half years to come out on their calendar as 13th day of the 4th month, and you would be laughed to scorn. <br /><br />‘Why that is obviously wrong – the moon is nearly full on 13th, but nowhere near full on the 6th – plus it’s only 5 months that you are counting, not 6. What a stupid calendar this solar calendar is that you are using!’<br /><br />It’s all a matter of perception, of what you are used to. And the Hebrew calendar is the calendar used in the bible, not the solar only calendar.<br />Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54906539787131465552017-05-16T22:11:37.948-07:002017-05-16T22:11:37.948-07:00Questeruk
The 'pagan' calendar works becau...Questeruk<br />The 'pagan' calendar works because it is based on the solar year of 365 days per years. It works in the sense of certain calendar days repetitively appearing in human history. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79570253353256317322017-05-16T13:09:02.132-07:002017-05-16T13:09:02.132-07:00Let’s look at this in Flurry’s own language. Flurr...<br />Let’s look at this in Flurry’s own language. Flurry states:-<br /><br />“Mr. Armstrong died on January 16, 1986.”<br />and<br />“Finally, my son read the rough draft of Malachi’s Message on Sunday, July 16, 1989—exactly 3½ years after Mr. Armstrong died!”<br /><br />Remarkable isn’t it. Three and a half years to the day! However why would Flurry expect his god to use our modern ‘pagan’ calendar? Surely not?<br /><br />The real test would be was it 3.5 years according to the Hebrew calendar? We don’t have to get into calendar issues here, because Flurry uses the standard Hebrew calendar that the Jews use and he should surely expect his god to do the same?<br /><br />A ten minute check on Google shows.<br /><br />1. 16th January 1986 is the 6th day of the 11th month on the Hebrew calendar.<br />2. 16th July 1989 is the 13th day of the 4th month. <br /><br />This is way short of three and a half years. Three and a half years would be 6th day of the 5th month. <br /><br />The 6th day of the 5th month in 1989 in the Hebrew calendar, translates as 7th August 1989. The Robbers cave experience was 22 days too early!<br /><br />Gerald Flurry has a case of "hoist with his own petard," as Shakespeare would put it.<br />Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39870759618079562632017-05-16T12:46:57.436-07:002017-05-16T12:46:57.436-07:00This comes under the category of mystic manipulati...This comes under the category of mystic manipulation. From the internet:<br />"Eight Ways to Identify Religious Brainwashing: Mystical Manipulation (Part 2 of 8) by Steve Smith <br /><br />By setting themselves up on a pedestal as an incandescent personality, a cult leader attracts followers as moths to a flame.<br /><br />Most cult leaders or leaders of unhealthy religious groups claim that God reveals himself to them in special ways. They also may appear to perform miracles of knowledge or miracles of healing used to enhance their own power or wealth. For example, a group leader might say, “God spoke to me last night and said that it is his will for everybody in this church to sell all of their possessions and give the money to the church.” <br /><br />Cult leaders often make up stories about their past in order to prove that God has chosen them as a special servant who people must follow. They may claim to have heard revelations, seen visions, or spoken to angels who revealed special truth to them. Through this special anointing, they claim to have authority over other people."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8373952823715791112017-05-16T10:21:21.071-07:002017-05-16T10:21:21.071-07:00Of course the only verification for any of this is...Of course the only verification for any of this is "Mr. Flurry says....." How naive are his followers? I understand that they must agree with it in order to be baptized.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21241995782106272712017-05-16T06:52:56.424-07:002017-05-16T06:52:56.424-07:00Gerald Flurry is right that "Robbers Cave&quo...Gerald Flurry is right that "Robbers Cave" defines pivotal information on the contemporary history of the Church(es) of God.<br /><br />Realistic conflict theory (initialized RCT), also known as realistic group conflict theory (initialized RGCT),[1][2] is a social psychological model of intergroup conflict.[3] The theory explains how intergroup hostility can arise as a result of conflicting goals and competition over limited resources, and it also offers an explanation for the feelings of prejudice and discrimination toward the outgroup that accompany the intergroup hostility.[1][3][4] Groups may be in competition for a real or perceived scarcity of resources such as money, political power, military protection, or social status.[1] Feelings of resentment can arise in the situation that the groups see the competition over resources as having a zero-sums fate, in which only one group is the winner (obtained the needed or wanted resources) and the other loses (unable to obtain the limited resource due to the "winning" group achieving the limited resource first).[1][2] The length and severity of the conflict is based upon the perceived value and shortage of the given resource.[1][3] According to RCT, positive relations can only be restored if superordinate goals are in place.[1]<br /><br /><br />Robbers cave study[edit]<br />The Robbers Cave Experiment by Muzafer Sherif represents one of the most widely known demonstrations of RCT.[4] Sherif's study was conducted over three weeks in a 200-acre summer camp in Robbers Cave State Park, Oklahoma, focusing on intergroup behavior.[3] In this study, researchers posed as camp personnel, observing 22 eleven- and twelve-year-old boys who had never previously met and had comparable backgrounds.[3][8]<br /><br />The experiment was divided into three stages. The first stage being "ingroup formation", in which upon arrival the boys were split into two approximately equal groups based on similarities. Each group was unaware of the other group's presence. The second stage was the "friction phase", wherein the groups were entered in competition with one another in various camp games. Valued prizes were awarded to the winners. This caused both groups to develop negative attitudes and behaviors towards the outgroup. The third and final stage was the "integration stage". During this stage, tensions between the groups were reduced through teamwork-driven tasks that required intergroup cooperation.[8]<br /><br />Sherif made several conclusions based on the three-stage Robbers Cave Experiment.[3][8] From the study, he determined that because the groups were created to be approximately equal, individual differences are not necessary or responsible for intergroup conflict to occur.[8] As seen in the study when the boys were competing in camp games for valued prizes, Sherif noted that hostile and aggressive attitudes toward an outgroup arise when groups compete for resources that only one group can attain.[7][8] Sherif also establishes that contact with an outgroup is insufficient, by itself, to reduce negative attitudes.[8] Finally, he concludes that friction between groups can be reduced along with positive intergroup relations maintained, only in the presence of superordinate goals that promote united, cooperative action.[3][8]<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14073982873857715272017-05-16T06:10:12.271-07:002017-05-16T06:10:12.271-07:00To any PCOG Members that may read this:
Decades a...To any PCOG Members that may read this:<br /><br />Decades ago, a Jules Dervaes wrote a set of warning letters to the Tkach Leadership of WWCG, and he repeatedly claimed that Gerald Flurry's Malachi Message did major plagiarizing of it. This man wrote Flurry and told to stop...<br /><br />Are you SO SURE a "Mighty Angel" brought this book to Gerald Flurry? Do you realize you are betting your salvation on this? The Same God that warned for all time in Rev 22:18-19 about those who would ADD or SUBTRACT from His Word!<br /><br />Why do think some of the "ministers" in your church tell you to "get your nose out of the Bible and into church booklets?<br /><br />The Real God is there. Waiting for you to reach out to HIM instead of M-e-n!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31738472628198953242017-05-16T01:30:15.905-07:002017-05-16T01:30:15.905-07:00Herbie beseeching God to stop revelation to his s...Herbie beseeching God to stop revelation to his sinning church? Ha, ha, ha.<br />Herbie was the one leading the church into sin. It was Herb who introduced roman Catholic hierarchical tyranny into the church. It was Herb who taught the give way, with the winners doing the giving and the trailer park losers doing the getting. It was Herb who hid that Christ leads every Christian individuality, rather than God communicating exclusively through some church governing body.<br /><br />Yesterday I watched the YouTube video "jW.org video Psychologist talks about dangers of watchtower." It's worth watching. I felt they were describing Herbs church. They mentioned all these parallels such the end is always 5 years away. Their members were looked down upon for buying a house and saving for the future since the end is always so near. This left many destitute in their old age. They mentioned that Herbs church was the only other denomination that taught the end was coming in 1975. The pointed out that their governing body was viewed as Gods exclusive mouthpiece, and to disagree was to disagree with God. Which is the same story in today's Herbie slivers. They mentioned the mind conditioning using repetition that permeates Herbs slivers and the 'blackmail' of cutting members off from their families if they left.<br />Listening to Herbs sermons, it was obvious that he wasn't intellectually inclined. So I used to wonder where he got all his ploys and brainwashing techniques from. Well look no further than the Jehovah witnesses Watchtower.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com