tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5625124087100145885..comments2024-03-29T01:36:52.100-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: The Compassionate Philadelphia Church of God. Really?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75877930670453248422018-05-24T20:52:37.557-07:002018-05-24T20:52:37.557-07:00“The Compassionate Philadelphia Church of God. Rea...<br /><i>“The Compassionate Philadelphia Church of God. Really?”</i><br /><br /><br />Yeah, “loving” people to death.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11831996867559441952018-05-21T11:36:04.568-07:002018-05-21T11:36:04.568-07:00To save yourself and escape from the PCG, simply d...<br /><b>To save yourself and escape from the PCG, simply do things like the following:</b><br /><br />Honor your father and your mother like God commanded in one of his Ten Commandments, rather than cut off all contact with them like That <i>False</i> Prophet Gerald Flurry commanded, and ye shall be kicked out of the PCG.<br /><br />Do not associate with sexually immoral people in the church like the apostle Paul commanded, rather than let the local PCG goons match you up with sexually immoral old predators in the PCG, and ye shall be kicked out of the PCG.<br /><br />Listen to what God said in the biblical book of Malachi (not in the plagiarized and revised <i>Malachi's Mess.</i> by Gerald Flurry) about sending someone in the spirit and power of Elijah to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, rather than to the anti-Elijah Gerald Flurry who came to do the opposite, and ye shall be kicked out of the PCG.<br /><br />Listen to what God said in the biblical book of Malachi (not in <i>Malachi's Mess.</i>) about hating divorce, rather than let That <i>False</i> Prophet Gerald Flurry break up your marriage, and ye shall be kicked out of the PCG.<br /><br />Take care of your own relatives, and especially those of your immediate family, like the apostle Paul said so as not to deny the faith and be even worse than unbelievers, rather than cut off all contact with them like That <i>False</i> Prophet Gerald Flurry commanded, and ye shall be kicked out of the PCG.<br /><br />Listen to everything that Jesus said (the prophet foretold in Deuteronomy 18:18-19), rather than to That <i>False</i> Prophet Gerald Flurry (mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:20) and ye shall be kicked out of the PCG.<br /><br />Beware of false prophets like Jesus warned, rather than read That <i>False</i> Prophet Gerald Flurry's silly prophetic junk booklets, and ye shall be kicked out of the PCG.<br /><br />Believe in the great commission that Jesus gave to his chosen apostles (not prophets) to preach the gospel (meaning “good news”) of the kingdom of God to the whole world for a witness, rather than That <i>False</i> Prophet Gerald Flurry's “new commission” to “warn the Laodiceans” by totally cutting off all communication with them, and ye shall be kicked out of the PCG.<br /><br />Read and believe HWA's original writings, rather than That <i>False</i> Prophet Gerald Flurry's edited and changed versions of them, and ye shall be kicked out of the PCG.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78877833097609742722018-05-21T08:42:28.220-07:002018-05-21T08:42:28.220-07:0010.05 PM
I'm reading a book called 'Spirit...10.05 PM<br />I'm reading a book called 'Spiritual abuse' by June Hunt. The author does give a definition of legalism, but to me it's a confusing and contradictory package deal. It includes rejecting old testament rituals and Pharisaic behavior, but writes that Christians should obey church authority and consider 'how we will present ourselves to others.' Then on page 17 rejects 'looking to our own efforts to gain the acceptance of the lord.'<br /><br />It comes across as come to church, don't steal or commit adultery etc, but forget the parable of the talents. Confusing indeed.<br /><br />PS to fair to the author I quote P17: "At the core of legalism is a works mentality - looking to your own efforts to gain the acceptance of the lord."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-25956994571919804072018-05-21T08:04:07.964-07:002018-05-21T08:04:07.964-07:00@10:05 PM,
I do not know of any major ACOG that e...@10:05 PM,<br /><br />I do not know of any major ACOG that enforces the Bible policy about hair length. In fact, most of the ACOGs strongly prefer that men make themselves more effeminate by shaving off the facial hair God gave them.<br /><br />Whenever I watch a feminized clean-shaven minister blast women for keeping their hair too short, I don't know whether to pity the man's stupidity or to rail against his hypocrisy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89964118730089009042018-05-20T22:05:14.048-07:002018-05-20T22:05:14.048-07:00It is not always clear to me what kind of legalism...It is not always clear to me what kind of legalism people are condemning. The ten commandments? Can we let people kill like crazy and be okay with it? Or is it the Sabbath we don't like? Or tithing? Or the rule on adultery? Or the unbiblical no-contact policy? Or non-bible policies like wearing a suit on the sabbath? Or "minor" bible policies like hair length? Makes a big difference. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-25539214393764156332018-05-20T14:32:07.885-07:002018-05-20T14:32:07.885-07:00The ACOG culture, to varying degrees, causes detac...The ACOG culture, to varying degrees, causes detachment disorder. There is an excellent Wikipedia article on emotional detachment. You really don’t need to stress your imagination in visualizing the many causes of this in Armstrongism, starting with the vaunted “blanket training” for infants, the acquired ability to endure the pain of severe spankings throughout youth, enforced shunning of beloved relatives, calloused and cavalier attitudes towards outsiders, and the defensive posturing one needs to assume towards the church “rat” patrol (tattletales).<br /><br />In an Armstrongite environment, emotional detachment quickly becomes second nature, until one’s comfort level only allows superficial relationships. The person with classic detachment disorder is the one who “never lets anyone in”. <br /><br />That is the involuntary damage that the ACOG policies mentioned above will eventually produce. Detachment disorder, while not listed as one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, is most definitely one of the fruits of Armstrongism.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64687991658653031062018-05-20T13:38:11.705-07:002018-05-20T13:38:11.705-07:0010.33 AM
There's also the spiritual applicatio...10.33 AM<br />There's also the spiritual application of Math 25.<br />People are spiritually naked by being ignorant about God and His ways, are morally sick, and were imprisoned by many evil habits us recreational drugs, illicit sex and alcohol etc. And not forgetting, mentally imprisoned in Dave Packman type abusive cults.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73606553194385261102018-05-20T13:00:41.926-07:002018-05-20T13:00:41.926-07:00@ NO2HWA, you wrote:
Every COG out there has some...@ NO2HWA, you wrote:<br /><br /><i>Every COG out there has some compassionate people in it but the problem lies squarely on the top leadership who dream up vile polices like Flurry’s no contact policy.</i><br /><br />LCG's no-contact policy may be more vile than PCG's. Weston isn't (yet) forbidding contact with people in other church groups, but he makes it very clear that only the important people are allowed this privilege without repercussions. Rod McNair is allowed to visit his Uncle Dave Pack, but if an ordinary Charlotte member visited an RCG congregation and then went out to dinner with RCG members, they would be removed any meaningful service within the Charlotte congregation. <br /><br />Weston's idea seems to be, "Don't associate with other groups, because LCG is the best group." At least Flurry frames his policy as if it were for the good of the shunned (however insincere he may be). Weston makes no such pretense, he just wants to keep his people under control. People who came and went from LCG 15 years ago may find it hard to believe just how cultish LCG has become.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81872972980408057802018-05-20T10:33:27.781-07:002018-05-20T10:33:27.781-07:00Our Lord and Savior spoke this in Math 25:36
Nak...Our Lord and Savior spoke this in Math 25:36<br /><br />Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.<br /><br />Whatever ANY church leader says, remember the words of Christ over all<br /><br />Math 25 should be required reading for us all....<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77670214908300958442018-05-20T10:08:26.592-07:002018-05-20T10:08:26.592-07:00The vomiting was figurative.
You pretty much ha...The vomiting was figurative. <br /><br />You pretty much have to consume a burrito and beer that big in two sittings, and I have leftovers for today. Yesterday’s portion digested just fine. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8599514813331444842018-05-20T09:44:46.832-07:002018-05-20T09:44:46.832-07:0010.08 PM
It was also like that in the WWCG when I ...10.08 PM<br />It was also like that in the WWCG when I attended in the 1970s and 1980s. Church government trumped biblical teachings. I recall one minister from the pulpit quoting a scripture with his tone of voice implying the exact opposite of the scriptures intent. Members accepted this 'interpretation' since they afterwards quoted it back to me.<br /><br />A good minister was a trap in the church. Members would open up to this minister, only to have that confided information passed on to the following 'bad' ministers. This confided information was used as a club. <br />A good minister often blinded members to the underlying toxic church culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34192467857887249102018-05-20T09:21:22.371-07:002018-05-20T09:21:22.371-07:00Unaccountable, unelected, unreplaceable, in power ...Unaccountable, unelected, unreplaceable, in power for life with no possibility of replacement or being fired will ALWAYS result in abuses of power. PERIOD! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78769906787316816442018-05-20T09:10:34.546-07:002018-05-20T09:10:34.546-07:00Didn't Byker Bob recently eat a huge burrito a...Didn't Byker Bob recently eat a huge burrito and drink a giant beer? Maybe that is somehow related to his recent upchuck. <br /><br />I have always felt that root cause analysis is beneficial in understanding the behavior of some of the more flagrant Armstrongist behaviors. I think the root is two-fold: money and control. These are the drivers behind modern Armstrongism to the point that a study of one of the fragment churches is study in economics and governance rather than theology. The theology is drearily the same among all the fragments. The real action within these fragments is taking place in novel methods of control and controlling governance that are being introduced. <br /><br />Pursuit of money and control, however, eventually reaches into the domain of theology. It is easier for Armstrongist leaders to extract money from congregants and control their lives predicated on legalism than on grace and love. <br /><br />A simple and obvious case: HWA invoked the tithing law as a part of the New Covenant and made it a requirement for salvation. In this way, he was both able to raise money and project control over the lay membership. It was one of the all time great smooth moves.<br /><br />But the byproduct of emphasized legalism is harsh judgmentalism, including a lack of compassion, that passes for righteousness. But in the main, legalism works very well for the leadership of the fragment churches so they are not going to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. The ancient errant Israelites worshipped the Golden Calf and he modern Armstrongists worship the Golden Goose of Legalism. Men who understand vested interests and underhanded dealing recognize the efficacy of legalism. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36410697818418843212018-05-20T08:00:56.335-07:002018-05-20T08:00:56.335-07:00The number one problem infecting the greater COG&#...The number one problem infecting the greater COG's with regard to lack of compassion is they only obey one commandment. That would be the one commandment where for a few hours they can put on show to make the member think they are before very righteous men. The other commandments which are not as visible are compromised continually. When these leaders put the importance of money (God of mammon) and put themselves before/above God and take (Steal) titles or continually covet what is not theirs and as a whole bare a false witness via false interpretations of scriptures and the preaching of a false gospel, there is no love displayed. No where in the COG landscape is a leader of a organization known as one who loves the Lord thy God with all their heart soul and mind and loves their neighbor as they love themselves. When a man lacks the character to exhibit the fruits of the two greatest commandments they have no chance to do a work of compassion - for those that need compassion require time, work and money and that type of person is not a cost asset for most leaders and organizations. These churches might as well hang a sign at their entrance which reads; poor and needy - DO NOT APPLY.What About The Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63405554832947941952018-05-20T07:13:29.866-07:002018-05-20T07:13:29.866-07:00Anon 4:16 “Why single out PCG?”
If you have paid...Anon 4:16 “Why single out PCG?”<br /><br />If you have paid any attention here you would see that we regularly post the abusive and non compassionate activities of LCG.<br /><br />What you are doing is attempting to divert attention away from the appalling abuse the PCG dishes out on a daily basis.<br /><br />Every COG out there has some compassionate people in it but the problem lies squarely on the top leadership who dream up vile polices like Flurry’s no contact policy. This kind of evil has no place in the church.<br /><br />Bedsides, this is a direct quote from a PCG article, not LCG. Hold the PCG accountable for once for its very unChristian policies and abuses.NO2HWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16958095091257431532018-05-20T06:24:00.856-07:002018-05-20T06:24:00.856-07:00Anonymous 4:16 --
Want to believe what you say, b...Anonymous 4:16 --<br /><br />Want to believe what you say, but the fact that you have to take time like you did, and make a special effort to tell us that there are SOME "good" people around these groups supports the point of this posting.<br /><br />What can a single "good" person, or a handful of them, do in the midst of a MOSTLY selfish, insensitive, proud, vain, arrogant majority?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51352859361212409632018-05-20T05:55:20.249-07:002018-05-20T05:55:20.249-07:00The PCG has so much compassion that Gerald Flurry ...The PCG has so much compassion that Gerald Flurry requires all disabled and elderly to sit in the basement for services so that he’s not distracted by wheelchairs or walkers. <br />How long can such an evil and selfish group continue?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66729305067279187792018-05-20T04:16:30.645-07:002018-05-20T04:16:30.645-07:00Why single out PCG? There are good ministers in P...Why single out PCG? There are good ministers in PCG along with the bad ones, and there are some very bad ones in other groups.<br /><br />I do not know of any PCG minister who has told a PCG member to stop working in a nursing home because the elderly residents may have demons. I do know of an LCG minister who made this demand of a member, who dutifully gave two weeks notice to her employer after receiving this minister's demand.<br /><br />I do not know of any PCG minister who has so little experience with real-world employment that he does not understand the standard and considerate practice of giving an employer two weeks notice rather than quitting on the spot. Yet I do know of an LCG minister who accused the member of lying when she said that she had quit. In her mind, giving two weeks notice meant that she had quit, but the idiot LCG minister, who because of his father and uncles was never without a church job, disfellowshipped her for this "lie." Meanwhile, this LCG minister thinks he can use the "Rahab principle" to tell ministerial lies to anyone he wants, with God's blessing.<br /><br />Please don't single out PCG. Barbara Flurry was known widely for her compassion and her willingness to go out of her way to help others. She did a lot to help keep her crazy husband stable. There are compassionate people in PCG, and there are evil people in other groups.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22647479497402866702018-05-20T04:05:19.734-07:002018-05-20T04:05:19.734-07:00The PCG is almost all about physical things. Thei...The PCG is almost all about physical things. Their main work is anything that they do at their colleges. The leadership has created a false reality for the membership. Almost nobody outside of the PCG really cares about what they are doing. And visa versa.<br /><br />They have little time for compassion and showing real love to others. They are all about themselves. EX-PCGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36227438543223082732018-05-20T01:42:54.062-07:002018-05-20T01:42:54.062-07:00Armstrongites are simply empathy deficient. So for...Armstrongites are simply empathy deficient. So for any of them to talk about being compassionate,it is just a shallow understanding of what it is.Sane Conhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17941105651992924215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4319533432102602282018-05-20T00:03:46.477-07:002018-05-20T00:03:46.477-07:00I was going to comment on this, but suddenly had t...I was going to comment on this, but suddenly had to vomit. Cognitive dissonance to the max.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-58002024214356144352018-05-19T22:08:12.672-07:002018-05-19T22:08:12.672-07:00PCG ministers and members are so drunk on CHURCH g...PCG ministers and members are so drunk on CHURCH government, which they mistake for GOD's government, that they act like the ministers can overrule biblical commandments. They worship Flurry, not God. If you actually try to worship God you won't last in the PCG. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com