tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5903326925360675587..comments2024-03-29T03:57:21.878-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: COG Evangelist Rails Against "Queers" & "Hippie" Bill Clinton NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10440549617676209262018-05-16T12:57:29.541-07:002018-05-16T12:57:29.541-07:0010:49
I understand. Academics are only part of ch...10:49<br /><br />I understand. Academics are only part of character building. I'm aware of officer training standards.<br /><br />I'm afraid I have to doubt the phd standard of ac as much as I am willing to defend that institution for other purpose.<br /><br />I was discussing the gift of grace in addition (or as crown) to the character building.<br /><br />An Iranian mullah just explained it to me 15 minutes ago. He said: "We should not think that climbing a mountain takes us closer to God. If God wants it so, he will find us." <br /><br />I liked that concept. I am a climber.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4666342652061702392018-05-16T10:49:46.113-07:002018-05-16T10:49:46.113-07:00Nck
I did use the qualification of working 'lo...Nck<br />I did use the qualification of working 'long and hard' because there are many people who have excellent academic qualification, but they did not struggle and acquire character in the process. Which is why your example, and others such as Nazis with PhDs who were in charge of concentration camps. Our deceased Rod Meridith is another example of a morally challenged PhD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23174726243660877222018-05-16T09:50:26.170-07:002018-05-16T09:50:26.170-07:008:16
I do agree with what you say at 8:16. In the...8:16<br /><br />I do agree with what you say at 8:16. In the sense that it sounds rational.<br /><br />I'm just being precise and exact on who is speaking and what authority at the time of speaking this person(a) has been attributed with on what topic.<br /><br />Again you say "Christ". But he did not carry that title at the time of "pointing out."<br />I do agree however, since someone who "points things out" is a TEACHER. But a teacher of law is not qualified to hand out the goodies that are the prerogative of the King.<br /><br />So yes yahweh might have bestowed "first resurection' on said persons, but Jesus is just pointing that out. He is NOT judging, he is teaching.<br /><br />I love how you injunct that HWA was not a succesful Christian, as if education has anything to do with being a Christian. I mean the interrogators at the inquisition were Doctors of Law.<br /><br />I do completely agree with your last two sentences. Witnessing is giving people opportunities indeed. And certainly more than just an obligatory waste of money and time. However wise and great the contents of that witnessing it is not up to man to give what they do not posess or take what is not theirs to take. For instance eternal life.<br /><br />I think I am now leaving the realm of an idle chat. Therefore I should now shut up or study the subject better in order not to jeopardize my own personal salvation.<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82515399692723154872018-05-16T08:16:46.394-07:002018-05-16T08:16:46.394-07:00Nck
Christ pointed out that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob ...Nck<br />Christ pointed out that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob as well as Moses, Elijah, David etc will be in the first resurrection. These all died before his sacrifice and death. God is not pinned down and controlled by the lawyers with their 'but who is my brother' manipulation. Christ told his generation to repent for the kingdom is at hand. He criticized the pharisees for not entering the kingdom like the repented harlots and publicans. This was before the holy spirit was offered to his generation. So even with a water baptism, people can repent and build the virtues which will qualify them for eternal life when they are eventually offered the holy spirit.<br /><br />This is self evident in everyday church experience. People who didn't do their homework and left high school at the earliest age, are the least successful Christians, since patterns repeat. Those who worked long and hard are those who are the most successful in their Christian walk. This is a generality of course.<br />So the church witness is not some fluffy academic exercise. It is giving people the opportunity to start qualifying for eternal life here and now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31039036556140613902018-05-16T00:36:48.386-07:002018-05-16T00:36:48.386-07:0011:08
Thank you anonymous 11:08 for your perspect...11:08<br /><br />Thank you anonymous 11:08 for your perspective. Again I am not a religious debater.<br /><br />I don't know about the timing of scripture you are quoting.<br />I'm not sure if "at the time of speaking" jesus was already CHRIST.<br />In Roman law you cannot give what you donot have. NEMO PLUS principle.<br />Was Jesus in any position to declare eternal life or eternal death BEFORE his death and sacrifice???<br /><br />Perhaps he expected repentance of the jews, but knew eternal life was unattainable for men before his sacrifice.<br /><br />Just like WCG NEVER EVER believed that people would come to church through the world tomorrow broadcast. The broadcast was regarded as a WITNESS, while people in the church would have been CALLED by God directly. WE did not expect people to repent THROUGH the world tomorrow broadcast or the pt magazine. <br /><br />These are important principles. <br />To whmo was jesus speaking, what was he saying and by what authority was he to speak about eternal life and death before his sacrifice. Your interpretation sounds like Prince Charles signing laws into effect, which would be ridiculous as it is the Queens prerogative, but it could also be my bible illiteracy on this topic that hampers this exchange of ideas.<br /><br />nck<br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29384268122041679522018-05-15T23:08:49.012-07:002018-05-15T23:08:49.012-07:00Nck
Christ and the Queen of the south is condemnin...Nck<br />Christ and the Queen of the south is condemning their generation for not repenting, not for 'not listening.'<br /><br />Matthew 11:21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. <br /><br />That the condemning is for not repenting is plain in the following:<br /><br />Luke_11:32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. <br /><br />Christ expected His generation to repent then, not just in the future. The parable of the sower shows that it is past history that strongly influences whether people truly repent and succeed. Looking at the body of evidence, sadly I don't see salvation being near universal.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3936579967079341872018-05-15T13:04:06.622-07:002018-05-15T13:04:06.622-07:0010:24
I am not so much a debater on religious top...10:24<br /><br />I am not so much a debater on religious topics. But I don't get Mathew 12:42 from your perspective. What does the queen of the south have to do with judging people? How would a female person from Yemen or something judge the jewish people?<br /><br />That sounds wordly to me. I thought it was Gods prerogative only to judge on matters of eternal life and death. To me it sounds Jesus is just saying "damn you people for not listening" , you are condemned in this life for not liberating yourselves by listening to what I have to say. NOW!<br /><br />And what about many trying to find "the pot of goodies" at the end of the rainbow? It seems few will find it while salesman Herb said only those who are called. It seems many christians spending a lifetime searching for the prize will not "find" it. So perhaps it is a gift then?<br /><br />I know many who did many manager courses but only a few should be worthy to really lead a small company. It is not the education one "sought" that will make a good manager or steward. It is the combination of many things and qualities that qualifies the true seeker for anything. Although many today are bestowed with blessings while standing on the shoulders of other giants. This would be impossible for the attainment of eternal life granted by that or him who can and I doubt it some queen of the south enabling that through her judgement, although she might have taste.<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69436218370235320552018-05-15T10:24:27.724-07:002018-05-15T10:24:27.724-07:00Nck
I wish it was different, but the following doe...Nck<br />I wish it was different, but the following does not sound like near universal salvation to me. Salesman Herb lied.<br /><br />Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it. <br /><br />Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, <br />Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. <br /><br />I also remind you that Christ rebuked His generation for not repenting. It looks bad.<br /><br />Matthew 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61780965759441649022018-05-15T07:26:39.908-07:002018-05-15T07:26:39.908-07:004:20
nonsense
We truly believed that "peopl...4:20<br /><br />nonsense<br /><br />We truly believed that "people who had not heard the truth could not be convicted or judged for that fact." It is a very rational viewpoint and in accordance with legal precepts since ancient times.<br /><br />No marketing involved, very rational.<br /><br />And there was also this "narrow gate thing" etc<br /><br />nck<br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80448272467513496992018-05-15T04:20:14.687-07:002018-05-15T04:20:14.687-07:00NEO
WWCG claiming near universal salvation of mank...NEO<br />WWCG claiming near universal salvation of mankind is marketing on Herbs part (again). Christ, when questioned on this point, said otherwise. For the sake of church numbers, Herbs church (like the rest of Christianity) hid the true cost of following Christ. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57388168294032270502018-05-14T21:18:34.903-07:002018-05-14T21:18:34.903-07:00GTA was right. The right is rising in Europe.
...GTA was right. The right is rising in Europe. <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlP84iYwVbY<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16651216349227214082018-05-14T20:13:49.058-07:002018-05-14T20:13:49.058-07:00A people that tells lies cannot survive and has no...A people that tells lies cannot survive and has no right to survive. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77647522753184728452018-05-14T19:33:51.013-07:002018-05-14T19:33:51.013-07:00Thanks 12:23, I forgot to add Meredith to the rumo...Thanks 12:23, I forgot to add Meredith to the <b>rumors</b> revealed in <b>Ambassador Report</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73116836185264672252018-05-14T19:02:03.807-07:002018-05-14T19:02:03.807-07:005.11 PM
There is no need to defame and discredit t...5.11 PM<br />There is no need to defame and discredit the ministers mentioned here since they defame and discredit themselves through their immoral behavior. This site is a consequence of their abuse of members. You are the one throwing mud at, and shooting the messengers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14748389649839514102018-05-14T17:15:13.567-07:002018-05-14T17:15:13.567-07:00GTA should have read "The Myth of German Vill...GTA should have read "The Myth of German Villainy". He never did, but you can. It kills a lot of fake prophecy all to hell. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29835683401008716282018-05-14T17:11:11.830-07:002018-05-14T17:11:11.830-07:00"But why not make posts out of facts only and..."But why not make posts out of facts only and not on hearsay.."<br /><br />A large percentage of the people on here are not the slightest bit interested in facts. They prefer lies, or whatever they can use to defame and discredit whoever they don't like. They operate on the principle that if you throw enough mud some of it will stick. That's why this site has no credibility and is almost totally ineffective for converting ACOG members. It is only useful for venting frustrations, keeping up on gossip, and occasionally, steering people to more reliable sources. <br /><br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23158743001133212792018-05-14T15:46:34.785-07:002018-05-14T15:46:34.785-07:00Let me say something on behalf of GTA. First, I d...Let me say something on behalf of GTA. First, I do not support Armstrongism at all. I believe it is a pathological belief system. But there is something that should be recognized about its theology that forms the back drop to what GTA is saying. <br /><br />Armstrongist espouses near universal salvation. The belief is that everyone will rise up in the 100 Year Period, the plenary resurrection, receive teaching and nearly all will repent. So when GTA takes shots at various groups he regards to be errant, he also believes at the same time that most will have ultimate salvation after being processed through the 100 Year Period. <br /><br />This would not be true of an evangelical taking the same jabs. The evangelical would believe that these people are surely hell-bound. Evangelicals cherish the idea of hell and the belief that many people are going there. As Calvin asserted: Hell is copiously populated by infants not a cubit long (because people who died as infants could not confess Christ in this lifetime, hence, were lost. God created them for no other purposed than to be deposited in hell.) <br /><br />The result is a difference in attitude. There is a callous, mocking element in what the evangelical would say. But for GTA, saying the same thing, there is the back-drop of ultimate near universalism. <br /><br />Just saying ... Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35354644101558502952018-05-14T13:53:28.231-07:002018-05-14T13:53:28.231-07:00I would tell Wes White and anyone else like him st...I would tell Wes White and anyone else like him still in the COG movement that they should consider the source when they look at other things the Armstrongs came up with or promoted. If HWA & GTA were so corrupt and lacking in integrity, how likely is it that they "restored" the "lost truths" of Christianity after 1,900 years?<br /><br />We should view with suspicion anything distinctive they promoted to make themselvse look specially called. (That's my opinion, though it's not how I operated when I left Armstrongism.) There is something to be said for the longevity and consistency of historic Christianity, without novel teachings springing from nowhere, and not requiring any number of "restoration" movements. Just plain old Christianity that has been taught for 2,000 years. Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church -- not that hell would prevail against it serially until he raises up new restoration movements or dubious apostles here and there to keep reintroducing the "Truth."Darren C.http://www.catholicevangel.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21349352325578039672018-05-14T13:43:37.593-07:002018-05-14T13:43:37.593-07:00I was in the National Guard when I attended WCG, b...I was in the National Guard when I attended WCG, but I never let anybody in the church know that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69441134954722890742018-05-14T13:26:14.167-07:002018-05-14T13:26:14.167-07:00I have a feeling you're dying to tell us.I have a feeling you're dying to tell us.RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13824942612918402752018-05-14T12:36:47.072-07:002018-05-14T12:36:47.072-07:0011:49
As one really close to and distantly relate...11:49<br /><br />As one really close to and distantly related to one of the founders of the illuminati I assure you that the illuminati don't do pizza for dinner.<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76392265870821588982018-05-14T12:28:01.508-07:002018-05-14T12:28:01.508-07:00The first time BB admits there might have been an ...The first time BB admits there might have been an enjoyable moment for some (ladies) in wcg and you spoil the moment for the 200 plus lassies by claiming he was gay after all ..........bummer. You guys crack me up,<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89078187276321017652018-05-14T12:23:47.065-07:002018-05-14T12:23:47.065-07:00@ 10:36, Rod Meredith, author of "The Plain T...@ 10:36, Rod Meredith, author of "The Plain Truth About Queer Men," may or may not have been looking at gay porn when church members saw him exiting Le Sex Shoppe in Pasadena, but he certainly did surround himself with gays when he started LCG. His biggest bankroller was known to have molested young boys, and over the years Meredith liked to employ effeminate men, some of them never married. Now, did Meredith surround himself with gays because he wanted to have clandestine relations, or did he think he would seem more masculine when surrounded by gays? That we do not know. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-58255790629838330112018-05-14T11:49:22.006-07:002018-05-14T11:49:22.006-07:00Do you realize what pizzagate really is ? Do you realize what pizzagate really is ? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4557560586792112352018-05-14T10:36:57.171-07:002018-05-14T10:36:57.171-07:00Interesting gay rumor about GTA, Ambassador Report...Interesting gay rumor about GTA, Ambassador Report also had similar rumors about Herman Hoeh and Tkach! Just when you thought it couldn't get more bizarre.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com