tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5649758655423863472..comments2024-03-28T10:21:50.226-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Thanks for the MemoriesNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17655853653548804182018-06-12T06:39:57.936-07:002018-06-12T06:39:57.936-07:00An addition to my 1:43 comment on "morality&q...An addition to my 1:43 comment on "morality" as a construct.<br /><br />Some preliminary suggestive research but interesting nonetheless.<br /><br />https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2015/11/07/matthew-22-39?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/religionandaltruismmatthew2239<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42607062977416521902018-06-12T04:04:47.053-07:002018-06-12T04:04:47.053-07:00Judging from her comments Claire is a fan of "...Judging from her comments Claire is a fan of "Grace Anatomy" not "Grace Communion".<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81346290695629293832018-06-11T14:30:37.442-07:002018-06-11T14:30:37.442-07:00I have a question for Claire. Since you apparentl...I have a question for Claire. Since you apparently are part of Grace Communion International I would have thought by now you would have apologized for the hurt and anger you caused. Isn't that what grace-filled Christians do? Or, are you a nominal "Christian" who doesn't care?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2494117821603175832018-06-11T13:54:38.731-07:002018-06-11T13:54:38.731-07:00B.B.
Herbert started out teaching against organize...B.B.<br />Herbert started out teaching against organized religion, but when small fellowships that "he" supposedly formed quit sending him money, he claimed they left the "true church". This is when he decided to build a college to train "yes" men. He needed men, faithful to the ones writing their paycheck, to keep his "work" under control.<br /><br />It's sad that he wasn't interested in bringing people to Christ, his goal was to bring people to his work. Yes, his work was a man, clergy, organization worshipping cult.<br /><br />Mind you, I still believe a lot of what was taught in the WCG, but none of it originated with Herb. G.G. Rupert was never given any credit, and I'm sure he learned what he taught from others.<br /><br />Exposing the Skeletons in the SDA Closet is an interesting read.<br /><br />If the bible is true, there is a God. We know that God is neither male nor female so forgive my use of the masculine pronoun, he isn't the God of Armstrongism, nor is he the God of Catholicism or Protestantism. The biblical God is seeking a personal relationship with his creation not an organizational relationship.n<br /><br />In my opinion the biggest problem with the new WCG/GCI is their attempts to be "orthodox".<br /><br />One doesn't need to fall in line with orthodox christianity to be a christian. A three personality god who knew who would be in hell before he created anything?<br /><br />No thanks!<br /><br />K.M.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34877747464103522022018-06-11T12:03:59.450-07:002018-06-11T12:03:59.450-07:00The majority of the time it's "christians...The majority of the time it's "christians" who turn people from a belief in god.<br /><br />Intelligence and education imo have little to do with it. Just google "list of christians in science and technology", there are more of them than most are willing to admit. There are ignorant christians and there are ignorant atheists.<br /><br />My daughter has a PhD in Immunology and Microbial Pathogenesis, she said all her biology classes convinced her even more than church that there had to be a designer. <br /><br />I'll never knock an atheist because I don't know the things they went through to get there, but once one starts acting as if belief in god is something an ignorant person does, then I really have to question their intelligence. <br /><br />Have they actually studied how fermions and bosons, electrons or protons, matter or anti-matter act?<br /><br />It's an amazingly complex and systematic universe that we live in. God? Chance? Are they really even odds?<br /><br />K.M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66649704327856613292018-06-11T11:48:05.446-07:002018-06-11T11:48:05.446-07:00One of the problems, KM is that this topic has bee...One of the problems, KM is that this topic has been throughly digested, discussed, and analyzed for thousands of years. There is so much static from all of humanity’s lead thinkers and teachers, and there are so many agendas (make that “control”), and we can’t forget bias confirmation, meaning that what should be relatively simple has taken on an amazing complexity. Various teachers, even those who keep themselves morally clean, often exhibit simply awful fruits.<br /><br />To me, reading the Psalms, the Beatitudes, and the Sermon on the Mount, plus the story of the prodigal son, and John 3:16 give the best insights into God’s character. I can’t even imagine how an Armstrongite minister would have responded to the lady taken in adultery, were he the judge rather than Jesus.<br /><br />In our pursuit of the real God, the best any of us can do is to ask God to reveal Himself to us. We also need to ask that God to help us with the bias confirmation that has been caused by everyone whoever taught us in the past.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62231651742186075122018-06-11T08:59:25.005-07:002018-06-11T08:59:25.005-07:00KM
That's right. Once you have been in a posi...KM<br /><br />That's right. Once you have been in a position to see that it is all a social construct you become free. That's why a lot of people University trained people are "liberal." I am not saying right but at least they see the "scam" of legalist behavior, that is living according to the rules because of the rules.<br /><br />In the past it was the nobility that granted themselves more freedom than existed within society. Upward mobility of the middle classes has some of them aspire to be like the upper social stratification. This was the very market share of Armstrongism the upward mobile 1950 middle class aspiring to be nobility. <br /><br />It is a long, arduous and sometimes painful process to attain inward nobility, though it is not impossible to attain it in a lifetime. Outward nobility can be bought in seconds.<br /><br />nck nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88414920235707120742018-06-11T07:50:27.780-07:002018-06-11T07:50:27.780-07:00"Today this trust is speedily enforced throug..."Today this trust is speedily enforced through moral codes as reflected in law."<br /><br />In the WCG the rules didn't always apply if you were high enough on the food chain, and it's the same in our secular society. At least in the U.S. if you are high enough in the chain the laws can be fudged.<br /><br />WCG, Armstrongism etc. was/is just as "worldy" as the world. However, that doesn't mean all the teachings were wrong any more than our secular laws are wrong.<br /><br />Correct teachings misapplied are just as damning as incorrect teachings.<br /><br />K.M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69407994096655916822018-06-11T07:25:05.637-07:002018-06-11T07:25:05.637-07:00Bob @2:24pm, I agree with everything that you said...Bob @2:24pm, I agree with everything that you said, though I'm not sure who you believe "the real one" is.<br /><br />The "orthodox" god, the one who knew before creation whether one would choose life, or choose hell, now that god is a monster. If that was the only choice I'd be an atheist too.<br /><br />Imagine a god who knew that you would choose hell letting you be born anyway. With the hundred of thousands of eggs every woman has and the millions of sperm there are so many combinations, and god who knows all (supposedly) couldn't find a combination that would choose him when the lost one was conceived? As I said, a monster god there. No wonder people are atheists.<br /><br />A god who knows all, who is trying to save the world now and failing miserably, who actually ordains all the pain and suffering that's going on, who knows the sinner that's going to hell forever in torment forever. That's the "orthodox" christian god and he/she/it is a monster.<br /><br />How could any thinking individual believe in such a monster?<br /><br />The god that H.W.A. taught is closer to the true God imo.<br /><br />H.W.A. was an egocentric, arrogant ...... Everything that he taught was borrowed from others. Mostly G. G. Rupert, but the hierarchical system of "god's government" was a corrupted version of the Roman Catholic clergy.<br /><br />No, we weren't to call any man father or reverend, but if you didn't call the top dog Mister (master) then you were in deep excrement.<br /><br />While I remain a sabbath, feast etc keeper I strive to remove myself of the crap that Armstrong taught. I have not been a member of any cog for over 22 years.<br /><br />To Dennis, while I disagree with you I respect where you are at because the WCG garbage messed up a lot of people and thousands still worship the clergy class that he built. Anyone who is a member of any of the international organizations are still caught up in Armstrongism whether they admit it or not. Dennis, don't allow the ignorant to frustrate you.<br /><br />K.M.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15837744712794242612018-06-11T01:43:22.611-07:002018-06-11T01:43:22.611-07:00"Right and wrong, or matters of Internet etiq..."Right and wrong, or matters of Internet etiquette, become entirely arbitrary products of imagination."<br /><br /><br />NEO<br /><br />I like your reasoning.<br /><br />It is my opinion that a problem lies in your use of the word "entirely."<br /><br /><br />The rules of conduct are not arbitrary. For instance if anyone randomly would interject curses or use of words that might chase Dennis away than that is not only Dennis his problem it is my problem too and perhaps other friends he has made through social interaction. The problem in that sense is far bigger than a personal problem it becomes social.<br /><br />It is all a figment of the imagination. But you better adhere to the British figment of their imagination to drive left. Or you will die for sure within minutes. Why is their figment of imagination important? Because many people on that island felt it apropriate to give that behavior importance and value.<br /><br />Is it possible to imagine that first men and women mated out of sheer lust or instinct. Later modern man either created by God or evolved through natural process has proven to posess consiouscness about himself, others and the world around him.<br /><br />Is it possible that first man through consciousness or experience with women also in posession of consciousness decided that it would have a negative impact on himself and others to just go around and kill the few women around or do as they please. That man had recognized that survival was near impossible alone and only social behavior and adherence to the rules regulating that social behavior would ensure his personal survival, later extending to the tribe.<br /><br />Is there a rule that said that elderly native americans should or would be left in the wild when they were old and needy. No it was a moral code that was established so that the larger tribe would survive and not be hindered by the feeble.<br /><br /><br />I fully agree that moral codes of the past might not be apropriate for our modern times.<br /><br />I mean marriage is not necessary any more for the survival of women and children. Many western nations prove this by divorce rates up to 40 percent and are still among the fittest of nations.<br /><br />Burqa's might have functions in hot nations protecting from sand and the hormones of men heated by the sun. In sweden burqas are ridiculous and unnecessary part of a moral code that has no function in sweden.<br /><br />Birth control pills have largely removed the need for rules or moral codes that before ensured the survival of individual and tribe. <br /><br /><br />On the other hand many rules still have important functions to help us survive and others have been heavily emphasized to reflect modern society. Like prohibitions of discrimination of all kind. Which was not an issue in the 16th century because at that time there was no definition of race and peoples were largely mono cultures with inherent trust amongs their own. Today this trust is speedily enforced through moral codes as reflected in law.<br /><br />nck<br /><br /><br /> nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36968515037231025042018-06-10T15:22:33.400-07:002018-06-10T15:22:33.400-07:00Byker Bob @
June 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM
"It’s ...Byker Bob @ <br />June 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM<br /><br />"It’s OK to throw away the Armstrong God. That anthropomorphic god was a mofo! But, it’s not a bad idea to remain open for the real one."<br /><br />______________<br /><br /><br />Correct. I am a atheist when it comes to a book god. They all have human nature built into them. They get jealous, pissed off, kill others, make threats, etc.<br /><br />How about the concept of 'God' is something you and I cannot know? Not meant to know. Doesn't need to be worshiped or have his ass kissed just to remain in his favor.<br /> <br />This 'energy' known as God doesn't need you to acknowledge its existence. This 'energy' creates energy that later becomes human. In other words, we are a extension of God who placed us on this earth to live not one life, but many. Energy cannot be destroyed it just changes form. When you die your energy returns to the heavens (universe) from which it came. Then another life cycle starts all over.<br /><br />This idea of having lived before came to me very early in my life. I can remember this thought all throughout my life. It always bothered me. When I was in the church I recall blaming Satan for the thought. You see, HWA corrupted my intellect with his own church bias programming. He did the thinking for me because I was too lazy to do it myself. The results tormented me. <br /><br />A fool and his money are soon parted. <br />-James <br /> Jameshttp://hwarmstrong.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44546586955540943882018-06-10T15:06:12.959-07:002018-06-10T15:06:12.959-07:00At 11:43 AM, nck said:
I meant Seitan as the musl...At 11:43 AM, nck said:<br /><br /><i>I meant Seitan as the muslins call him. </i><br /><br />We must remember that muslins are acceptable to God, unlike those nasty fabric blends that Scripture condemns in Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61898154887627145322018-06-10T14:24:08.915-07:002018-06-10T14:24:08.915-07:00We wouldn’t even be here discussing all of this ha...We wouldn’t even be here discussing all of this had someone not laid a bad, toxic, bogus religion on all of us, enslaving members and diminishing and ruining their lives. <br /><br />In a bogus religion situation, ministers would be on more of a hotseat than members. They have to teach the stuff and rationalize it against their God-given consciences. Some, obviously, destroy their consciences in the process. That’s the birth of the worst of the bad guys that we constantly expose here.<br /><br />Religious beliefs and spirituality can actually be such a positive influence in the lives of humans. It’s a shame to see people give up on God and all belief in recovering from one rather intense “shit” religion. Unfortunately, the experience was so bad for most of us that throwing out God with the bathwater seems liberating. It’s OK to throw away the Armstrong God. That anthropomorphic god was a mofo! But, it’s not a bad idea to remain open for the real one.<br /><br />BB<br />Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8376463129850150492018-06-10T12:36:04.859-07:002018-06-10T12:36:04.859-07:00I have no idea if anything at creation.com is true...I have no idea if anything at creation.com is true, but then I really don't know if anything Darwin wrote is true either. People have strong opinions on these matters, but few if any really know as much as they think they do. But if the anti-free speech sentiment keeps rising soon we won't be able to read anything at one or the other, and my guess is that creation.com will be the one that gets wiped out, probably under the guise of some law against offensive or bigoted hate speech. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42118865077894325762018-06-10T12:23:32.654-07:002018-06-10T12:23:32.654-07:00If we want to go in the direction of "why ath...If we want to go in the direction of "why atheism?" on the part of Dennis or anyone else, we might ask a few questions. <br /><br />Why is Dennis angry at what someone said to him? If there is no God, there is no apriori moral code. If there are only concocted moral codes, how could the statement represent anything but an imagined offense? Right and wrong, or matters of Internet etiquette, become entirely arbitrary products of imagination. <br /><br />So if we are dealing in a godless imaginary moral realm and someone commits an "offense", why not just imagine that it was not substantively offensive. Problem solved. Bot's your uncle. No blog posts, no adrenalin. Only the empty smile of Richard Dawkins. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80651907959506792652018-06-10T11:43:30.921-07:002018-06-10T11:43:30.921-07:00That is hilarious. But no I meant Seitan as the mu...That is hilarious. But no I meant Seitan as the muslins call him. After all Satan is not a biblical figure. In genesis there is something about a hissing sound, but satan, no. Do the jews have a satan?<br /><br />I can wholeheartedly state Seitan is goofld for you. :-) this is not a sponsored broadcast<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89915484156315604942018-06-10T11:16:20.326-07:002018-06-10T11:16:20.326-07:00Well, my comment went into the ether along with al...Well, my comment went into the ether along with all those others. I appealed to Dennis not to quit publishing his insightful offerings. He's been a big help to me ever since his original Ezine articles. Theistic addicts are going to denigrate him and try to insult him. It's all they can do. They have no scientific reasoning to back them up. "Ah got faith. To hell with your facts" is their attitude. It's the attitude that is destroying our country right now.Allen Dexternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34091811262256281482018-06-10T10:38:01.921-07:002018-06-10T10:38:01.921-07:00Awfully thorough job. Awfully thorough job. RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38874174749226224632018-06-10T09:51:03.961-07:002018-06-10T09:51:03.961-07:00Anon 8:38 AM isn't being quite truthful when h...Anon 8:38 AM isn't being quite truthful when he suggests:<br /><br /><b>Try exposing and opposing all the apostates, false prophets, and other jerks who have popped up like weeds all over the so-called COG scene <i>without</i> trying to turn everyone to godlessness.</b><br /><br />Anon 8:38 AM pretends that Dennis's "godlessness" is the problem. We all know, however, that if Dennis started proclaiming the glories of Allah and of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Anon 8:38 AM would be deeply offended and would not praise Dennis's godliness. Neither would he appreciate Dennis if he tried to persuade us of the glories of Aten or Zeus or Thor.<br /><br />In fact, truth be told, Anon 8:38 AM is almost as atheistic as Dennis. Anon 8:38 AM merely believes in one more god than Dennis does. Were Dennis to start presenting the anti-evolutionary writings of Muslim creationists, writings that supposedly prove the truth of the Koran, Anon 8:38 AM would be just as uncomfortable as he is when Dennis trots out the pro-evolutionary findings of modern Western science. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66492004980074855252018-06-10T09:13:32.696-07:002018-06-10T09:13:32.696-07:00Anon June 10, 2018 at 8:38 AM
You wrote: You canno...Anon June 10, 2018 at 8:38 AM<br />You wrote: You cannot expect everyone to feel sorry for you all the time while you continually try to turn them away from God.<br />--------------------<br />If you don't like the facts, then ignore them like the rest of the brain dead acog'ers.<br /><br />And yes, exposing the corrupt daughters of the wcg should take precedence. People will believe what they want to. Seldom can you change that unless the individual is open to that and willing to listen and do the hard work of studying. Jameshttp://hwarmstrong.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7559408628032003382018-06-10T09:12:18.924-07:002018-06-10T09:12:18.924-07:00nck at 12:04 AM opined:
An attack by Seitan?
I h...nck at 12:04 AM opined:<br /><br /><i>An attack by Seitan?</i><br /><br />I have never trusted those gluten-rich vegan meat substitutes.<br /><br />Could it be <a href="http://chooseveg.com/blog/whats-the-difference-between-tofu-tempeh/" rel="nofollow">Seitan</a>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30915028371411130902018-06-10T08:38:15.089-07:002018-06-10T08:38:15.089-07:00“I joined no split, splinter or sliver. I did not ...<br /><i>“I joined no split, splinter or sliver. I did not set myself up to keep my ministry going at all costs because , as Joe Tkach said, 'If you quit all you can do is get a job at Walmart.'”--DCD</i><br /><br /><br />Well, Dennis, that seems to explain why you stayed in the WCG even after the apostasy, and toughed it out there until you got laid off.<br /><br />So much for the supposedly great <i>Ambassador</i> education. It seems to have trained people to suck up to and obey whoever was leading the WCG at the time in order to get a paycheck, or else go work at Walmart.<br /><br />I remember one girl who had graduated from <i>Ambassador University</i> with distinction. She said it was hard to do because she had to quickly learn all the WCG's new teachings in time to repeat them back on the exams. It reminded me of what HWA had said about higher education being a system of memory training, with students being graded on how well they could memorize and repeat back whatever they had been told.<br /><br />One local elder thought that his daughters could meet a better class of guy at university. It was surprising to hear that one of his daughters came back from her first year at <i>Ambassador University</i> pregnant but not quite married yet. Hopefully she found the better class of dink that she was looking for there.<br /><br />Dennis, while your comments can be interesting sometimes, the problem is that you no longer believe in God and will therefore try to lead everyone astray. This is not the great good that you think you are doing. My own experience with evilutionists has been that they are not wise or good or nice. They are always up to no good and call it “survival of the fittest.”<br /><br />Try exposing and opposing all the apostates, false prophets, and other jerks who have popped up like weeds all over the so-called COG scene <i>without</i> trying to turn everyone to godlessness. You cannot expect everyone to feel sorry for you all the time while you continually try to turn them away from God.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13071313315246505032018-06-10T07:56:26.802-07:002018-06-10T07:56:26.802-07:00One of your editors deleted the comments.One of your editors deleted the comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-58248915474264840262018-06-10T07:38:30.030-07:002018-06-10T07:38:30.030-07:00BTW
The empty space a) makes me feel as one "...BTW<br /><br />The empty space a) makes me feel as one "left behind" b) makes me empathize with the ones instructed to have "a social amongst their own" <br /><br />nck nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63234726809486296072018-06-10T07:32:02.495-07:002018-06-10T07:32:02.495-07:00NO2HWA
When did all powerful, all knowing, all pe...NO2HWA<br /><br />When did all powerful, all knowing, all pervasive forces ever respond to us.......?<br /><br />And guess what if all data is combined "this thing" from California will develop "consciousness" and it has started with devouring "our collective data". What will come to this.........request my booklet free for the asking.........<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.com