tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post6049260527175452539..comments2024-03-28T01:47:50.775-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Why Do COG Leaders Try To Rewrite History?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26935659961232516112018-04-28T10:55:39.060-07:002018-04-28T10:55:39.060-07:00Bob Thiel again used HLH to support his latest war...Bob Thiel again used HLH to support his latest warning on <a href="http://www.cogwriter.com/news/wcg-news/mike-pompeo-says-germany-needs-to-increase-military-spending-angela-merkel-says-eu-needs-to-stop-relying-on-the-usa/" rel="nofollow">Germany</a>. Posting his article "Germany in Prophecy" (PT, 1963) Bob noted that HLH's warning was "many decades off".Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89579380270256255152018-04-25T13:21:28.366-07:002018-04-25T13:21:28.366-07:00RSK
Redhead friends?
You are related to someone ...RSK<br /><br />Redhead friends? <br />You are related to someone in Stuttgart??????? Another naughty GI Joe?<br />Still having his teeth might imply he was a vegetarian, guess he was a babe magnet.<br />I feel for those plump low iq neanderthal populations and suddenly those "jock' humanoids get to conquer all the goodies with their slick talking and use of language and narrative.<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50679069440509453322018-04-25T09:51:25.082-07:002018-04-25T09:51:25.082-07:00I have some friends who found they had a significa...I have some friends who found they had a significant number of Neanderthal genes. I myself do not, though there was an odd link to some old remains found in Stuttgart. As remains go, that old guy had a lot of teeth left. Musta been a ladykiller in those days. :)RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10844824693593665412018-04-25T08:17:30.596-07:002018-04-25T08:17:30.596-07:00Some scientists do believe that Neanderthal did no...Some scientists do believe that Neanderthal did not go extinct, but was assimilated by modern man, nck. There are groups today that appear to have Neanderthal genes. At that point in history, perhaps not that much of a gap had developed between Neanderthal and modern man. <br /><br />Ethics are always important, as you observed. In a sense, it is that recognition which drives this blog. Ethics within Armstrongism were either completely lacking, or a marked departure from what was generally taken with the high road. That’s the chief problem with the ACOG splinters today. Bad ethics are practiced, excused, and even promoted because Armstrongites do not repent of the sins of their founder. They laud and promote them, and use them to excuse very bad behavior towards members and fellow man.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18676326927580034202018-04-24T23:33:19.237-07:002018-04-24T23:33:19.237-07:00The basic tenets of wcg doctrine had been there fr...The basic tenets of wcg doctrine had been there from the thirties.<br />Things evolved and god expounded upon. Especially after AC was founded and more "research" capabilities became available.<br /><br />At times doctrines got boosts through the progress of science. For instance our understanding of our place in the universe increased with the global shift in consciousness when the lunar space craft sent the first pictures of our blue planet taken from "out there" in 1969.<br /><br />Examples from Satan's communication methods were likened to radio waves.<br /><br />The man versus animal and the spirit of god connecting with the spirit in man got a boost in the early seventies with the kuhn publication. These articles formed a basis for "the awesome human potential" book from I believe 1978.<br /><br /><br />Personally I didn't think it mattered whether the pre humanoids were pre adamic, pre flood mutations, or not human at all. To me it were sincere attempts to blend the biblical with scientific finds.<br /><br />What worries me a bit are the recent scientific discoveries signalling that man mated with these "humanoids". It worries me if scientists might find evidence that certain modern humans might just be partially human partially mixed.<br /><br />To believe that all type of modern humans descend from an early complete human carries the benefits of the idea that are men are equal whatever color. <br /><br />On the other hand if science would really find solutions (to disease, death, illness) in the probable diversity brought about by our ancestors and is able to mend malfunctions of the body through genetic research it might turn out to be a good thing.<br /><br />I am not worried about people bashing theologists reconciling scientific data with holy books. I'm more focussed on the ethical implications of modern scientific discovery. Whatever we find it should be imbedded in ethical systems and be brought to use for the benefit of mankind (which I hope should not be redefined by definition) <br /><br />nck<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63624555200305138892018-04-24T14:46:34.026-07:002018-04-24T14:46:34.026-07:00That was a Kuhn introduction? (was before my time)...That was a Kuhn introduction? (was before my time)RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81544098731375171552018-04-24T14:45:55.137-07:002018-04-24T14:45:55.137-07:00Interesting. I've only a faint memory of that ...Interesting. I've only a faint memory of that topic, but I do recall a Flurry publication seeing Hoeh's "preAdamic times" as a purely Tkach-era move. <br />Maybe they didn't remember the earlier occurrence either, maybe they were being dishonest. RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15811987366618991872018-04-24T12:49:30.898-07:002018-04-24T12:49:30.898-07:00Early seventies was the moment when Dr Kuhn introd...Early seventies was the moment when Dr Kuhn introduced the concept of human brain versus animal brain and spirit. Before that hwa understood satan as sending radio waves. Today hwa would have examples like wifi, vpn or artificial intelligence networks to explain concepts in his interesting state of the art teaching.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28951420584418063172018-04-24T02:29:07.994-07:002018-04-24T02:29:07.994-07:00Several comments have been made about HLH's &q...Several comments have been made about HLH's "pre-Adamic man" being a 70s thing. Yes, I distinctly recall a few discussions on this that definitely occurred in the mid-1970s. One of these discussions was in an after-service gathering - apparently this "New Truth" conflicted with a book a minister was about to publish. On leaving, one fellow told me he didn't accept this idea, as he thought it was too much like agreeing with evolution. <br />I don't remember any ministerial announcement, but the idea floating around was "pre-Adamic man" was "human without the spirit of man". This places the idea after HWA's "Restored Truth" of the "Spirit of Man" was announced, again, mid-1970s.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45936910031432172532018-04-24T01:37:28.651-07:002018-04-24T01:37:28.651-07:00"I believe God used directed evolution to pro..."I believe God used directed evolution to produce the diversity and complexity of life on this earth but he was in complete control of every design."<br /><br />The more I ponder the subject the more I feel that God has as much control as oneself over ones off spring being, blonde, black haired, red headed or evolving into a girl or boy for that matter,involving large percentage of random chance, within certain parameters.<br /><br />I sure hope your God has a feel for the random and the incidental, the funny and that he got some joy out of platypus "appearing" or a panda bear developing a taste for bambuu and suddenly pretending to be a vegetarian in order to trick everyone watching in wanting to cuddle it laying around on its lazy bum.<br /><br />Perhaps I am still looking at "creation" from "inside the box" through my human trappings. On a cosmic scale God might be like a cigarette smoking regular joe airman, carrying universe around like the hiroshima bomb, occasionally dropping it on the tarmac by accident before loading enola gay on the direction of his commanding officers in the 33th dimension in washington. All the superpowers and black holes quite mundane when one knows how to contain them and beyond comprehension and control when unleashed.<br /><br /><br />nck nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55707702320887883972018-04-24T01:01:47.243-07:002018-04-24T01:01:47.243-07:00Hypothetically, if beings were created in another ...Hypothetically, if beings were created in another being’s image, and the created beings had the ability to develop projects and to learn more about those projects from experience, couldn’t we infer that the superior being would also have those same capacities? As below, so above.<br /><br />I have no problem with a God who collects experiences and learns. Learning is a good thing. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30303979729202456602018-04-23T22:53:55.583-07:002018-04-23T22:53:55.583-07:00I can confirm that I heard Hoeh talk about "p...I can confirm that I heard Hoeh talk about "preAdamic humanoids" in sermons in Pasadena during the early 1970s.Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11415271830212951268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80248680198514145062018-04-23T22:04:24.518-07:002018-04-23T22:04:24.518-07:00Neo 2:46
I'm not an expert so, ok if you beli...Neo 2:46<br /><br />I'm not an expert so, ok if you believe the "directive" creation. I'm not disputing.<br /><br />I was also following the "logic" of god showing some "remorse" or "change of mind" after the noah flood, or when people like moses "pleaded" with him on behalf of the people, he changes his "mind/plan. So it seems to be a "learning" or adaptive entity.<br /><br />Also "freedom to choose" (genesis) is at least "huge risk taking" amounting to experimenting. We'll see how far man will let Artificial Intelligence decide.<br /><br />After the fact of having a finished product it is easy to see the logic and rationality of it all, not before. (re leonardo da vincis flying machines)<br /><br />I doubt if I would come up with "human anatomy" if I were a superbeing floating in a universe of insane powers and black holes. Something like spiderman would be more rational or "the man from atlantis" with all this water around.<br /><br />Just that, just thinking out loud. <br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20120761811781321532018-04-23T20:14:43.242-07:002018-04-23T20:14:43.242-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16783471878991425302018-04-23T20:07:46.838-07:002018-04-23T20:07:46.838-07:00Dennis
Glittering generality?? Anecdotal evidence ...<br />Dennis<br />Glittering generality?? Anecdotal evidence suggests that AC students were deliberately chosen as ministers because of their poor character. A trait of all organisations, no matter what their characteristics, is to self protect and expand. Historically this is observable with all empires and cultures. <br />The last minister just out of AC that our church area had was a thug. He didn't feel that members had any rights. Even by the poor church standards, he stood out. For instance, he would ask the most intimate questions that most would be too embarrassed to ask. As far as I'm concerned, he was made a minister to perpetuate the Gestapo church culture.<br />As usual, ex minister Dennis white washes the ministers, since it reflects on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18933093707976297692018-04-23T19:13:49.892-07:002018-04-23T19:13:49.892-07:00Interesting that NEO mentions Hoeh's "pre...Interesting that NEO mentions Hoeh's "pre-Adamic" comments as far back as the 70s. I didnt think he'd really gone there until 1988ish. Surprised, but not really.RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52208494481751368812018-04-23T17:44:44.407-07:002018-04-23T17:44:44.407-07:00Anon 4:42 PM, one of the biggest problems in WCG a...Anon 4:42 PM, one of the biggest problems in WCG and its splinters is that the unconverted infiltrators were/are the ones most likely to be ordained as ministers.<br /><br />That's a glittering generality if ever I heard one...DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37381492874503652622018-04-23T17:16:01.707-07:002018-04-23T17:16:01.707-07:00Clearly, some people on this site were never spiri...<i>Clearly, some people on this site were never spiritual, never converted, never belonged in any serious church, and were just out to save their skin. They have nothing to complain about. The sincere victims can complain but the unconverted infiltrators can't because they are more disingenuous than the ministers they constantly deride. </i><br /><br />Clearly you know these people well enough to make such an intellectual judgement. Do you know these people well enough to say that each of them have never belonged in any "serious" church? Do you know their life story to say they were just "out to save their skin"? Are you fully aware of their depth of "conversion"? Did you sit in their bedrooms and listen to their prayers to judge their spirituality? Were you there when they did their spiritual things "in secret" as the scripture tells us to do? Who are you to judge those whom you have never met, never counseled, never dined with, never spent time with, or never knew? Your statements of judgement are presumptuous at the least. You may think you can diagnose someone's spiritual condition by such a limited amount of information. Just the fact that you make that attempt clearly indicates you know absolutely nothing about spiritual counsel. I surely hope you aren't one of those COG "ministers" (Bob?) who are so prone to counseling - but have absolutely no clue as to what they are doing. I can only hope you're just a rogue member who isn't sitting in judgement and control of others' lives. And if you are - for those members - God help them. Seriously. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67879349991742600872018-04-23T17:09:47.553-07:002018-04-23T17:09:47.553-07:00Anon 4:42 PM, one of the biggest problems in WCG a...Anon 4:42 PM, one of the biggest problems in WCG and its splinters is that the unconverted infiltrators were/are the ones most likely to be ordained as ministers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87926479934147156612018-04-23T17:07:39.625-07:002018-04-23T17:07:39.625-07:00From some ministers back in my WCG days I heard co...From some ministers back in my WCG days I heard comments about the <i>Compendium</i> undergoing continual revisions - and in what would seem to be insignificant detail, such as names in the many dynasties listed. <br />Back in the counting of Pentecost matter, HLH was said to have told HWA that if he wanted it to be on Sunday, he could provide proof that it was Sunday; if not, he could provide proof that it was on Monday as HWA originally claimed.<br />As for Pyramids, although some have disputed this, HWA was into Pyramidology. He even mentioned something about it in an early PT. In Ralph Orr's document on the history of BI in the church, I believe he also confirmed HWA's interest in pyramidology.<br />As Dr Laurence Peter (who was, among other things, a hierarchiologist) quipped, <i>Some can sit on the top of a pyramid and still miss the point</i>.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89795291110386405452018-04-23T17:04:43.039-07:002018-04-23T17:04:43.039-07:00And by availability of information, English Rose. ...And by availability of information, English Rose. Nowadays, you can look up any topic you want on your smartphone or Internet terminal and at least gain a general knowledge of the subject. But it also means that you sometimes have to discard less informed sources.RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14649788192218299942018-04-23T16:42:18.154-07:002018-04-23T16:42:18.154-07:00Clearly, some people on this site were never spiri...Clearly, some people on this site were never spiritual, never converted, never belonged in any serious church, and were just out to save their skin. They have nothing to complain about. The sincere victims can complain but the unconverted infiltrators can't because they are more disingenuous than the ministers they constantly deride. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38749231378638532832018-04-23T16:31:14.830-07:002018-04-23T16:31:14.830-07:00The truth does not fear investigation, but those w...The truth does not fear investigation, but those who limit themselves to the official church or other establishment viewpoint certainly do. Hoeh was just one of many hacks who made stuff up and towed the line to support the powers that be. He new what side his bread was buttered on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90344566462653251742018-04-23T16:02:32.551-07:002018-04-23T16:02:32.551-07:00Anon 4:53 AM, well said. My husband teaches world ...Anon 4:53 AM, well said. My husband teaches world history and the information we have has been slightly changed and altered by politics & religion. English Rosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68636874974394204072018-04-23T15:44:31.941-07:002018-04-23T15:44:31.941-07:00Some pretty average folks elevate themselves to th...<i>Some pretty average folks elevate themselves to the status of being “special” or “enlightened” by embracing the irrational or bizarre.</i><br /><br />You couldn't have described yourself any better. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com