tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5229761441724716339..comments2024-03-29T02:57:52.065-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Who has a better grasp of what authentic Christianity is?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18924623320481710012018-06-23T19:10:55.136-07:002018-06-23T19:10:55.136-07:00Ever think that maybe what you’re getting is a fla...Ever think that maybe what you’re getting is a flashback of how you presented yourself in the discussions at “Silenced”. The minute I saw your name a couple days ago, and read a couple of your posts, I said to myself “Oh brother! This dude is back, and he hasn’t changed a bit!”<br /><br />But, seriously. I wouldn’t even indulge in discussing the issues you are raising if we had actually hit it off well.<br /><br />For the record, my favorite next door neighbors are in the construction trade. Also, I actually do do all my own wiriing, plumbing, landscaping, painting, roofing, air conditioning repair, TV and appliance repair, all other home repairs, and all the work on my cars and motorcycles as my normal hobby set. I’ve never built a house from scratch, but yes, if I wanted to, I could study the codes, pull my two lines of 108 or 120 to get my 220 to 240 for range, dryer, AC, and hot water heater, and my 108 or 120 for lights, fans, outlets and irrigation system, run it all properly through a carefully selected and properly rated breaker box, pull the wires thru the conduits or run conduit to the outlets, add solar panels, put in a wifi controller and security system including motion detectors and cameras, smoke detectors and fire suppression system. My son and I tiled the front rooms of my house, but when I replace the carpeting in the remaining rooms, I’ll probably have that laid by professionals. I have a guy with a crane trim my 40 foot palm tree because about three years ago, it became so tall that it was difficult to balance myself on the roof with an extended saw to cut off last season’s fronds. Although I’ve rebuilt automatic transmissions in the past, I did have AAMCO do the tranny on my late model Chevy.<br />Other than that, it’s all been on me. It’s how I’ve always roled.<br /><br />BB<br />Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28202874995067173042018-06-23T08:43:48.289-07:002018-06-23T08:43:48.289-07:00To all of the other readers. Kevin wants to discu...To all of the other readers. Kevin wants to discuss theology. I don't. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Was even the moderator for the Bible discussion folder on another site about ten years ago. Got burned out when one old guy wasted all of our time monopolizing the discussions with his "one God" Jesus as a created being theories for years. Several of us burned the midnight oil, spending hours deeply researching the topic, disproving his heresies and twistings, but it all went nowhere. If he's still alive, he's most likely maintaining and supporting his original theories. Stubborn, stubborn, and very boring man. The eventual consequence was that that formerly vibrant forum died, Gary started this blog, and many of us moved here along with him. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74781603516969296512018-06-23T08:30:18.521-07:002018-06-23T08:30:18.521-07:00The difference Bob is that I never seriously quest...The difference Bob is that I never seriously questioned your intelligence. In fact one of the first things that I said to you was that I know you're not an ignorant man.<br /><br />I merely questioned the intelligence of a few of your comments. Smart people sometimes make stupid comments.<br /><br />Yes, a house. Have you ever built a house from footer to ridge vent all by yourself? You can belittle plumbers or bricklayers or carpenters all that you want if that's what makes you feel better about yourself, but in the grand scheme of things, the trades have been more needed by society than your computer boards and such.<br /><br />I'm not meaning to belittle what you do, I do find it impressive, what I don't like is the arrogant asshole that you present yourself as.<br /><br />KMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46301281071933094792018-06-23T08:12:58.815-07:002018-06-23T08:12:58.815-07:00Wire a house? A house??? You would literally sh...Wire a house? A house??? You would literally shit, my friend, if you saw the wiring, electronics, boards, and controls in the machine systems that I install, get communicating, tune and optimize and repair on a daily basis for my customers. For our systems, I've got to intimately know the mechanics, electronics, hydraulics, pneumatics, magnetics, high temp heaters, and computer, often pulling latest versions of firmware from the factory website and dowloading it on the boards and converter boxes of up to five different machines that make up a system. I've got to install and maintain the computer on these systems, know and work with the various versions of Windows on those computers, as well as installing, knowing and teaching the various versions of the proprietary operating software for our systems, troubleshooting and debugging. Sometimes, I've got many types of power just on one MC Unit, AC and DC, plus inverters to convert single phase 220 VAC to three phase. I've got various types of motors, sometimes up to 25 of them on one machine, various types of relays, breakers, fuses, limit switches and sensors. Stroboscopic sensors and encoders that count tics, fiber optic and ultrasonic sensors, infra-red sensors, proximity sensors. I've got peristaltic pumps and UV and IR curing lamps and lights on our coaters and printers. These are often in carefully controlled environments, not only thermostatically, but also humidistatically, with outgassing of the manufacturing process monitored and controlled as well. I train the in house factory technicians and engineers at some of the larger companies who are my customers, and come down to a more mundane level for the mom and pop shops. My work is not just confined to installation and repair of the equipment. I also mentor and train the sales people who sell the equipment to the customers. <br /><br />Wonder why I never discuss the stuff I do at work?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32571627296407303672018-06-23T07:46:27.849-07:002018-06-23T07:46:27.849-07:00Intelligence is like a game of poker, some think i...Intelligence is like a game of poker, some think it's the cards you're dealt that makes you "superior" to others.<br /><br />They like to assume that the full house that they were dealt makes them special. The reality is that true intelligence is determined by how you play the hand you're dealt not the superiority of the hand.<br /><br />If I with a pair in the course of play am able to get you to fold your full house, who's really superior?<br /><br />Play all the mind games that you want, tell yourself what you will, the facts play out in the end.<br /><br />KMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12772902521544105372018-06-23T06:07:06.626-07:002018-06-23T06:07:06.626-07:00"Perhaps someone will jump in and discuss you..."Perhaps someone will jump in and discuss your agenda with you. Or this might not be the blog for you. In any case, good luck."<br /><br />Bob,<br /><br />You might want to go back through this thread to see who really has an agenda.<br /><br />I merely stated in the beginning that I still kept the sabbath and feasts. I wasn't pressing for a debate. It was you who challenged me on the "replicas".....<br /><br />Get your story straight Mr. Intellectual! LOL<br /><br />KM<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40186259704932651722018-06-23T04:47:07.595-07:002018-06-23T04:47:07.595-07:00BB,
Interesting. How many times are you going to...BB, <br /><br />Interesting. How many times are you going to "end the discussion" without any evidence, other than fancy words, that you actually know what you're talking about?<br /><br />Bob, whether you like it or not it doesn't take intellect to get proficient with words. I'm willing to bet that the average Journalist has a 115 IQ, yet out of a desire to appear "intellectual" they b.s. with an endless amount of words.<br /><br />On this thread it's been called a superior aura, memorable intellect, etc. I say it's above average, intelligent people trying to bullshit everyone into thinking they're smarter than what they really are. <br /><br />No, you're not stupid, but you're not the superior intellect that you think that you are just because you've had the time and opportunity to learn how to put together a bunch of words. Working in Business Services I assume one would have to get proficient with words.<br /><br />That proves nothing Bob, but if it makes you feel superior, that you've had the opportunity to go to college, work a job which demanded a decent usage of the language, then have at it.<br /><br />I'm just a down to earth, say what I'm thinking, honest, no desire to bullshit anyone, guy. I'm not highly educated, but seeing that I'm only the second in four generations of my family that even graduated High School, I'm proud of what I've accomplished and male appendages like you are irrelevant.<br /><br />I was born and raised in most likely the poorest state in the country. My maternal grandfather had to quit school in the second grade to work in the coal mines. My mother and other grandparents only went to eighth grade. Only my father graduated High School, then myself and two sisters.then<br /><br />Both my kids however are college graduates and my daughter has her PhD.<br /><br />Add to all that a deaf father and being raised in the WCG cult where ones youth is definately hampered, I think I've probably overcame more challenges than most.<br /><br />I'm not complaining, I'm just pointing out that you haven't a clue between people bullshitting to make themselves seem intelligent and real intelligent people who don't give a damn what you and others think of them.others<br /><br />You're the one who said that Jesus fulfilled the feasts yet you've given nothing to back up your statement except a bunch of self aggrandizing words.<br /><br />As I said in a previous post. You're pathetic!<br /><br />KMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-33497061605447843682018-06-22T21:55:41.744-07:002018-06-22T21:55:41.744-07:00Oh, Kevin. There are three memorable intellects w...Oh, Kevin. There are three memorable intellects whom I've encountered on these boards since Y2K: Douglas Becker, Ian Boyne, and Casey Wohlberg. Whether one agreed or not, while they participated, each was capable of articulating unique perspectives. Obviously, there have been some other smart cookies along the way who have offered great discussion. On quite the opposite end of the spectrum, the individuals who have been the most boring are those who constantly bring up the foundational issues which have been asked and answered so many times, imagining that they have a new wrinkle, or the persuasive powers to make the rest of us "get it". You are not only one of these, but are also a manipulative intimidator, attempting to coerce us into a useless discussion of regressive ideas which have long since receded into ennui. The Hitler guy does this too, whenever he's able to accidentally sneak through.<br /><br />Perhaps someone will jump in and discuss your agenda with you. Or this might not be the blog for you. In any case, good luck.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72860114849454125622018-06-22T20:39:24.283-07:002018-06-22T20:39:24.283-07:00All you have to do is log on to Mensa's site t...All you have to do is log on to Mensa's site to find out.<br /><br />Also, I wasn't bragging, Bob questioned my intellect as compared to Ian. Ian was a Journalist. Very experienced in writing, I'm not.<br /><br />I seriously doubt Bob or any others on here can wire an entire house, let alone build one by themselves. <br /><br />A person with an IQ of 115 is able to get an English degree and have the ability to write well. I merely have a High School diploma, but none of you have shown any ability to contradict what I've said about the sabbath and feasts. You resort to ad hominem attacks.<br /><br />Your "superior aura" impresses no one!<br /><br />Come on anonymous 7:57 whomever you are, just how did Jesus fulfill Trumpets, Tabernacles and the Eighth day? Just who was it who were judging the Colossians? Why? Because they weren't keeping the days or because they were?<br /><br />A High School graduate making a fool out of you all. Kinda funny.<br /><br />KMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68091355663249012302018-06-22T19:57:35.527-07:002018-06-22T19:57:35.527-07:00Based on our brief exposure to your writings, Kevo...Based on our brief exposure to your writings, Kevo, I’d estimate your IQ at about 125-130. Most individuals in the 140 range and northwards have an instantly perceivable aura of effortless superiority, and allow that to speak for them. They would not feel a need to brag to an internet discussion group of their MENSA membership, because they are also quite secure in their intellect.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82485279718057808142018-06-22T18:05:18.876-07:002018-06-22T18:05:18.876-07:00I'm amazed that Bob holds a man who held a yea...I'm amazed that Bob holds a man who held a yearly speaking competition, giving the winner the Herbert W. Armstrong award, in such high esteem.<br /><br />I really think Bob realized he had nothing further "substantive" to argue so he went unsuccessfully to attack mode.<br /><br />Come on Bob, how did Jesus fulfill Trumpets, Tabernacles and the Eighth day? Who was judging the Colossians and why?<br /><br />Also, if you can, how is sabbath and feast keeping Armstrongism if they were kept well before Armstrong ever lived? I see you refused to read Exposing the Skeleton in the SDA Closet. Yeah I know, a lot of adventist mumbo jumbo, but the last 5 or so pages show that at least 50 years before Herbie the sabbath and feasts were being taught.<br /><br />Forget the facts though, Bob resorts to ad hominem attacks.<br /><br />Kevin McMillenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51726786418348917572018-06-22T17:35:58.497-07:002018-06-22T17:35:58.497-07:00"If anyone would have had a chance at doing s..."If anyone would have had a chance at doing so, it would have been our late friend Mr. Ian Boyne, whose intellect and approach I actually did respect. But, you are no Ian Boyne!"<br /><br /><br />Nope, I'm no Ian Boyne, I was smart enough to leave CGI when the "leadership" were too afraid to tell Ted that he could attend services but not speak.<br /><br />If you want to go the intellect route, sign in to Mensa go to the membership list and look me up. I really do hate to bring that up but you are the one that alluded that my intellect was less than Ian's.<br /><br />Yeah, yeah, I know that I questioned yours first but your comments gave me good reason to and another comment of yours, blaming Trump for separating families, now that one really makes me wonder. Was it Trump or the parents who placed the kids in that situation?<br /><br />Seeking asylum? From what? Poverty? Evil regimes? How many in Africa would love to do the same, but they would have a tougher walk. Might drown after all.<br /><br />I'm sure your real reasons are to bring in more liberal voters.<br /><br />Before you call me a Trumptard I was for a Carson/Fiorina ticket. Also, before you call me Rush or Faux news brainwashed I listen to liberal talk radio as often as I can put up with Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann or Randi Rhodes. Admittedly I can handle their crap about as much as anti-union worker Limbaugh, very little.<br /><br />No Bob, you aint as smart as you's thinks you are.<br /><br />KMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10428420351425861682018-06-22T16:23:55.579-07:002018-06-22T16:23:55.579-07:00Thanks for the comment Nck. I understand the hatre...Thanks for the comment Nck. I understand the hatred for anything Armstrong on here, his empire was evil. The whole damn system. But that doesn't mean every doctrine was evil or wrong. As I've said before, nothing that Herbie contrived was original.<br /><br />I grew up in WCG. My dad started in 1967 when I was two years old. I was 27 in 1991 when I finally woke up to the cult and the idolatry. I read The Tangled Web, Ambassador Report, etc.<br /><br />As I've said, I still keep the sabbath and feasts because I see strong biblical support for them. I read all the anti-cog stuff that I can because that's how I stay centered. <br /><br />I know the anti-sabbath/feasts arguments. I know the partial truths that are told by dissidents. Like how we had to give 30% of our income for Herbie to live in style. The truth, yep ol' Herbie the thief lived in style. The cult taught three tithes, but 30% didn't go to ol Herbie. 10% was used for the feasts. Yes, they stole tithe of tithe and excess, but that still doesn't make the 30% figure true.<br /><br />30% was only partially true every three years. One sent Herbie 20%, kept 10% for feasts, and sent what was left to the thief. Bad enough but still not 30% as I've read on some dissidents sites.<br /><br />In fact third tithe was one of the things that I brought up to the local hireling in Feb. 1992 when I quit but he still had to come up to my house so he could make it look like he kicked me out.<br /><br />The church made almost 200 million dollars in 1991 and 7 million was allotted for assistance. I asked the hireling where did the rest go.<br /><br />200 million, if only 100 million was first tithe then they should have gotten over 33 million in third tithe. 7 million vs. 33 million at least. Can we say fancy furniture for the hirelings? Swimming pools etc.?<br /><br />Believe me, the last impression that I ever want to give is that I support Herbie, or any of his hireling clergy class.<br /><br />Imagine a 60 year old man having to call a 26 year old fresh out of A.C. mister. That's bullshit!<br /><br />Yep, I still keep the sabbath and feasts but I bet I've been kicked out of more cog's than most here. Hell, I even had a few major disagreements with Ron Dart and I think he was the best teacher in the cog.<br /><br />KM<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18929567860982656452018-06-22T15:30:51.193-07:002018-06-22T15:30:51.193-07:00Blah, blah, blah. There’s always someone who want...Blah, blah, blah. There’s always someone who wants to divorce HWA from Armstrongism, repackage it all, and attempt to resell it to us, insulting our intelligence along the way. Armstrongism, with or without HWA, produces awful fruits and ruins lives. The doctrines cause the evil leadership, a fact which blind tests have verified over, and over, and over.<br /><br />Sorry, Kevin. I work between 40 and 60 hours per week, and don’t have the time or the interest to have one more go at this. You can’t educate me around to your points of view anyway. If anyone would have had a chance at doing so, it would have been our late friend Mr. Ian Boyne, whose intellect and approach I actually did respect. But, you are no Ian Boyne!<br /><br />BB out. Any other takers for Kevin?<br />Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37977104822728428952018-06-22T14:37:19.389-07:002018-06-22T14:37:19.389-07:00Kevin. I have commented also on how legalist and p...Kevin. I have commented also on how legalist and phariseeic the "dissidents" comment on what an armstrongist constitutes in their opinion.<br /><br />Perhapa they do understand spirituality now through a different route or path, thats great. What is clear is that they never understood what wcg taught, which is fine too, although they profess they do.<br /><br />I see your point Kevin. I wished the flurryites or packites would just remember like you do and discard of the yoke that is placed on them.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59790309535655200152018-06-22T14:07:03.459-07:002018-06-22T14:07:03.459-07:00Do Jews allow uncircumcised gentiles to keep the s...Do Jews allow uncircumcised gentiles to keep the sabbath?<br /><br />http://www.mesora.org/GerToshav.htm<br /><br /><br />There is no doubt, Jews would not judge uncircumcised gentiles for not keeping the sabbath. Nor would other gentiles judge.<br /><br />But, if the uncircumcised kept the sabbath, Jews would most definately judge them as would other gentiles. "Why do you keep those Jewish days" the gentiles would ask.<br /><br />Twist Col. 2 all you like, the Colossians had to have been keeping the sabbath and feasts for it to make sense.<br /><br />Considering gentile Corinthians were keeping the feasts too, 1 Cor. 5:8 anti-sabbath and anti-feast arguments are senseless.<br /><br />KMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68958497696188954702018-06-22T13:53:10.863-07:002018-06-22T13:53:10.863-07:00Bob,
I'm also interested in your explanation ...Bob,<br /><br />I'm also interested in your explanation of just how Jesus fulfilled Trumpets, Tabernacles and the Eighth day?<br /><br />Seeing that by Jesus' very own words it seems even the Passover hasn't been completely fulfilled yet.<br /><br />Luk 22:15 - And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer<br /><br />Luk 22:16 - For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.<br /><br />I'm sure you're going to try and force the kingdom of God began at Jesus' resurrection as an answer, but if so just where is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc.?<br /><br /><br />Luk 13:28 - There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.<br /><br /><br />The idea that Jesus' fulfilled the feast days is a lie. Paul, some 30 years after Jesus' death and resurrection, even said that they "are" present tense, shadows (you like replicas so let's go with that) of things to "come" future tense.<br /><br />30 some odd years after Jesus, the sabbath and feasts "are" replicas of things to "come" in the future.<br /><br />Feel free to keep telling yourself they've been fulfilled but I'm not the one you're lying to. You have no biblical evidence of this, only sweet emotions.<br /><br />KMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81065757417399260362018-06-22T12:47:05.740-07:002018-06-22T12:47:05.740-07:00Plumber?
As far as our discussions on the silence...Plumber?<br /><br />As far as our discussions on the silenced blog, you may think I had/have nothing substantive to say, but I did challenge all of you there on why are you wasting your life dwelling on Armstrong and it wasn't long after the blog finally shut down.<br /><br />Your rants on these blogs serve no good. Some people are looking for a guru to lead them, you're not going to stop Flurry, Malm, Pack, Theil, etc.<br /><br />Those who spend so much of their lives on these blogs remind me of the nerd computer gamers living in mommy and daddy's basement. Pathetic!<br /><br />Feel free to maintain your original claim, in part it's true, yet you all still accuse us of being old covenant while acknowledging we don't keep the sabbath, feasts, etc. by old covenant rules. If you really understood what was taught in WCG you'd know it's the old covenant that was the "replica" of God's original law.<br /><br />We don't keep the replica, we keep the original. I know you'll disagree but that's fine, you don't understand. The proof is in your calling me the legalist, but you don't like me playing fast and loose with the calendar. I maintain that you Bob are the blind legalist.<br /><br />"required to gain salvation" Bob, Bob,Bob, again you're forcing me to question your intelligence. When have you heard me say they are required for salvation? They are no more "required for salvation" than fidelity to ones wife is required for salvation. If one cheats on his wife and afterward truly repents, his salvation is still secure. But we still have to consider, what if he doesn't repent. Did his prior fidelity earn him salvation, then he loses salvation because of infidelity? Tell me Bob, is that also legalism?<br /><br />Does obeying the "New Covenant" "Law of Love" earn you salvation? The entire strawman argument of what's required for salvation is a fools argument. Surely you understand this Bob.<br /><br />As for switching calendars, you're damn quick to judge. When I did it, it was because I wanted to meet with two different groups. One kept one calendar and the other a different. I kept day one with one group and day eight for me but seven for them with the other group. The reason was for fellowship, which is much more important than letter of the law obedience thus proving you're the legalist for showing so much derision in this.<br /><br />I'm actually a little disappointed, I was hoping someone would challenge me on my claim that Col. 2:16,17 proves the Colossian Christians were keeping the Sabbath and feasts. Protestants love to use this as proof against the Sabbath and feasts but they never explain just who was it that were judging the Colossians and for what.<br /><br />If they were being judged for not keeping these days, who was judging them? Before you say the Jews, why would Jews judge uncircumcised gentiles for not keeping "their" days? The Jews would expect them to be circumcised first before keeping them. Yet, Paul doesn't say "don't let anyone judge you for not being circumcised".<br /><br />The Jews were not judging uncircumcised gentiles for not keeping the Sabbath and feasts, it would make no sense.<br /><br />On the other hand, if the uncircumcised Colossians were keeping the sabbath and feasts, now that would be a reason for the Jews to judge. They would judge them on not being circumcised and still keeping the days. They'd judge them for not obeying the "traditions of the elders" on how to observe the days.<br /><br />The very scripture that Protestants use against the days actually proves they were keeping them if one thinks the situation through.<br /><br />Kevin McMillenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28424026984854096952018-06-21T18:36:51.273-07:002018-06-21T18:36:51.273-07:00I knew you’d have an excuse, plumber! I stand by ...I knew you’d have an excuse, plumber! I stand by my original statement that if you don’t keep these holy days on the correct day, you’re just keeping a replica or tribute. If you want to be a legalist, be a legalist the way in which the legalism itself instructs you. I personally believe that these days have been fulfilled by Jesus, and are no longer required to gain salvation. Your practice of switching calendars is what speaks volumes here. <br /><br />I have no interest in replaying our discussions from several years ago on the Silenced blog. You really did not have anything new, substantive or worthwhile to contribute on that occasion, either. <br /><br />Bye.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79462359102874894982018-06-21T10:54:08.509-07:002018-06-21T10:54:08.509-07:00"Going by Biblical standards, it’s worse to g..."Going by Biblical standards, it’s worse to get the holy days wrong than to not observe them at all. Are you sure you want to play musical calendars?"<br /><br /> Bob, deny being a legalist all that you want, your posts speak volumes.<br /><br /> "Going by Biblical standards"?<br /><br />You quoted Mt. Sinai covenant standards above, which is a small portion of biblical standards, 1500 years out of how many?<br /> <br />As I said, volumes.<br /><br />KM<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13092623283790326042018-06-21T10:45:52.890-07:002018-06-21T10:45:52.890-07:00He never taught Noahide laws because they were irr...He never taught Noahide laws because they were irrelevant. I'm not defending him so don't come to the wrong conclusion.<br /><br />You are wrong when you say:<br /><br /> "They assumed that Mt. Sinai simply reiterated what God had taught Adam and Eve. "<br /><br />It was never taught that the exact same system was taught Adam and Eve. Anyone who taught that was teaching his own ideas.<br /><br />Sure, it was taught that God taught them about the sabbath, feasts, clean unclean, etc. etc. but that's far from the exact same system.<br /><br />Gen. chapters 1 through 7 was not a "systematic theology project" stating everything that God expected, anyone who believes this is foolish.<br /><br />Anyone honest with the bible should see that gentiles kept the feasts per 1 Cor. 5:8 and though most try to pervert Col. 2:16, 17 this actually proves they were keeping the sabbath and feasts.<br /><br />As I said, I'm not going to waste my time debating this. I explained the law in simple to understand terms. If you want to disagree fine, but don't tell me it's not biblical.<br /><br />Again, the simple explanation, God's law for man has existed from the garden, it showed mankind what was sin.<br /><br />The law was added alongside the Promise til the Seed, Christ. Couldn't add the law to the Promise so it had to be an additional covenant. That added, Mt. Sinai conditional law ended at the cross, but the law still reveals what is sin.<br /><br />Though I have no respect for HWA, he was sure right when he said at the 85 or 86 feast that over half just don't get it.<br /><br />If you don't understand the law, you don't understand the bible. Without the law there is no need for grace, no need for Christ's sacrifice. If Christ did away with the law at Calvary then I'm not a sinner, I have never sinned, and I have no need for a Savior.<br /><br />Fortunately, he didn't do away with the law, he made a way to escape the laws demand of death.<br /><br />KMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38972688488161854342018-06-21T07:58:09.730-07:002018-06-21T07:58:09.730-07:00I agree wiyh much of what you just stated, Kevin. ...I agree wiyh much of what you just stated, Kevin. The problem is that Armstrongism taught us from the legalistic standpoint. Since the purpose of this blog is to expose and discuss Armstrongism, their views are what we attack and dispel.<br /><br />There were varying covenants before the Old Covenant. Armstrongism never knew of or taught Noahide law. They assumed that Mt. Sinai simply reiterated what God had taught Adam and Eve. St. Paul disagrees.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47812178233145072532018-06-21T07:49:36.154-07:002018-06-21T07:49:36.154-07:00Regarding the correct calendar timing for the holy...Regarding the correct calendar timing for the holy days, KM, it’s not us applying the legalism. Remember, during the eras of the portable temple, and the first temple, if the high priest entered the holy of holies on the wrong day, he would be struck dead. Based on the story of Uzza, God was still enforcing all of the rituals surrounding the elements of the holy of holies during the time of David. <br /><br />Going by Biblical standards, it’s worse to get the holy days wrong than to not observe them at all. Are you sure you want to play musical calendars?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68114949258163610202018-06-21T07:49:07.791-07:002018-06-21T07:49:07.791-07:00http://www.ukapologetics.net/09/whichlaws.htm
&qu...http://www.ukapologetics.net/09/whichlaws.htm<br /><br />".....[noahide law, edited for space....<i><br /><br /> 1. God blessed Noah and his sons, and told them to populate the earth [9:1]<br /> 2. Placed all plants and animals under human command [9:2-3]<br /> 3. Forbade the eating meat with the blood still in it [9:4]<br /> 4. Murder was forbidden [9:5]<br /> 5. Humankind were commanded to shed the blood of those who shed blood [9:6]<br /> 6. The Lord promised that he would never again destroy all life on earth by a flood [9:11]<br /> 7. The Lord created the rainbow as the sign of this covenant for all ages to come [9:12-17]<br /><br />However, these laws are sometimes listed differently.......</i>[edited for space]<i><br /><br />In 'The Noahide Laws,' Jeffrey Spitzer offers us this further information:<br /><br /> The children of Noah were commanded with seven commandments: [to establish] laws, and [to prohibit] cursing God, idolatry, illicit sexuality, bloodshed, robbery, and eating flesh from a living animal (Sanhedrin 56a; cf. Tosefta Avodah Zarah 8:4 and Genesis Rabbah 34:8). Source:https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-noahide-laws/ <br /><br />Any possible differences here should not bother anyone since everything is complimentary, also, points 6-7 in the first listing are divine promises rather than laws. In the same manner, the 'Law of Christ' (Sermon on the mount, Matthew 5-7) can never have listed and numbered points but should be written on the heart.<br /><br />In the Book of Acts, we see the Jerusalem Conference of around AD50 applying these principles to all Gentiles who were coming to Christ:<br /><br /> 24. We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.<br /> 25. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—<br /> 26. men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.<br /> 27. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.<br /> 28. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:<br /> 29. You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell. (Acts 15:24-29). <br /><br />Galatians 3 clearly shows us - not only that this is not a reference to the Mosaic law package (Galatians 3:17) - but also highlights for us the supremacy of the covenant with Abraham which was based on faith, it is closer to the present Christian walk in faith under the New Covenant. Please read the entire Scripture which follows:<br /><br /> Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no-one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.<br /> (Galatians 3: 6-14, NIV). <br /><br />So let us be in no doubt that the blessing of Abraham, now inherited by Christians, is a greater blessing than the Old Covenant laws and regulations. </i> "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46674674616435446672018-06-21T07:14:27.068-07:002018-06-21T07:14:27.068-07:00Just a reminder that the existence of Satan and hi...Just a reminder that the existence of Satan and his demons means that the law predates planet earth. Don't be judgmental? Well, I look down upon rapists, slanders, murderers, thieves etc. If life is precious, destructive behavior needs to be frowned on. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com