tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post4940078162471912027..comments2024-03-28T22:34:16.707-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: LCG Cavorting With The People That Will PersecuteThemNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29905427190143177112018-07-09T18:21:44.443-07:002018-07-09T18:21:44.443-07:00You don’t suppose they have drinks together occasi...You don’t suppose they have drinks together occasionally, do you nck?<br /><br />Jerry Weston has come to resemble Dr. C. Paul Meredith in his old age.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72298150600184243202018-07-09T08:47:47.855-07:002018-07-09T08:47:47.855-07:00I am so completely brainwashed by the people on th...I am so completely brainwashed by the people on this blog that my brain did't even register that Weston had a selfie taken with a person of color.<br /><br />I spend too much time here. My brain doesnt compute reality anymore.<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11411526041014107542018-07-07T17:33:44.868-07:002018-07-07T17:33:44.868-07:00I'm talking about the evangelist moron
Is 1:4...<i>I'm talking about the evangelist moron</i><br /><br />Is 1:49PM talking about the moron Weston, the moron Winnail, the moron Ames, or the moron Wachowicz?<br /><br />It will be interesting to see which of LCG's Pastor-rank ministers are next elevated to Evangelist rank. Several of LCG's ministers are almost openly lusting after such a raise in rank, which they consider deserved and too-long played. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3792347115829495612018-07-07T13:49:22.492-07:002018-07-07T13:49:22.492-07:00Anon 12:16, I'm talking about the evangelist m...Anon 12:16, I'm talking about the evangelist moron. I haven't done cult thing in awhile, but I think they still rank higher up????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46820854061445337662018-07-07T12:51:55.227-07:002018-07-07T12:51:55.227-07:00Dennis, you may be thinking about "Walking in...Dennis, you may be thinking about "Walking in Memphis" written and originally recorded by Marc Cohn and later recorded by Cher and Lonestar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30164148783038782112018-07-07T12:16:47.229-07:002018-07-07T12:16:47.229-07:00Anon 5:37 wrote:
Wyatt is a little bitch for the ...Anon 5:37 wrote:<br /><br /><i>Wyatt is a little bitch for the higher ups. He will do and say whatever they want.</i><br /><br />Wyatt is on LCG's Council of Elders and runs the entire "TV" (audiovisual) department. He <b>IS</b> one of the higher ups! His character and values are molding the character and values of employees and ministers in LCG.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55593696140605228572018-07-07T09:55:58.282-07:002018-07-07T09:55:58.282-07:00If any one of you members would go to your individ...<i>If any one of you members would go to your individual minister and inform them that you plan to attend a Methodist Church convention because you believe that it would further your spiritual growth and open doors to new opportunities and give you contacts for future guidance what do you think your minister's response is going to be? </i><br /><br />Living University asked LCG ministers to go to Jerry Falwell's Liberty University to obtain graduate degrees in theology. It would be hypocrisy for an LCG minister to correct a member for doing the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-25192459971107965622018-07-07T08:56:52.794-07:002018-07-07T08:56:52.794-07:00In the past, God has used these conventions to ope...In the past, God has used these conventions to open doors for the Church to many new opportunities, such as broadcasting Tomorrow’s World into new countries and in other languages, saving money on equipment and services, and providing contacts that further the Church’s efforts in ways we would not have previously imagined.<br /><br />To those in the Living Church of God, this statement is an indictment of itself, proving that it is a organization trapped on a treadmill going nowhere.<br /><br />Did any members ask themselves after reading this why HWA didn't have to rely on such a convention to open doors for himself? Did any members ask themselves after reading this why GOD has to rely on the Religious Broadcasting Network to open doors for HIS CHURCH?<br />Did any members ask themselves after reading this why my church believes and participates in yoking themselves to Satan inspired worldly institutions for the furtherance of what is supposed to be a SPIRITUAL institution?<br /><br />If any one of you members would go to your individual minister and inform them that you plan to attend a Methodist Church convention because you believe that it would further your spiritual growth and open doors to new opportunities and give you contacts for future guidance what do you think your minister's response is going to be? I would bet first you would get an incredulous look followed by the quote of II Cor. 6:14 - Be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness.<br /><br />The main problem with the Living Church of God and most of the other COGs is that by their actions they deny Jesus Christ. First of all they put their trust in money followed by a trust in themselves and then a trust in worldly institutions and technology and a undeclared reliance upon a conservative Republican government. Where is the power of God expressed or witnessed to as to the means of the furtherance of the plan of God? When the Living Church of God continues to try and blend the "Ezekiel warning" with a gospel message and label it "The Work" and give it to the public, it will always be what it is now, a mangled mess of gloom and doom with a kingdom attached at the end. That is certainly not the gospel the apostles finally understood after Jesus Christ's resurrection and witnessed to in person and writings for us to read today.<br /><br />I guess it would too much to expect and a laughable wish to hope that the leaders of the COGs would take it upon themselves to live Mark 6:8: ...that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their wallet. And with this complete reliance on God speak of the true gospel of God. What About The Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31291041436884774372018-07-07T05:37:27.678-07:002018-07-07T05:37:27.678-07:00Wyatt is a little bitch for the higher ups. He wil...Wyatt is a little bitch for the higher ups. He will do and say whatever they want. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30554755610270829562018-07-07T02:37:28.077-07:002018-07-07T02:37:28.077-07:00Anon 4:57 You raise a very good point but role pla...Anon 4:57 You raise a very good point but role playing at being a certain role can only take a person so far. At some point you have to be the real deal.<br />What Christ brought and wants is authentic christians not role playing actors. The COG movement is suffering now because its filled with power hungry frauds Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84790309417597745002018-07-06T20:53:26.853-07:002018-07-06T20:53:26.853-07:00What an ugly elder.
What an ugly elder. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15028370630054169272018-07-06T18:36:19.237-07:002018-07-06T18:36:19.237-07:00Hoss noted: " However, the one condition the...Hoss noted: " However, the one condition the group had that stopped Ron from joining was that members must be Trinitarian."<br /><br />Well he could have said "I am one tonight" No wait...that's a country western song of some kind.. DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9471812441168129652018-07-06T17:26:22.948-07:002018-07-06T17:26:22.948-07:00"LCG members and even employees have gone to ...<i> "LCG members and even employees have gone to the higher-ups to complain about Ciesielka's lack of Christian character. So far, in every case, it has been the complainers who have been disciplined, fired, or even run out of the church. " </i><br /><br />It's not about "Christian Behavior". It's about Power, Control, Authority, and members "knowing their place" - which means "just tithe and shut up already." <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51536507994265165172018-07-06T17:02:46.877-07:002018-07-06T17:02:46.877-07:00Heh! That reminded me of an old Jewish buddy of mi...Heh! That reminded me of an old Jewish buddy of mine and his one dating rule for the ladies: “If your lips have touched swine, they won’t touch mine!”<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11937188834688169732018-07-06T16:57:40.518-07:002018-07-06T16:57:40.518-07:00According to 'The subtle power of spiritual ab...According to 'The subtle power of spiritual abuse,' bible college students are taught how to 'act' as pastors (Page 131, 'Image is everything'). For instance, they are told to never cross their legs when sitting, or allow the soles of their shoes to show. They must appear to be right and know all the answers. So theatrics is the norm with Christianity, going back all the way to the Pharisees with their modified robes and fake public prayers.<br /><br />I don't believe this is completely wrong as school teachers are taught something similar, called role play by psychologists. It's the all image, and no substance, combined with abuse that's the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15271033457958221472018-07-06T12:08:55.342-07:002018-07-06T12:08:55.342-07:00WHAT?? Associating with, even working cooperativel...WHAT?? Associating with, even working cooperatively with ham-eating, Sunday-keeping, cross-worshipping people? Willingly? HOW CAN THIS BE, BRETHREN? :)RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56204955444847044842018-07-06T11:58:31.924-07:002018-07-06T11:58:31.924-07:00Ciesielka is one of the most vain, egotistical, ps...<i>Ciesielka is one of the most vain, egotistical, pseudo-intellects I have ever known. He thinks he's pretty great but he's not. Add to that his greediness for power and head-pats from his higher-ups in combination with his lack of Christian character and you end up with a pile of poo.</i><br /><br />LCG members and even employees have gone to the higher-ups to complain about Ciesielka's lack of Christian character. So far, in every case, it has been the complainers who have been disciplined, fired, or even run out of the church. What power does Ciesielka have over the top LCG leadership? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9017550902439268502018-07-06T11:55:43.395-07:002018-07-06T11:55:43.395-07:00Hosts comment reminds me of Ron Dart sitting in a ...Hosts comment reminds me of Ron Dart sitting in a hotel foyer after Unleavened bread service and a guy dressed up in a bugs bunny suit carrying a Easter basket with eggs walked past. Ron Dart remarked and they think we are weird. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84622024980267606182018-07-06T11:26:22.303-07:002018-07-06T11:26:22.303-07:00We must also remember that Armstrongites are peopl...We must also remember that Armstrongites are people with strong viewpoints which would normally prevent them from blending or fitting in with others. It’s no secret that individuals or small groups in our current era can often be powerless if running up against the various controlling collectives which exist. Often, for survival, they would need a larger collective to advocate for them. In such cases, strategy involves at least superficially aligning oneself or one’s group with a collective which is as close a match as possible, concentrating on common ground rather than obvious differences. Disingenuous or not, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” encapsulates this strategy nicely.<br /><br />The alliances which these ACOg groups are choosing vary widely. Mark Armstrong, based on his weekly newsletters, seems to have aligned himself with the alt.right and white nationalists. Gerald Flurry seems to be attempting to align himself with the types of people once cultivated by HWA. Vic Kubik has been in league with international charities for years. And of course, the classic: GCI and the Evangelicals.<br /><br />If the wagons are ever circled in the future, as some of these groups expect, the friends these folks have made over the years will excuse and translate the weirdness for the general public, unless something along the lines of Waco or Guyana takes place. Even so, although their crosses pissed off LCg ministers and therefore the LCg members, the Christian community indulged in an outpour of support for LCg immediately following the tragic events in Wisconsin. <br /><br />We’ve all been programmed to see Armstrongites as being rigid I-O thinkers, oblivious to the concept of compromise. For the movement to get to the next level, and for it to shed its largely cultic practices, more openness and exposure are required. Perhaps this NRB convention is a start?<br /><br />BB<br /><br /><br />Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64877132501811769942018-07-06T10:24:11.519-07:002018-07-06T10:24:11.519-07:00Ron Dart mentioned how he had considered joining a...Ron Dart mentioned how he had considered joining a Christian broadcast group. Everything looked okay, including tolerance of the non-mainstream doctrines of his own organization. However, the one condition the group had that stopped Ron from joining was that members must be Trinitarian.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29038243761114731972018-07-06T09:57:01.692-07:002018-07-06T09:57:01.692-07:00Ciesielka is one of the most vain, egotistical, ps...Ciesielka is one of the most vain, egotistical, pseudo-intellects I have ever known. He thinks he's pretty great but he's not. Add to that his greediness for power and head-pats from his higher-ups in combination with his lack of Christian character and you end up with a pile of poo.<br /><br />He personifies your typical LCG minister. Out of touch, judgmental and power hungry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82515721459197413772018-07-06T09:08:00.467-07:002018-07-06T09:08:00.467-07:00NEO
Religion and the Arts are situated in the sam...NEO<br /><br />Religion and the Arts are situated in the same part of the brain.<br />As a matter of fact they might be the same although differing in expression.<br /><br />A catholic mass would not consist without the theatre. As a matter of fact. Most art is patroned by that church. Armstrongism turned from extremely fundamentalist protestantism (look at the song book in the thirties) to catholic idolizing flurryism, look at the stones and bones. Armstrongism might be among the most theatrical of protestantism therefore. Although the former Anglican Church is more theatrical/catholic in their mass, and the millions of BI adherents it ones had. NOTHING beats the "KING and I" and other musicals, Barber shop quartet, Tevje, Pirates of Penzance. Oklahoma etc etc etc MASS of WCG.<br /><br />nck<br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9350227003890188312018-07-06T07:56:46.601-07:002018-07-06T07:56:46.601-07:00A phenomenon that is illustrated in a bunch of the...A phenomenon that is illustrated in a bunch of the recent threads is the marriage of Millerism with theatrics. This marriage seems to be a particularly Armstrongist pursuit. <br /><br />The belief that a stone has some divine bona fides is a little creepy - bordering on the occult. But it makes great theater to the followers of this carefully orchestrated yarn. It is not as good as "Ancient Aliens" on the History Channel but it is of the same genre. I assume both attract the same kind of audience. (I have wondered if you surveyed Armstrongists, one would find that most are watchers of Ancient Aliens.)<br /><br />Showing up at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention, again, is a form of theatrics. It plays well with the base. It is legitimizing. It keeps the tithes flowing. It makes the followers feel like they are a part of something really big.<br /><br />Theatrics has always been a part of Armstrongism - it is something that seems to have originated in the salesmanship of HWA (one must remember that he was not a theologian but a salesman chasing a dollar)and then augmented through the use of media. What are the Armstrongist leaders if not actors?<br /><br />Armstrongism could be defined as Millerism plus theatrics. I remember some of the stage productions at AC/BS. It was easy to be convinced that Andy Hardy and his girlfriend were hanging around somewhere in the Field House yelling "Let's put on a show!!" to solve every problem. <br /><br />David Koresh put on a really fascinating Millerite show - high drama. For the cultie, it had everything - the End of the Age, Christ Returning, Koresh being resurrected, special knowledge of the Seven Seals of Revelation, persecution, a place of safety and prophecy being fulfilled right now today and "we're an important part of it." <br /><br />The Koresh theater (like GTA, Koresh had a proclivity to play guitar and sing through he leaned towards Rock music instead of Country and Western) was glib and absorbing until it turned into a regrettable reality of gunshots and incendiaries. But other than the Branch Davidians and the Armstrongists, Millerism does not use theatrics much - at least I could not find much by researching the web. <br /><br />So the Armstrongist thespians will play on to the cheers of the audience hungry for self-importance and willing to pay - all the world is a stage. <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65178034735416632612018-07-06T06:09:42.808-07:002018-07-06T06:09:42.808-07:00Byker Bob,
It is true that Wyatt Ciesielka went t...Byker Bob,<br /><br />It is true that Wyatt Ciesielka went to Liberty University...not only with LCG's blessing but also they encouraged him to do so, so that he would have a (more) credible qualification in order to teach subjects at their laughable Living University. He was not the only one that was encouraged to do this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57111503141923965622018-07-06T05:50:25.199-07:002018-07-06T05:50:25.199-07:00Gerald should attend the seminar offered at the NR...Gerald should attend the seminar offered at the NRB on "Preaching the Gospel by Actually Knowing What the Gospel Is" DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.com