tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5188232389309563365..comments2024-03-28T07:15:19.938-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: More Books by COG Members (updated)NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40276589323316412292016-01-25T01:02:25.473-08:002016-01-25T01:02:25.473-08:00I cannot for lack of time provide fact check for a...I cannot for lack of time provide fact check for all the hundreds of things I said.<br />Please re read my last posting and feel free to ask 2 questions. <br />Of course it will be easier to provide quick reference to facts I posted since the other 20% are personal ideas that I originally intended to be discussed. I assumed the facts were a given.<br /><br />Another reason I did/do not provide links is that I do not want to be seen as an apologist for the armstrongs since on religion I agree 98 percent with you bb. I just don't like to direct people to armstrong information. If they so please most of what I say can be verified in 5 minutes nowadays. (even the disclosed diplomatic mail to thatcher)<br /><br />Since you specifically asked about the UN conference.<br /><br />The UN conference was held in June 1985 in San Francisco.<br />To be specific hwa attended on the 25th and 26th by special invitation.<br />At one of the dinners at the 26th in the Fairmont hotel hwa was seated next to the wife of the ambassador of the USSR. The ambassador commented that at least hwa was not so condemning of the ussr as other teleevangelists.<br />A lot of the diplomats like the French ambassador the UN, the Chinese ambassador to the UN, and presumably Perez de Cuellar commented to hwa that they had seen HWA discuss world events on the world tomorrow program..<br /><br />Since you mention Billy Graham a lot. Billy Graham when visiting China stated that he was the first christian speaker to the chinese. Most of you here would agree since they do not feel hwa was a christian, so I give you that. Of course wcg was there earlier doing the groundwork, sharing the groundplan of the ambassador auditorium for the trade center in Beijing etc.<br /><br />Now you commented that hwa was feeble. Yes he was in october 1985. But not so in June 1985.<br />The UN conference was just a stopover to the 20th anniversary of the Des Moines Church area. HWA was directing Pastor Cloninger through town and the area of his childhood as Mr Cloninger was lost in parts of town. It serves to show how clear hwa was at that time even when Des Moines had obviously changed over the years and he was just months away from his final destination.<br /><br />By the way in Des Moines he was again presented with a sword and ploughshare statue. (ussr gift to the UN) (but this is just a curious aside.<br /><br />Now do I feel this is important for the overall evaluation. No. But since you keep admitting that you don't know any of this I keep posting for enlightenment and the above stated personal purposes.<br /><br />nckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80561083204717667252016-01-25T01:02:07.877-08:002016-01-25T01:02:07.877-08:00BB.
I'll try and work on my spelling.
It is ...BB.<br /><br />I'll try and work on my spelling. <br />It is my spelling and nck sign that distinhuishes my posts from others like 4:44 who take some ideas further than I would.<br /><br />I expect no one to buy into my ideas. From my perspective it is very frustrating that it seems that people discussing hwa or wcg on this board seem to "know nothing" about it (paraphrasing your words that I seem to be the only person knowing about my statements) As I said 80 percent of what I say is taken from official publications like "the worldwide news".<br /><br />I agree that from a theological viewpoint there is no point in discussing nazi or communist leanings. My post was merely a reply to Connies comparison with Nazism.<br /><br />Personally to me it is somewhat relevant however.<br />To most a booklet like "the wonderful world tomorrow what it will be like" will be an artefact of a dying philosophy.<br /><br />To me it is alive and relevant.<br />To shed some light on my existence. I am confronted nearly every 30 seconds with decisions to allocate huge funds into programs like (water dams in the mountains of Kenya for electricity, acquiring huge agriculteral stretches in the Ethiopian highlands for large Western or Chinese companies, trying to feed billions. Evaluating the works of Monsanto or Cargill. Now I ask this question for myself. Are they doing "the work of God" is this the (secular) fulfillment of "the wonderfull world tomorrow"? Billions are being fed in comparison to the seventies. Or is it just so that the truth of the matter is that man through its companies is destroying the Rainforest, the Amazon, the Indonesian rainforest in order that you can have your cheap palm oil or genetically manipulated grains in ALL of your foods. <br /><br />I ask myself what is happening? And yes I relate that to the philosophy that was taught in my youth that it is ok to move populations in order to build that dam in the mountains of Ethiopia for electric power, to remove farmers from the plateau for large scale farming, in order to feed a hundred million Chinese, in order to involve Africa in the world economy and benefit from large scale operations like Monsanto or Cargill.<br />So there you have it. Am I doing the work of God or am I destroying the world? <br />Communist? Capitalist? So the moment I try and spell right it becomes an existential question for me instead of a joke making money and solliciting comments from my brothers. (and dare I say that Conny is not my sister for the sake of keeping something to dream for myself)<br /><br />Ok.<br />You say I do not provide foot notes or fact check. <br />Gary informed me that posts with links are likely to not slip through the system.<br />However I would be happy to provide information if asked.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90901738262006741632016-01-24T18:59:41.376-08:002016-01-24T18:59:41.376-08:00Good, Gary! You certainly accomplished your goal!...Good, Gary! You certainly accomplished your goal! This guy is dumb as a rock, but probably fantasizes that he is equal to Stephen Hawking!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81495853594090524642016-01-24T17:53:36.867-08:002016-01-24T17:53:36.867-08:00BB Sometimes people (4:44) say such stupid thing...BB Sometimes people (4:44) say such stupid things that i let them through just for the fun of it. NO2HWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60491970927991068282016-01-24T17:42:47.274-08:002016-01-24T17:42:47.274-08:00Anonymous, brown stuff is dripping out of your ear...Anonymous, brown stuff is dripping out of your ears. Next thing we know, you'll be denying the holocaust, too. Crawl back under the rock where you left your crack pipe. It misses you.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62800106925510780982016-01-24T16:46:37.481-08:002016-01-24T16:46:37.481-08:00HWA had a copy of Hitler's book? So what? It...HWA had a copy of Hitler's book? So what? It's a global bestseller and is currently flying off the shelves in Turkey and Germany. <br /><br />By the way, there is a copy of Hitler's book in your local library too. Kill the librarian!!! Kill all information!!! <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14343563443585667482016-01-24T16:44:07.794-08:002016-01-24T16:44:07.794-08:00What appalling ignorance this blog (including the ...What appalling ignorance this blog (including the arrogant know-it-all) keeps spewing out. <br /> <br />Just one example: the Russians were never communists; it was a system of State Capitalism. <br /> <br />Americans are brain washed regarding the most basic facts about everything. They even think they live in a democratic/republican system when in fact it is a plutocracy / kleptocracy. Even the liar Bernie Sanders will admit that much. <br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29725540170441855402016-01-24T13:31:06.438-08:002016-01-24T13:31:06.438-08:00Still no footnotes, still no fact check. No way o...Still no footnotes, still no fact check. No way of counter-checking or verifying. You appear to be the only one who "knows" this stuff, nck.<br /><br />The UN was founded Oct. 24, 1945. The fortieth anniversary would have been Oct. 24, 1985. HWA died approximately three months later on Jan. 16, 1986. We know that he was quite feeble, bed-ridden, heavily medicated, and often incoherent in the months leading up to his death. <br /><br />You surround these alleged facts with your own shallow, simplistic thoughts and crappy spelling and grammar, over, and over, and over, and seem to expect people to buy into them. Nobody is. Even if what you say were true, who would even care? If HWA had such influence and impact on the world around us, that wasn't wasn't what he used to ruin the lives of his wives, children, and all of us. It is downright stupid to discuss what kind of totalitarian he was, NAZI, Russian model communist, or Chinese model communist. He grabbed and borrowed from everything and everyone to build and support his power over his dumb sheep. Billy Graham had much more influence, and Billy Graham was not an ego-infested flaming asshole. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63499087995692070462016-01-24T00:27:53.013-08:002016-01-24T00:27:53.013-08:00The totalitarian model. "A christ type" ...The totalitarian model. "A christ type" ruling with a "rod of iron" to move populations over vast streaks of earth, to plough the earth is more akin to chinese, south east asia, ussr type of communism though. <br />Remember in Pasadena the Plough and plowshare statue (or bush) This was originally a gift from the ussr to the united nations.<br /><br />In the United Nations building in New York there is a huge painting depicting a world that is being constructed like an Ikea cupboard.<br /><br />I was just reading an article on a foreign tv producer who was sent to New York in the seventies to just watch television and return with ideas for new television formats.<br />It is hard to remember that seventies world with scarce and feeble worldwide contacts.<br />I believe that the many wcg sponsored dinners with many top diplomats present served to improve contacts in a world where everyone involved had personally witnessed the other one as the enemy. How completely different from this time and era where we hail Russian tennis stars because they are gorgeous really.<br /><br />I know you will say that even if those dinners served the purpose I stated hwa was certainly the oddity present. I know you would.<br />I am not sure. When you watch all videos with hwa preaching to the elites he is certainly making it very clear (during the heat of the cold war) that the use of American Nuclear weapons was not something unimaginable. This guy in his giii with clear contacts on government level was making it very clear that the use of nuclear weapons was a clear and present and immediate fact. Not some far fetched european wishy washy political idea.<br /><br />A message the OFFICIAL diplomats could of course NEVER utter towards its allies although being policy. However an unofficial messenger was preaching that in full force to most of the elites. Now that is what you would call a covert operation.<br /><br />"The forming of the Beast" was official US policy since 1949. (as a force against ussr)<br />hwa was preaching with full force that the US had to heed this beast from turning against its creator. This is not out of line with official policy.<br /><br />I was just watching "the boat that rocked movie). Very amusing comedy, to see how those rebels at sea were saturating the euro area with american music and culture. This was not the netflix, download era. This was a time when every Euro nation would have their own currency, music, radio, tv stations, programming to influence the masses.<br /><br />Many of these "illegal" stations earned 20% of their income by broadcasting the world tomorrow. So yes really played its (small) part toward a world we call global today.<br /><br />Don't put any effort in trying to convince me that all of this would have happened without wcg. Of course it would. I am just saying wcg played its (small) part in this globalist effort.<br /><br />nckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83098901274635500462016-01-24T00:27:39.248-08:002016-01-24T00:27:39.248-08:00Well, bb I understand what you are saying. And it ...Well, bb I understand what you are saying. And it is quite a difficult topic in our tweet like exchange.<br /><br />First you missed out on a period of heavy UN involvement. Good for you. But you simply missed a large part of wcg history. For example Nakasone was meeting hwa very briefly at UNESCO meeting in Paris. hwa was sitting at the main table at UN 40 years celebration. You figure out why. In any case this was before all the hollywood involvement.<br /><br />hwa mentioned frequently he sat with Henry Ford. Now there you have a capitalist fascist.<br />In understanding nazism one must understand that is means national SOCIALIST party.<br />I know "wonderfull world tomorrow" was written after you left. A comparison to the Communist Model is apparent although the agricultural society could be fascist too. One must distinguish however between what communism actually pertains and the ussr system that was being fought during the cold war. <br /><br />True hwa changed his government style many times in order to maintain control.<br />Under the influence of Stanley Rader (jews that fled from the pale in early 1900) hundreds of thousands of dollars were poured into institutions that served democracy and especially the rule of law.<br />-hwa chair of law (ucla or san francisco can;t remember)<br />-9th circuit court<br />-LA mediation services (a model copied all over the USA<br />-world court<br />-separation of church and state court case<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14718389833592321562016-01-23T10:25:23.990-08:002016-01-23T10:25:23.990-08:00Communism is non-militaristic? HWA a globalist? (...Communism is non-militaristic? HWA a globalist? (uh, hello! Remember "the beast"?)<br /><br />HWA was a plagiarist, and borrower, who created a strange and unorthodox amalgam. It is well known that he had a copy of Mein Kampf in his personal library. He spoke admiringly of Hitler's rage. There were also sermons about the evils of both fascism, and communism, although HWA's personal style was one of totalitarianism. Apparently, in the context of theocracy, totalitarianism became the ideal form of government. <br /><br />Above all things, HWA was into power, his own power. He borrowed heavily from a variety of resources to build and support it. He even invoked God in promoting his own power, and for a while, many of us bought into it.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30624889414668616362016-01-23T02:05:40.543-08:002016-01-23T02:05:40.543-08:00Dear Conny,
I like most of your comments but you a...Dear Conny,<br />I like most of your comments but you are extremely wrong on the Nazi wcg comparison.<br />Part of wcg heritage is armstrongs quakerism. Distinctly anti militaristic.<br /><br />Indeed when you would blow the dust of "The wonderful world tomorrow, what it will be like." <br />You will instantly recognize the Communist model. Including the relocation of all the tribes.<br /><br />Let allone hwa communist involvement in the and the books that were printed in his uncles printfactory around 1917 that influenced him.<br /><br />You should really re listen the speeches of Stanley Rader and HWA adressed to China's communist leaders in 1978 full of praise in their attempts to govern a billion people.<br /><br />I am not saying hwa was a communist. I only say he was heavily influenced by it and later became a weaver in the global web that today is called globalism. I am not going into that but I say an increasing gap in haves and have nots which is exactly according to Karl Marx's economic predictions for captitalisms path. This is not conspiracy. Just google Karl Marx and das Kapital, Re read The wonderful world tomorrow, and compare that blueprint with Stalins blueprint for a communist society.<br /><br />nckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64625906731499683082016-01-22T23:38:14.225-08:002016-01-22T23:38:14.225-08:00"9.53 AM. You come up with 'translations,..."<i>9.53 AM. You come up with 'translations,' yet claim that I am the mind reader. Really?</i>"<br /><br />Are you, or are you not claiming that when you read your bible, you are doing no less that reading the very mind of god? It seems you completely overlook the fact that there are over 42,000 different christian sects that cannot agree on how to interpret the bible. Yet you claim that when you read it, you're the one who knows what god meant? If that's not one step below omniscience, then I don't know what is.<br /><br />On the other hand, it's nice to see you're honest enough not to fight the charge that you prefer ignorance and stagnation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12142766618076646952016-01-22T21:53:54.932-08:002016-01-22T21:53:54.932-08:00Anonymous January 21, 2016 at 7:59 PM said, "...Anonymous January 21, 2016 at 7:59 PM said, "Reading the bible, without distraction by others point of view, is the wisest policy."<br /><br />Absolutely right. Such a reader comes to a satisfying conclusion, automatically. It may take a while, and the conclusion might not satisfy anyone else, but then there is no reason it should. The pride of accomplishment in constructing one's personal knowledge structure is deeply gratifying. I am here to attest that finally reaching my own conclusions about the Bible smoothed out the inner turmoil that stemmed from trying to come to terms with what somebody else told me I ought to think and do. <br /><br />And the best part is that, since I am acting as my own minister, I pay tithes to myself. Every month I (the congregation) deposit 10 percent of my income into my (the minister's) hunting and fishing account. Neither the congregation nor the minister has ever complained about this redistribution of wealth, because the minister's lessons are so closely attuned to the congregation's needs that they are well worth the cost.Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55185244067267789412016-01-22T21:25:24.424-08:002016-01-22T21:25:24.424-08:00Connie, Russian communism differed from Nazi socia...Connie, Russian communism differed from Nazi socialism because Russia was economically self sufficient, but Germany was not. Germany had to import raw materials and food. In exchange, it exported manufactured goods. Hence Germany had to tolerate 'capitalism' in its import/export sector. Or more precisely, fascism, with the government lording it over these 'capitalists.' But both Russia and Germany were collectivists with the differences in personality that you mentioned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10544217836100344972016-01-22T17:37:18.132-08:002016-01-22T17:37:18.132-08:00BB. I made no reference to a 'old man flapping...BB. I made no reference to a 'old man flapping his hog jowls.' Please, no straw man arguments. My post explains why no one can pick dates with certainty, nothing more. I gave the scientific explanation for this, which you ignored. So, everyone who disagrees with you is 'programmed in the Armstrong mode.' Hmmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15601003706585315702016-01-22T17:27:14.855-08:002016-01-22T17:27:14.855-08:009.53 AM. You come up with 'translations,' ...9.53 AM. You come up with 'translations,' yet claim that I am the mind reader. Really?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32332418652143718502016-01-22T10:35:40.610-08:002016-01-22T10:35:40.610-08:00I'm not assuming anything. In fact, because th...I'm not assuming anything. In fact, because the timekeepers in the creation narrative don't appear until later in the creation, I believe that relativity dictates that we aren't even talking about literal 24 hour days there.<br /><br />However, since the poster I responded to seems to be programmed in the Armstrong mode, I addressed the falacies inherent in attempting to mathematically compute the so-called 6,000 years for man. It can't be<br />done, unless you think that an angry old man flapping his hog jowls and calling himself an apostle constitutes "proof".<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90032396761274524262016-01-22T09:53:51.795-08:002016-01-22T09:53:51.795-08:00"I would never read a book like Paul and Jesu..."<i>I would never read a book like Paul and Jesus by James Tabor...I do not need a seeing eye dog telling me how to view the world, especially a Protestant (or similar) with their Kenneth Copeland mush.</i>"<br /><br />TRANSLATION: I prefer ignorance and stagnation. The impoverished set of thoughts, ideas, and points of view I already have are good enough for my narrow little mind.<br /><br />"<i>I have Gods inspired word the bible, and my own eyes and mind to evaluate the world.</i>"<br /><br />TRANSLATION: I am a good mind reader. I can even read the minds of incorporeal, transdimensional beings that no one can even prove exists. Because I'm such a good mindreader, whenever I read a book, I always know exactly what the author was trying to communicate, even if that author is a god. I may not be omniscient, but I'm the next best thing. You can kneel before me now and kiss my feet. I know you want to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22610563022147189572016-01-22T09:42:05.445-08:002016-01-22T09:42:05.445-08:00In trying to put an economic term on the WCG and o...In trying to put an economic term on the WCG and other one man dominated splinters, likely NAZI fills the bill. There is centralized economic control of the organization (like Communism) , but also a militaristic expanisionistic streak as well. The Nazis had their own dress codes, idealized body types, hair and eye colors etc. Nazism is a form of state socialism. <br /><br />Nazism and Communism fixate on hierarchies. The racial superiority of the Aryan race is central to Nazism. Built on a foundation of pseudo-science and biological determinism that places Jews, blacks, and other minorities in very low regard, Nazism divides human society along strict religious, ethnic, and racial lines. Communism focuses on economic hierarchy – more specifically the stratification of classes. There are the “haves” and “have-nots,” and Communism seeks to empower the latter to revolt against the former. Each belief system enforces a regimented set of rules for “acceptable” political behavior – painting a very bleak “black-and-white” world with very little wiggle room for divergent political thought.<br /><br />http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-communism-and-nazism/#ixzz3xzp0XDD0Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9535148267055387122016-01-22T08:23:34.712-08:002016-01-22T08:23:34.712-08:00BB. You are assuming a precise 6000 years to the d...BB. You are assuming a precise 6000 years to the day or hour plan. I don't see this in the bible, or see the need for this. Why should God deny Himself any flexibility in his master plan. There are many books on timing on the market. They point out that there is not one, but a multitude of mathematical patterns that events can conform to. Some being more probable than others. Or expressing the same thing slightly differently, societies develop in waves, and these waving are mathematically related, hence timing. But, but, these waves can be extended, or truncated, resulting in a change in the mathematical outcome and hence timing. Timing influences human behaviour, but ultimately, people are free moral agents, making their own choices. Hence their are a multitude of timing possibilities rather than the 'correct' one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37274337893103559812016-01-22T08:05:35.757-08:002016-01-22T08:05:35.757-08:0011.37. Armstrong stated that 'governments is e...11.37. Armstrong stated that 'governments is everything.' He said this over and over. Judging him by his fruits, this meant tyranny . David Pack in one of his booklets (probably removed by now) reprinted a ministerial letter from Armstrong telling ministers that they can be 'kings on thrones' here and now. I clearly remember the 'kings on thrones' statement. I probably have it on one of my old drives. He was instructing ministers to treat members lives as their own. This is beyond communism which was a economic social system. He embraced any and all tyrannical systems. This is cold blooded murder. All his other sins are petty compared to this. Many church members to this day, do not comprehend freedom and self responsibility. All they know is idiot-4child' living.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9734042984456967502016-01-22T07:48:36.347-08:002016-01-22T07:48:36.347-08:0011.37. Armstrong 'give way' is primarily ...11.37. Armstrong 'give way' is primarily referring to goods and services, hence left wing. The tyrannical ministers makes the church right wing. So the church was both left and right wing. Keep in mind that left-right wing follows the body mind dichotomy, a false dichotomy at that. He didn't have commie leanings? Ask people what the church was like in the 1960s. Ambassador college was run like a prison. The church members did all activities together. The men had neo military haircuts and personality less clothes, no individuality allowed. Informally, the ministers had the right to lord it over church members faith and life. This is collectivism, through and through. Again I remind you that he rejected trade. He betrayed his training in capitalist advertising and embarrassed collectivism. His fruits prove this. Since these attitudes are similar to working class traits, many church members don't notice, or they privately agree, His give way is passing the physical goods around, the 'outgoing concern,' which is earned in the real world, is passing around emotional wealth. Collectivism, collectivism, collectivism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27059845055864115792016-01-21T23:37:35.063-08:002016-01-21T23:37:35.063-08:00hey anonymous 8:53, HWA was not a communist, he wa...hey anonymous 8:53, HWA was not a communist, he was more of a fascist if anything. Obviously you didn't know him, I don't think anyone who was close to him thought he had communist leanings. If anything the whole church was right wing in their political views........... If they had voted it would have been republican.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65925074346582661282016-01-21T23:28:57.089-08:002016-01-21T23:28:57.089-08:00I read one of James Tabor's books before I kne...I read one of James Tabor's books before I knew he had anything to do with WCG. He definitely has departed from those old beliefs. Somewhere in the book I noticed a few tip offs which reminded me of WCG, but more in flavor than doctrine. Now I remember it was The Jesus Dynasty. I am an agnostic, and I found it very interesting. Generally I avoid religious books.<br />It was an historical account and he presented several scenarios, it wasn't like he said what the truth was. I got the impression he was closer to Judaism than what we call Christianity. He was actually a professor of theology at the University of Northern Carolina I believe. So it was a good read....intend to try another of his books.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com