tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5998280522326294878..comments2024-03-29T05:22:27.348-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: The Mind You Save May Be Your OwnNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34248859192673354132017-04-02T07:09:36.852-07:002017-04-02T07:09:36.852-07:00One of "almost 'sinless'" Dave P...One of "almost 'sinless'" Dave Pack's "pack of lies" states:<br /><br />"...11) If reunification occurred next year (or any year after), those with God’s Spirit would have one more year cut off from God’s Church. This carries the potential for more to quench the Holy Spirit (I Thes. 5:19) and lose salvation...."<br /><br />Huh? Where does Dave Pack get this stuff? From his father ("Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44)?<br /><br />Dave's words sound very hopeless for any associated with any of the xcogs...even those of God's Church. Why would anyone want to be "reunified"...especially with Dave Pack himSELF?<br /><br />There is far more hope for the entire world, that Jesus Christ was sent NOT to condemn (John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."), than there is for any that Dave Pack is striving to capture to himSELF!<br /><br />How do we know?<br /><br />"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling THE WORLD unto himself, NOT IMPUTING their trespasses unto THEM..." 2 Corinthians 5:19<br /><br />Of course, the world, currently under Satan's control, is not yet completely reconciled, but a day, the great last day is coming when it shall be...time will tell.<br /><br />Perhaps we could ask Dave Pack: why are you of such little faith?<br /><br />God's Church is in the world. If God can't take care of those who were given God's Spirit, then how could God ever have enough power to take care of a world that lacks God's Spirit and CANNOT receive that Spirit (John 14:17) at this time?<br /><br />Dave is saying "...those with God's Spirit...lose salvation"? What? Sure, Dave believes in earning one's salvation by works, by doing something, by somehow qualifying oneSELF, by somehow "magically" not quenching God's Spirit.<br /><br />I am a believer in the eventual fulfillment of 2 Corinthians 5:19 where God will not impute trespasses to those of the world......or to those of God's Church.<br /><br />And/but time will tell...<br /><br />JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75127392991301972672017-04-02T05:31:44.993-07:002017-04-02T05:31:44.993-07:00Pack has a new prophetic timeline listed on his we...Pack has a new prophetic timeline listed on his website under "news." We are now in the time just before the man of sin and wizards appear on the world scene!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84314950470352230632017-04-02T04:59:20.072-07:002017-04-02T04:59:20.072-07:00Pack recently said that the resurrection would be ...Pack recently said that the resurrection would be in 6 months to 1- 1/2 years from now, and specifically called out by name several who would be brought back to life. The "prophecy" mentioned in this article was 3- 1/2 years ago and failed. Let's see what happens in 1- 1/2 years, and how he explains another prophetic failure away. But, those in RCG will stay put right in their seats because by then there will be another great "prophecy" that will be within the next year or two. So hold on to your seats and start gyrating in excitement for the next big thing that Dave dreams up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80452928584024715782017-04-01T12:05:49.865-07:002017-04-01T12:05:49.865-07:00Don't necessarily assume naivety when downrigh...Don't necessarily assume naivety when downright manipulation is involved.<br /><br />Those 16 stayed with Pack because he gave them something and they wanted to keep getting it, so they played along with him. Some of them may know and well understand that he's a bonafide kook, but they feed him his narcissistic source so they can keep getting his goodies.<br /><br />Pack is sick.<br /><br />And what his myrmidons are doing is feeding into his sickness -- a perverse immoral reprehensible selfish behavior by men who have not one shred of integrity.<br /><br />Hell is now building a 10th circle (according to The Onion). Let us hope they will be in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89792568503088738102017-04-01T11:57:56.814-07:002017-04-01T11:57:56.814-07:00Ray Bankston and his "Last Age Church Of God&...Ray Bankston and his "Last Age Church Of God" seem to fall under this category.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67469446348248097172017-04-01T11:57:04.320-07:002017-04-01T11:57:04.320-07:00The point if that the church of God does not belie...The point if that the church of God does not believe Jesus Christ at all.<br />His direct statements are ignored or reworded etc. Yet he is never taken at face value on any subject.<br />He tells how to find a fake prophet but the people ignore it and go on with a false prophet anyway.<br />Simply put the church has nothing to do with God or Jesus Christ. It is a social climbing club of one upmanship. People climbing on the backs of one another for status, position, power and glory.Senior Citizennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81011715976581508972017-04-01T11:13:57.117-07:002017-04-01T11:13:57.117-07:00This perfectly illustrates how a wrong application...This perfectly illustrates how a wrong application or understanding of prayer and prophecy actually ends up causing damage, confusion, and discredit to somebody's ministry. But, this is a common phenomenon in the Armstrong churches of God. Dave and the naive 16 obviously felt that God was confirming Dave's ideas through their prayers. They most likely even believed that Dave was channeling God. <br /><br />They take prophecy as being a function of math. They believe that their nearly inaudible messages are making the world accountable. They don't take into account that repentance or even partial repentance can delay or alter the fulfillment of prophecy. Therefore, they totally disregard the goodness and good influences that God-fearing non-Armstrong churches infuse into society. And, quite frankly, that is a larger work than Armstrongism could ever aspire to perform, even though HWA flagrantly attempted to marginalize the Sunday-keeping Christians who exhibited better fruits than he did.<br /><br />We watch as some dismiss biblical figures, and relegate them to mythhood. That is very chic at this juncture. Thank God that nobody has ever branded Gamaliel as being mythical. He's the one character in the Bible who has actually shed some light on the Armstrong problem!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com