tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5065277357159475893..comments2024-03-28T18:01:17.200-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: UCG: Its All Fluffy Cotton Candy Except in Canada Where Another Church Has Split OffNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-19418953842422166152016-06-10T14:18:39.757-07:002016-06-10T14:18:39.757-07:00There is not 36 people in that congregation. There...There is not 36 people in that congregation. There are less than 20. Probably 12 is a good day. And many of them drive in for an hour or so just like in the WCG hayday when there were 150 (on a good day) in that congregation. The larger number is probably the maximum they had ever with the most visitors. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86866743468747372192016-05-12T23:43:58.619-07:002016-05-12T23:43:58.619-07:00Your gut feeling is correct. You are wise to be co...Your gut feeling is correct. You are wise to be concerned. They are changing things it's in your face in the ucg congregation where I am. Deacons and so called long standing brethren where openly ordering leaven meals on the 1st hh day of UB this year. They are changing it could be as soon as feast of Trumpets. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15958251891166430472016-05-11T21:31:22.577-07:002016-05-11T21:31:22.577-07:00to anonymous
of May 11, 2016 at 8:45 AM
Are you r...to anonymous<br />of May 11, 2016 at 8:45 AM<br /><br />Are you responding to my post of May 10, 2016 at 6:04 PM?<br />Without real names ans references it can be hard to tell. In any case I don't understand your drift. I don't think I suggested we should "....obey magistrates when they ask us to do something evil". "....or against our conscious." Maybe 'against our conscience' could be debatable but I can't suggest any examples.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6228096292485801772016-05-11T08:45:48.414-07:002016-05-11T08:45:48.414-07:00Let me quote from a book on abusive Christianity. ...Let me quote from a book on abusive Christianity. I am hesitant to give the name, since it also describes evil ploys.<br /><br />"The second Greek word for "obey" is peitho, which means to "persuade, to win over," and in the passive and middle voices, "to be persuaded, to listen to." Again, this is not our modern understanding of "obey." In another place, peitho is translated "obey" in Hebrew 13:17 "obey your leaders and submit to their authority." (I could only find two versions that insert the word "authority," the New International and the J.B. Phillips; it is not found in the Greek texts, which can cause more confusion.) Here, "obey" means "to listen to your leaders and if they win you by persuasion then yield to this advice." This is much different than the sense of "absolute obedience," that is often poured into this passage. <br />The third Greek word peitharcheo, most closely resembles our modern English understanding of "obey." It is only used four times in the New Testament. It appears in Acts 5:29 "but Peter and the Apostles answered and said "we must obey God rather than men." In the Vines dictionary, peitharcheo is translated, "to obey one in authority." You will find this term in Titus 3:1 "put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers , to obey magistrates, to be ready to do every good work." Here again, "obey" is qualified: we obey to be ready for only good works! The context implies that we don't obey magistrates when they ask us to do something evil or against our conscious." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36738159496008129782016-05-10T18:04:41.529-07:002016-05-10T18:04:41.529-07:00on May 10, 2016 at 8:52 AM
anonymous wrote:-
&quo...on May 10, 2016 at 8:52 AM<br />anonymous wrote:-<br /><br />" The Greek work 'obey' that is used in Hebrew 13.17 obey them... appears only once in the new testament,..."<br /><br />Strong's<br />G3982<br /><br />πείθω<br />peithō<br />pi'-tho<br />A primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty): - <b>agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.</b><br /><br /><b>see also Phi_2:12, Phi_2:29; 1Th_5:12-13; 2Th_3:14; 1Ti_5:17 - for more than one derivative.</b><br /><br />also<br />"Hence this translation is incorrect."<br />"this rigged translation."<br /><br />and are you saying that yours is? Do you read and speak Greek? <br /><br />also<br />"Considering the possible meanings of this word, the correct translation is 'be persuaded by the example of your teachers"<br /><br />Why? Hebrew is not Greek nor, conversely, Greek - Hebrew.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.f<br />ps. Looking back over all that I think I need to ask-"Just what is the difference?"<br />That is, between obey and "be persuaded by your teachers".<br /><br />From Meriam-Webster<br /><b>Main Entry:obey</b><br />Pronunciation:*-*b*, *-<br />Function:verb <br />Inflected Form:obeyed ; obey£ing <br />Etymology:Middle English obeien, from Old French obeir, from Latin oboedire, from ob- toward + -oedire (akin to audire to hear)— more at OB-, AUDIBLE<br />Date:14th century<br /><br />transitive senses <br /><b>1 : to follow the commands or guidance of</b><br /><i>(ie."be persuaded by your teachers"</i>) insert mine.<br />2 : to conform to or comply with *obey an order* *falling objects obey the laws of physics*<br />intransitive senses : to behave obediently<br /> –obey£er nounRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38109611483242862442016-05-10T17:01:36.166-07:002016-05-10T17:01:36.166-07:00on May 10, 2016 at 11:51 AM
DBP wrote:-
"I h...on May 10, 2016 at 11:51 AM<br />DBP wrote:-<br /><br />"I have one.<br />Jesus is not bound by man's law.<br />But, we all are bound by the laws of the Universe."<br /><br />Is that a yes or a no? LOL<br />(MAT17:24-27)<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42012300651684307962016-05-10T16:54:32.581-07:002016-05-10T16:54:32.581-07:00on May 10, 2016 at 9:01 AM
anonymous wrote:-
&quo...on May 10, 2016 at 9:01 AM<br />anonymous wrote:-<br /><br />"....you have the e-sword biblical program, so punch in the word hate in the search feature. God hates evil people. Don't play stupid, look up the scriptures."<br /><br />I have and I did and can't find what you suggest. Can you point me to at least one scripture?<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84589510414911616042016-05-10T11:52:42.165-07:002016-05-10T11:52:42.165-07:00"However, be cautious as to whom you submit!&..."However, be cautious as to whom you submit!"<br /><br />True.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83643542648788780522016-05-10T11:51:36.560-07:002016-05-10T11:51:36.560-07:00"....if Jesus broke a traffic law, would you ..."....if Jesus broke a traffic law, would you give him a ticket?"<br /><br />Ralph said, a simple rhetorical question to which there is no answer.<br /><br />I have one. <br />Jesus is not bound by man's law. <br />But, we all are bound by the laws of the Universe. <br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81196886447464688192016-05-10T09:01:41.738-07:002016-05-10T09:01:41.738-07:00Ralf, you have the e-sword biblical program, so pu...Ralf, you have the e-sword biblical program, so punch in the word hate in the search feature. God hates evil people. Don't play stupid, look up the scriptures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4878409867673417952016-05-10T08:56:58.793-07:002016-05-10T08:56:58.793-07:00If Christ broke a traffic law, would I give Him a ...If Christ broke a traffic law, would I give Him a ticket? Why if course not. I would instead ask Him if he could make me 20 years younger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56871785106884934282016-05-10T08:52:10.420-07:002016-05-10T08:52:10.420-07:00Ralf, there you again. You waste your time on the ...Ralf, there you again. You waste your time on the sacred name thingy, instead of studying your bible. The Greek work 'obey' that is used in Hebrew 13.17 obey them... appears only once in the new testament, yet the word 'obey' appears 26 times in the new testament. Why would the holy spirit inspire this unique word, if only to have it translated 'obey.' Hence this translation is incorrect. Considering the possible meanings of this word, the correct translation is 'be persuaded by the example of your teachers.'<br />I find it hard to believe this to be a honest mistake. It seems like someone didn't believe that the bible gave enough power to the priests, hence this rigged translation. It's like the work Ekklesia being mis-translated church rather than congregation. And how the ministry love to hit church members over the head with this verse, rubbing in their bogus lording authority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73124329815554334522016-05-10T05:42:01.237-07:002016-05-10T05:42:01.237-07:00on May 9, 2016 at 9:18 PM
DBP wrote:-
"....i...on May 9, 2016 at 9:18 PM<br />DBP wrote:-<br /><br />"....if Jesus broke a traffic law, would you give him a ticket?"<br /><br />A simple rhetorical question to which there is no answer. Something along the lines of:-<br />"What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?"<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.f <br /><br />ps. see:-<br />"Tit_3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, <b>to obey magistrates</b>, to be ready to every good work,"<br />and<br />"Heb_13:17 <b>Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves:</b> for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." (AKJ)<br />However, be cautious as to whom you submit!Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59904895964347122552016-05-10T05:25:13.604-07:002016-05-10T05:25:13.604-07:00on May 9, 2016 at 7:36 PM
anonymous wrote:-
"...on May 9, 2016 at 7:36 PM<br />anonymous wrote:-<br /><br />"....hate might lead to murder? Well so might anger."<br /><br />Maybe it could, if you let it get beyond control, however:<br />"Eph_4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: <b>let not the sun go down upon your wrath</b>(AKJ)<br /><br />also:<br />"So should we ban anger as well."<br />What a great idea!! Unfortunately or otherwise, people are people, if you get my drift.<br /><br />also:<br />"People listen to sermons for decades, read umpteen church articles for decades, and yet are morally confused."<br /><br />So true, yet so few go personally to the source of such material. Surely there they will find a totally different story. I'm convinced that too many people accept the unquestioned opinions of others instead of forming their own.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56530041089842328922016-05-10T05:12:22.833-07:002016-05-10T05:12:22.833-07:00on May 9, 2016 at 7:27 PM
anonymous wrote:-
"...on May 9, 2016 at 7:27 PM<br />anonymous wrote:-<br /><br />"It is not a sin to hate evil people. The book of Psalms mentions this several times."<br /><br />Where? And what do you consider to be 'evil'?<br /><br />also:<br />"....evil people have a negative self image that includes self hatred. This is involuntary, that is, from God."<br /><br />How so?<br /><br />also:<br />"And who are the people that say don't hate? Why evil people if course. Surprise, surprise."<br /><br />Huh?? It was Jesus who said:-<br />"Mat_5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. <br />Mat_5:44 <b>But I say unto you</b>, Love your enemies, <i>(do not hate them)</i> bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" (AKJ - italics mine)<br /><br />Are you suggesting Jesus was/is evil? Maybe you should do some homework.Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84021881258954663192016-05-10T04:20:57.983-07:002016-05-10T04:20:57.983-07:00Anon said, "The truth is that unless the UCG ...Anon said, "The truth is that unless the UCG becomes mainstream it will continue to slowly fade away. Armstrongism is a shrinking religion." <br />Isn't mainstream Christianity also a shrinking religion? The number of former church members, referred to as "dones" (as in "I'm done with organized religion") has grown dramatically. The "dones" haven't given up on Christianity, but on "the church."Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22661891566998479052016-05-10T04:10:46.684-07:002016-05-10T04:10:46.684-07:009.21 PM There were many people running wild and ...9.21 PM There were many people running wild and out of control, when I attended services in the 1980s. I would describe these as a large minority. They pulled their punches when we had a reasonable minister, but the gloves came off when we had a evil minister. To these people, church was the happy hunting ground, all these victims in one place at the same time. They were like a hungry dog in a butcher shop. <br />It's heart warming to think that God will not allow these people into the kingdom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38777173122649363402016-05-09T21:21:26.273-07:002016-05-09T21:21:26.273-07:00"Any doctrinal changes that anyone wants are ...<i>"Any doctrinal changes that anyone wants are already effectively there in the UCG for anyone who wants them. Look around and notice all the godlessness and confusion that already exists in the UCG. Each person already does as they please, breaking whatever laws of man or of God that they feel like. In the UCG, each person has already been permitted to run wild and out of control, each in their own time, and at their own pace, and in their own direction"</i><br /><br />Interesting. Your observation about UCG is exactly my observation about COGWA since I started attending a COGWA congregation 2 years ago. COGWA is no better....in some way they are much, much worse.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50331610206391171372016-05-09T21:18:58.364-07:002016-05-09T21:18:58.364-07:00Ralph, if Jesus broke a traffic law, would you giv...Ralph, if Jesus broke a traffic law, would you give him a ticket? <br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78994505689169357102016-05-09T19:36:40.021-07:002016-05-09T19:36:40.021-07:00Ralf, hate might lead to murder? Well so might ang...Ralf, hate might lead to murder? Well so might anger. So should we ban anger as well. People listen to sermons for decades, read umpteen church articles for decades, and yet are morally confused. It's all Kenneth Copeland religious mumbo jumbo slop. And the ministers claim that their sermons are like manna from heaven. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61802663537712504202016-05-09T19:27:28.511-07:002016-05-09T19:27:28.511-07:00Ralf, do your homework. It is not a sin to hate ev...Ralf, do your homework. It is not a sin to hate evil people. The book of Psalms mentions this several times. Consider that evil people have a negative self image that includes self hatred. This is involuntary, that is, from God.<br />And who are the people that say don't hate? Why evil people if course. Surprise, surprise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26163781732635421692016-05-09T18:50:04.672-07:002016-05-09T18:50:04.672-07:00The truth is that unless the UCG becomes mainstrea...The truth is that unless the UCG becomes mainstream it will continue to slowly fade away. Armstrongism is a shrinking religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39714256236746565402016-05-09T18:24:33.646-07:002016-05-09T18:24:33.646-07:00Topic tail cartoon:-
"Come to me, all ye who...Topic tail cartoon:-<br /><br />"Come to me, all ye who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rules!" to live by that will ensure a happy and normal life, without fear. Rules such as driving on the right hand side of the road so that you are not likely to be killed or injured in a head on collision. Rules such as not hating anyone that might lead to you murdering them which could then result in you losing your own life, especially in states such as Alabama, Florida, Georgia and others.<br />There are a few other rules but you can search them out for yourself, they are readily obtainable and you'll find it simple to adjust to them. <br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34838030625883929892016-05-09T15:41:22.742-07:002016-05-09T15:41:22.742-07:00Anonymous at 3:29 AM said...
“As a member of the ...<br /><i>Anonymous at 3:29 AM said...<br /><br />“As a member of the UCG I as many others are concerned that the UCG maybe heading for major doctrinal changes similar to the 1995 changes in the WCG. There are rumors going around that changes are coming soon that would change the UCG into a mainstream Christian church.”</i><br /><br /><br />There is no need to wait for an official announcement, like the WCG's writeup in its January 1995 <i>Worldwide News</i> newspaper that everything has been changed. Any doctrinal changes that anyone wants are already effectively there in the UCG for anyone who wants them. Look around and notice all the godlessness and confusion that already exists in the UCG. Each person already does as they please, breaking whatever laws of man or of God that they feel like. In the UCG, each person has already been permitted to run wild and out of control, each in their own time, and at their own pace, and in their own direction. Instead of trying to force everyone to change in exactly the same way and at exactly the same time like the WCG's sudden January 1995 Tkach apostasy tried, the individual UCG members/attendees are becoming totally godless on their own. Why publicly announce it?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78535944419021777192016-05-09T15:37:35.558-07:002016-05-09T15:37:35.558-07:00Header cartoon states:-
"I abolished outdate...Header cartoon states:-<br /><br />"I abolished outdated oppressive laws thousands of years old and liberated people from them. Why aren't you doing the same thing?"<br /><br />Discounting tithing of any kind and circumcision of male infants, can anyone tell me which COG's are demanding continual daily burnt sacrifices and other such physical ordinances? Those things that were "contrary to us". <i>(AKJ Col2:14)</i><br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.com