tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5027740595993896510..comments2024-03-28T14:31:26.820-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Sabbath Sex Is WRONG! And so is Passover Sex and Holy Day Sex!!!!!!!!!!!NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84080006680739065552018-03-18T09:36:50.237-07:002018-03-18T09:36:50.237-07:00Isn't yelling out "Oh, God!" showing...Isn't yelling out "Oh, God!" showing just how much you're worshiping Him while doing it? Just curious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52635679189181579052018-03-16T16:27:06.639-07:002018-03-16T16:27:06.639-07:00Happy sabbath everyone! Hope you get lots of sex...Happy sabbath everyone! Hope you get lots of sex in the upcoming 24 hours!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73297592919356197882018-03-16T10:01:21.564-07:002018-03-16T10:01:21.564-07:00Jewish sites and SDA sites have some interesting s...Jewish sites and SDA sites have some interesting scripturally based perspectives. Before making any sort of decision, it’s probably wise to have second or third opinions.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12914499187901165802018-03-16T09:47:34.287-07:002018-03-16T09:47:34.287-07:00I don't know what the obsession is with what ...I don't know what the obsession is with what a person does or does not do in bed on the sabbath?! I know people in the Seventh Day Baptist & Church of God (Seventh Day) and I don't want to know if they are having Sabbath sex. 790 Loved Kainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-33299500240618972672018-03-16T07:16:41.306-07:002018-03-16T07:16:41.306-07:00I can understand not having sex on Atonement, or P...I can understand not having sex on Atonement, or Passover, due to the solemn nature of those days. The thing is, considering how men were schooled in treating their wives in Armstrongism, how much sex was actually going on?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28630230444216718212018-03-16T07:13:46.265-07:002018-03-16T07:13:46.265-07:00Next topic. Thinking about Millerite sex hang-ups...Next topic. Thinking about Millerite sex hang-ups is dismal. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7380634053331617392018-03-16T06:03:11.202-07:002018-03-16T06:03:11.202-07:00Ever notice how old barren women give birth to imp...Ever notice how old barren women give birth to important men in the Bible but young teen beauties give birth to gods? I suspect since gods are very busy during the week, 24/7 that Mary felt a slight "poof" signaling the inoculated conception either just after sunset on a Sabbath, when the gods tend also to rest or between services during Unleavened Bread 9 months before Christmas. So I think this answers the posting nicely. However, I could be mistaken. I wasn't there but there were rumors at the time. DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54497110665563467652018-03-16T05:40:32.512-07:002018-03-16T05:40:32.512-07:00While I don't remember the topic of the sermon...While I don't remember the topic of the sermon, I recall the minister injecting a "No sex on the Sabbath!" supposedly from the wife - perhaps a WCG version of <i>having a headache</i>.<br /><br />Some years ago on a post about the Day of Atonement, I commented that observant Jews will not have coitus on that day, along with not bathing, and not wearing anything leather.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18140939809047550172018-03-15T23:07:43.052-07:002018-03-15T23:07:43.052-07:00"...but the ACOG ministry does not really bel..."...but the ACOG ministry does not really believe that God has given non-ministers enough of the Holy Spirit to function without ministerial guidance."<br /><br /><br />how ironic that a good many lay members have a much better understanding of the critical things than the ministers.<br /><br /><br />an apparently Malm thinks sex is dirty....hmm, is he actually Catholic?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74847437872585390952018-03-15T22:01:55.516-07:002018-03-15T22:01:55.516-07:008:48
I apologize if it appeared I was condemning ...8:48<br /><br />I apologize if it appeared I was condemning the victims. I do know that there are a lot of complications that can make the decision very difficult. I know many are trapped. I should have phrased it a little differently so it didn't lump everything and everyone together. Everyone has different circumstances. I was wrong, and apologize if it seemed cold and uncaring, and actually, callous. Absolutely no condemnation was intended. <br /><br />I was one of the abused. I know the difficulties involved. So again, this came out a little broader, and colder than I had hoped, and for those who may have been offended at the tone or the implication, I hope you understand my intentions were not directed at your specific situation, simply meant to speak generally, which did not come out right at all. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22236422167153420532018-03-15T21:38:37.607-07:002018-03-15T21:38:37.607-07:00Anon 6:28
Your spot onAnon 6:28<br />Your spot onAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2217873801513111992018-03-15T20:48:26.545-07:002018-03-15T20:48:26.545-07:008.07 PM
Nice write up except that you don't un...8.07 PM<br />Nice write up except that you don't understand that people are often trapped and cannot escape for a variety of reasons. It's not as simple as walking away. There are many web sites on abuse, and I suggest you read up on the topic before condemning the victims. <br /><br />This isn't unique to Armstrongism. If a baptized member of the JWs leave their church, their family members treat them like lepers. Suicide sometimes results. It's not as simple as you make out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6515402316301700942018-03-15T20:21:47.990-07:002018-03-15T20:21:47.990-07:00What kind of a sick f..k is James Malm? These sic...What kind of a sick f..k is James Malm? These sick degenerate men are typical of the COG asses who think they can lord their opinions over others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3753741817577631422018-03-15T20:07:00.593-07:002018-03-15T20:07:00.593-07:006:28 -
If they have pretend authority, then it...6:28 -<br /><br />If they have pretend authority, then it's a pretend church. And if you spend your time at a pretend church who issues pretend prophecies while standing at a lectern with their pretend authority, and you sit there and take it warming a seat, then all the pretending isn't just pretending. It's affecting in a very real way your life for something out of the Neighborhood of Make Believe. <br /><br />The verbally bashing and the verbally tearing down is abuse, and it's wrong. One needs to think about why they do this. Is it power? Is it to maintain control over your life? Is it to ensure you're always submissive? I think it's all of those things. But the main thing I think it is has to do with what HWA has always said - government. <br /><br />That desire to rule, to control, to own you, while using scriptures to justify and feed their thirst for power, is combined with the lust and control of money to produce what can only be called pure wickedness. The deceptive "spell" they put you in there which forces you into your chair to just sit there and "take it" is classic abuse techniques. The abused always feel helpless against the abuser. <br /><br />When you realize just how wicked the whole thing is - using scriptures and the name of God in cunning and deceptive ways, claiming it's God's way while lives are piece by piece being slowly destroyed - it's a slow, depressing, and painful path where the carrot is always dangling in front of the horse's mouth. And when the promises that are constantly promised do not appear because they honestly always get it wrong, what happens is disillusionment, hopelessness, despair, and eventually a move to agnosticism and atheism. <br /><br />Yes, you're right. They do exactly what you said they do. Bash you, tear you down, and control you. Sadly, most COG'ers who endure the wrath and cunning deception of seasoned COG ministers just sit there, take it, and then say the time old excuse:<br /><br />"Where else can I go?"<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56116989430207919822018-03-15T18:28:19.537-07:002018-03-15T18:28:19.537-07:002.40 PM
Refuse to answer ministers questions, and ...2.40 PM<br />Refuse to answer ministers questions, and many a minister will verbally bash you or tear you down, while hiding being the skirts of their pretend authority. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36398553278519561992018-03-15T17:58:02.931-07:002018-03-15T17:58:02.931-07:00Has Malm the legalist ruled yet on which sexual po...Has Malm the legalist ruled yet on which sexual positions are the only approved sexual positions allowed by the Armstrong Churches of God?<br /><br />Richard Lake of Fire Church of Godnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9316785171350513752018-03-15T17:28:17.643-07:002018-03-15T17:28:17.643-07:00I have to respond to an old post that we already g...I have to respond to an old post that we already galloped by. Humor me, please. <br />A couple of topics ago (Diehl on Kennewick), a post from Anonymous supporting the idea that the flood happened around 4,500 BC provided a link that indicated that there was a change in races in Europe around 4,500 BC. <br /><br />I reviewed the article on the Live Science website and it was interesting but in no way supported the idea of a global flood. What happened was that around 4,500 BC, haplogroup H people were replaced in Western Europe by the people we find in Europe now - haplogroups R1a, R1b, I and G. But the haplogroup H people are still very much around. They did not perish in a global flood. All this was, was a population displacement. Like the Europeans running the Native Americans out of the eastern part of North America. <br /><br />Pardon me for brining this up again but I could not let it go unanswered. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-19474575126345177012018-03-15T16:46:30.124-07:002018-03-15T16:46:30.124-07:00"@ 2:40 PM, you have apparently never been &q...<i> "@ 2:40 PM, you have apparently never been "counseled" by Rod McNair. Answer, or get booted out of the church!" </i><br /><br />I'd be out the door before his boot would even be raised. The only power the powerless have is to deceive you into thinking they have power. The only power they have is what you give them. If a church tries to invade every aspect of your life including what happens between the sheets, then being booted out would probably be, in the long term, the best thing that could happen. <br /><br />And then, you think, "why in the heck did I give Rod McNair so much power?" And then contemplate exactly that statement and realize the truth of it. I think all of us that have departed from the COG's have come to ask those same questions about those who were ministers "over" us. <br /><br />The reality is, the worst they can ever do is tell you to leave. Then, you, perhaps for the first time, can begin your new path and use the brain you have been blessed with for good, without the burdens, the guilt - and you get thirty percent more of your money to take care of your spouse and kids. No, it's not easy. Yes, it's traumatic. Yes, you will lose your friends. Yes, there are serious hurdles to work through, some, for a very very long time. But as they say in the field of medicine - "the benefits outweigh the risks". And what follows is for those who believe in God:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> - yes, He still loves you, and NO, you're not going to be destroyed spiritually for leaving a controlling and burdening physical organization. Anyone who thinks or believes OR preaches that that does not understand the power of love or the depth of God's grace, or know the Gospel. He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8719805337044792842018-03-15T16:07:12.327-07:002018-03-15T16:07:12.327-07:00Of course it's not wrong to have sex on the sa...Of course it's not wrong to have sex on the sabbath! You are supposed to make the sabbath a delight! So by all means hop into bed with your spouse and enjoy the f**k out of the sabbath!David Rickmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78717548519694391702018-03-15T15:52:55.501-07:002018-03-15T15:52:55.501-07:00James Malm uses a different Bible than most of us ...James Malm uses a different Bible than most of us if he is relying on Exodus 19:50, because Exodus 19:50 is nowhere found in the King James Version.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9643157178780034112018-03-15T15:31:43.335-07:002018-03-15T15:31:43.335-07:00The Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 did not make it a...The Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 did not make it a requirement that Gentiles abide by the regulations of cleanness and uncleanness. So the requirement being imposed here is not a demand of the NT but a matter of manner and custom - or church administration. <br /><br />Someone may prohibit sex under certain conditions because it is a matter of physical uncleanness (the OT has such a regulation). Someone else may encourage sex under these same conditions because of the symbolic or spiritual meaning it reflects. Neither viewpont has decisive support from scripture that I can see. Neither viewpoint is more than a viewpoint. <br /><br />Where regulation of sex becomes an alarming issue is if this is being done to exert control. David Koresh imposed sexual regulations on his followers. He dissolved all the marriages and he had free and unfettered access to everyone's ex-wives and daughters. He found purported justification in the Bible for this. He may have been simply lustful but I doubt it. I think he was testing the obedience of his followers.<br />He wanted them all to drink the kool-aid periodically and over many issues to intensify their submission to him. It seemed to have worked. Many of his people followed him to death. <br /><br />Another issue is if this viewpoint is given theological standing such as claiming that since such a prohibition was in the OT that it is binding on Christians today. That would be a blatant heresy. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29429689448427004472018-03-15T15:17:21.662-07:002018-03-15T15:17:21.662-07:00And now for a serious comment ...
Well, if anyo...And now for a serious comment ... <br /> <br />Well, if anyone ever again accuses Malm of being a Pharisee they have to explain why the Talmud is so liberal on sex that it approves of lesbianism, pedophilia, marrying toddlers, etc. <br /> <br />http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_2.html <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83873089709709791902018-03-15T15:12:03.185-07:002018-03-15T15:12:03.185-07:00@ 2:40 PM, you have apparently never been "co...@ 2:40 PM, you have apparently never been "counseled" by Rod McNair. Answer, or get booted out of the church!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36769022738365512502018-03-15T14:40:44.195-07:002018-03-15T14:40:44.195-07:001:08:
I understand the analogy that you are tryin...1:08:<br /><br />I understand the analogy that you are trying to present. However, may I just present also a few words to describe my reaction to such analogy:<br /><br /><b> Ew, Yuck, Gross, Blech, Heck No, Sick, Never, Patooey, Gag, Wretch, and HACK. </b><br /><br />In addition, I would like to say firmly this:<br /><br />It is NO ONE'S BUSINESS to meddle into a couple's private life for ANY reason. Not Malm, not a minister, not a church,nor family nor friend - nobody. What a couple decides to do and when someone decides to do private things is a private matter between them and God. <b> NO ONE </b> has any business or right to begin to try to tell people what to do in the most intimate area of their lives. <br /><br />Anyone who allows such people to meddle isn't standing up for the rights of their marriage and family, or for the good of their relationship.<br /><br />If a minister tries to meddle, asks questions, or does something to "check" if you're observing "the Law" properly in this regard.... it's none of their business, and you have the right to not answer that question. It's between you and your spouse and God. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77777974047946201542018-03-15T14:19:30.573-07:002018-03-15T14:19:30.573-07:00Synoptic Jesus is an extreme ascetic. If anyone we...Synoptic Jesus is an extreme ascetic. If anyone were ever to have ever taken his word for it ever, HWA, and none of the ministers in the Armstrongist movement are anywhere in the neighborhood of making through the "eye" of that "needle." (Did I remember to say ever?) They, extreme ascetic James Malm included, have never given all they had to the poor. In fact, they have manfestly always done the polar opposite of that, demand that poor people give to them instead.<br /><br />Nevertheless, the christian movement <i>has</i> always been ascetic when it comes to sex, even if they've steadfastly refused to follow the rest of synoptic Jesus' acetic teachings. If it weren't necessary for the survival of christianity and the human species, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that catholicism in particular could have demanded, based upon Matthew 19:11-12, celibacy for everyone, not just clergy. In fact, the catholic church from the start right through the middle ages wanted nothing to do with the concession to sex that is marriage, they didn't see matrimony as holy, they didn't sanction or license them, and they wouldn't allow weddings to be performed in churches. Consequently, marriage was, until relatively recently, a civil matter, not a religious one. It was only as their power began to fade that they realized that taking over marriage provides an extra controlling hook parishioners' lives and a source of revenue for their dwindling coffers.<br /><br />So it's no surprise then that Malm, while soliciting handouts on the one hand, should hypocritically try to enforce other biblical asceticisms. And while I don't predict he'll make himself a eunuch anytime soon, if he did, I don't think any of us should be too surprised. <br /><br />Even less surprising would be if he just demanded that others do so, while special pleading that he should be granted an exception. In fact, it's almost more surprising that he hasn't already done this.Percy Q. Tednoreply@blogger.com