tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post6319287890374793860..comments2024-03-28T10:21:50.226-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Living Church of God: We Don't Care, We Have Insurance (Part 4)NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51415098055151034032017-06-28T08:56:11.259-07:002017-06-28T08:56:11.259-07:00We do not think we are theifs. We are multi gener...We do not think we are theifs. We are multi generation of the church. We have giveing tithes and our families have, on both sides go back over 50 years. We are not rich below the poverty line but over those I'm sure counting all those year our families could had paid for and own several church building. As we said we still tithe but not to a church, we have nothing to do with the minister and we help the people out at church when we can and we still pay for camp. And don't worry about the ministers most live better than their members. Martha we thoght about contacting you , but we don't want to risk it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53539405472965056872017-06-28T08:49:50.035-07:002017-06-28T08:49:50.035-07:00"I can also sell you a house and land package..."I can also sell you a house and land package on Mars. "<br /><br />Thank you I am already supporting Elon in his endeavors, so I am taking care of regarding our planetary heritage.<br /><br /><br />You would have made an excellent and righteous career as a Victorian British judge populating Australia with "thieves." Alas, born in the wrong age. Aren't we all. Non of the tycoons I mentioned, like Rockefeller I, would agree with you judging from their interpretation of tithing. <br /><br />And they would have been the prime examples of the recipiants of "Jacobs" blessing.<br />Or would you pose that their billions were earned and solely theirs?<br />Again they would not agree on that point either. Since Carnegie made it point to be a "custodian" and give it all away.<br /><br />nck<br /><br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76796335861950194792017-06-28T02:54:03.001-07:002017-06-28T02:54:03.001-07:00Nck,
You are compartmentalising contractual obliga...Nck,<br />You are compartmentalising contractual obligations. In fact contractual obligation exist in all human relationships, be it one on one as in a friendship, or in a group such as a church. The terms and conditions are often implicit, but they are nether the less always there. Violating these conditions for the purpose of getting something for nothing, makes one a thief. This is not name calling, but calling a spade a spade. Yours is the proclivity of some who want to do evil but want to be thought of as virtuous, or who want to steal and be thought of as honest. This is plain childishness.<br />There's the age old adage of "there ain't no free lunch." You obviously do not agree, so I don't think we can ever see eye to eye.<br />By the way, that this person tithes to others but gives not one cent to the church that he attends is ridiculous. That's not the way the way the world works.<br />If you believe him, I have a bridge for sale. I can also sell you a house and land package on Mars.<br />He is a thief Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70852957859754093682017-06-27T22:28:22.728-07:002017-06-27T22:28:22.728-07:003:29
I think I have shown I am not against the pr...3:29<br /><br />I think I have shown I am not against the principle of tithing and I've quoted prime examples of the millions who did/do!<br /><br />My objection was the "payment for services rendered", the implicit reciprocity and the name calling of a tither.<br /><br />God does not specify how he reciprocates. The "blessing" to that lady might even include your nuggets of wisdom after services. Or as my kin firmly believes, the special unexpected discount at Walmarts.<br /><br />Anyway. The fact that meeting halls do not come free I appreciate. Perhaps that person is helping cleaning or painting in time. I don't know. In any case I don't believe volunteers in any church expect god to have them immediately paid "for services rendered" and should not blaspheme, call names, if they are not after having offered voluntary service.<br /><br />A contractual obligation would be different (like catering, or professional landscaping). <br />I also was not in favor of the experimental automatic deduction of tithes from church employee's salaries for administrative reasons. That is turning the world upside down, that is a deduction not a gift.<br /><br />nck nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59986219750708662402017-06-27T18:39:38.187-07:002017-06-27T18:39:38.187-07:00Something that seems to be lost in all discussion ...Something that seems to be lost in all discussion about tithing is that stewardship is part of the tithing system. Throwing good money after bad is poor resource management. Individuals in the LCG (and similar) have no voice but the thing they can control is money. And even that is limited because of the centralized government of the COGs. They cannot directly impact their local minister because of central disbursement. The best they can hope for is that someone at "headquarters" will note the drop in donations and wonder if the local minister is to blame. Although the most likely result is to be screamed at for "robbing God".Mickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12447091547346560787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12561364150559380102017-06-27T15:29:02.737-07:002017-06-27T15:29:02.737-07:00Nck,
Christ on a number of occasions quoted from t...Nck,<br />Christ on a number of occasions quoted from the old testament. So Christ believed the OT was part of Christianity. When asked about inheriting eternal life, Christ said 'keep the commandments,' and repeated some of the OT ten commandments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10552932351852320812017-06-27T14:27:20.133-07:002017-06-27T14:27:20.133-07:006;44
Why are you quoting OT to me while we were d...6;44<br /><br />Why are you quoting OT to me while we were discussing christianity?<br /><br />In the NT I encounter that lady with the penny. And as others mentioned the contemporary lady did pay god what is due to him, she just didnt pay a certain corporation.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64704532814706571582017-06-27T06:59:06.331-07:002017-06-27T06:59:06.331-07:00I don't mean to be insensitive, but I find thi...I don't mean to be insensitive, but I find this court case heart warming. For every person that stands up to these Gestapo churches, there are many people who for a variety of reason, can't stand up for themselves.<br />The Scarboroughs are sending a message to these groups that their leaders are not above the law. They can't do what ever they please without possible negative consequence for themselves. For bully ministers, that's all that they consider.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10716296062538863532017-06-27T06:44:03.871-07:002017-06-27T06:44:03.871-07:00Nck
So according to you, "It is not in the bi...Nck<br />So according to you, "It is not in the bible that people SHOULD (pay for services rendered). Really? How about 'a workman is worthy of his wages.' Or Mal. 3.5 '..and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages,' Many times God states that the heavens, the Earth and everything on it is His because He CREATED it. That is, goods and services rightly belong to those who produce the goods and services. This is hard wired into reality. Which is why our leeching, parasitical friend should pay for from his families church benefits.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86576256317072054602017-06-26T21:24:50.425-07:002017-06-26T21:24:50.425-07:00So, you suggest the deposition quotes are falsifie...So, you suggest the deposition quotes are falsified?RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77353627920421563752017-06-26T19:48:51.932-07:002017-06-26T19:48:51.932-07:00Yes. If oath doesn't seal the deposition as f...Yes. If oath doesn't seal the deposition as fact, that would mean that the person being deposed is willing to lie under oath, and is therefore also not able to be trusted to be truthful while preaching, or administrating. Whoops! Big dose of cognitive dissonance there either way.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36527616985793844142017-06-26T11:41:40.087-07:002017-06-26T11:41:40.087-07:00@ anon 9:53
It isn't "he said, she said...@ anon 9:53<br /><br /> It isn't "he said, she said " when there are depositions in existence that rod mcnair and rod meredith gave under oath/affirmation. That pretty much seals it as fact. But go ahead and believe whatever you want if it makes your LCG existence easier to bear. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79740094150720452622017-06-26T09:53:40.006-07:002017-06-26T09:53:40.006-07:00Not one of us here on this forum witnessed any of ...Not one of us here on this forum witnessed any of the the conversations (or lack thereof) that Scarboroughs claimed to have taken place. No one here knows for certain Catherine sent 40 letters to LCG. No one here witnessed anything either side claims the other side did or did not do. There are thousands of frivolous lawsuits thrown out in court every year in the good ol' USA. And this was one of them. Anyone can claim whatever they want to and bring a lawsuit against anyone for nearly anything. This is a litigious culture that we live in. Just because someone is sued doesn't mean the lawsuit is valid. So all of you "expert eyewitnesses" are just wasting your time commenting on the "merits" of the Scaraboroughs case. Because in the end - not one you was there to witness any of it. This is a case of "he said she said". End of story in my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59222209149825321562017-06-26T09:40:34.230-07:002017-06-26T09:40:34.230-07:00Maybe this, "give the gold or you're a th...Maybe this, "give the gold or you're a thief" person could promote their congregation or entire church organization to live communally and everybody give everything they have into a common pot and it will be divided equally as they did in the early new testament church. Sound reasonable anonymous? Or would that be too hard for those that like having their way paid for by everybody else?<br /><br />How is it that you would rather sit in judgement rather than supporting any and all who care to hear the word of God? Freely you have received, freely give. <br /><br />Trouble with the COG's and self appointed guru's is that much of what they practice /teach doesn't mesh properly with the word of God. It's good to follow the rules /law BUT without love which is defined in 1 Corinthians 13 and no mention of rules/law, our 'walk' is MEANINGLESS and FUTILE. If I know and understand everything and tell of everything that will come but don't have love... i nothing. <br /><br />Love is the missing ingredient. Let s/he who has an ear... anonymous63noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20801701317317393912017-06-26T08:19:58.676-07:002017-06-26T08:19:58.676-07:00Anon 7:20 PM illustrates well the danger of drinki...Anon 7:20 PM illustrates well the danger of drinking before you post.<br /><br />Nowhere in the Bible are tithes equated with payment for "services rendered." God commands that He be given His tithes. A minister who demands tithes as belonging to him for "services rendered" will soon enough face a mighty condemnation from his God, as a thief claiming proprietorship over what is His alone. <br /><br />Members are expected to serve God, whether or not they are paid to do that service. Same with ministers. A minister who feels that his service is impeded by insufficient (or lack of) payment is precisely one thing: <b> a hireling</b>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54557483582970335012017-06-26T07:28:40.023-07:002017-06-26T07:28:40.023-07:00"The Scarboroughs would prefer to resolve thi..."The Scarboroughs would prefer to resolve this matter outside of court and is hopeful that Living Church will be agreeable to beginning discussions in furtherance of such goal. We expect to receive your response on how you wish to proceed with this matter in seven (7) days from the date of this correspondence. If we do not hear from you by this time we will see your lack of response as an unwillingness to resolve this out of court and will initiate civil action in the Superior Court of Mecklenburg County."<br /><br />Why would LCG let the 7 days pass without correspondence?<br /><br />I'm having a hard time understanding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46510000488498760092017-06-26T01:18:29.325-07:002017-06-26T01:18:29.325-07:00Such "drama queens".
-ministers scaveng...Such "drama queens".<br /><br />-ministers scavenging through rubbish bins<br />-giving malm ammunition<br /><br />You guys are hilarious in your self righteousness.<br /><br /><br />"Hmm, I say that people should pay for services rendered to them."<br /><br />Very good you admit that YOU are saying that. It is not in the bible that people SHOULD.<br />Although it would be a good thing if they would.<br /><br /><br />Most of the American tycoons tithed. Rockefeller, Carnegie, the IBM founders and many more.<br />I don't think any of them would have felt this "obligation" as a "payment for services rendered."<br /><br />I'm not saying the apostle Paul SHOULD spent his time on fish nets instead of preaching. But it is a good thing he did. BTW the Pope drives a little ford car. I'm not sure how Henry would have felt about that.<br /><br />nck<br /><br /><br /><br /> nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74003626435619821892017-06-26T00:42:03.556-07:002017-06-26T00:42:03.556-07:00Anonymous 2:37 PM said: "Perhaps you missed i...<i>Anonymous 2:37 PM said: "Perhaps you missed it, but one of the ten commandments is don't steal. Other church members are paying for the minister that benefits his family. Other members are paying the rented hall that benefits his family. He is leeching off others."</i><br /><br />Indeed, the Eighth Commandment forbids stealing. But, who is really guilty of the sin of stealing? <br />A) The Christian who believes s/he is obeying God when s/he gives ten percent of his/her income to a religious institution (i.e. man-made church)?<br />B) The Christian "minister" who tells his current and prospective congregants that the Bible teaches they have to give their money tithes to him otherwise they're stealing from God?<br /><br />IMHO money tithes are a violation of the Eighth Commandment as the Israelites were never instructed to tithe on gold or silver let alone paper "money" i.e. Mammon. They were instructed to give a tenth of agricultural produce and livestock, which were to be given to the landless Levites who then in turn gave a "tithe of the tithe" to the Aaronic priesthood. In the NT the Christian model was freewill offerings going to support congregations and alms going to support the poor and needy. The apostle Paul himself worked as a tentmaker so he would be able to give alms to the poor. He never demanded tithes from his followers. Nor does the Scriptures teach Christians to give money tithes or freewill offerings on the seven annual holy days. I suggest you read <a href="https://www.truthforfree.com/files/PDF/REK-Tithing3.pdf" rel="nofollow">Russell Earl Kelly's Should the Church Teach Tithing?</a> for true, sound and solid Biblical and Christian teaching on the subject of tithing. I believe these "ministers" and "churches" that continue to demand support via mandatory money tithes like HWA and his WCG and its offshoots are "cursed with a curse" and under divine judgment for truly stealing from God's poor, needy, widows, orphans, strangers, defenseless and innocent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59171669689013893682017-06-25T22:33:43.733-07:002017-06-25T22:33:43.733-07:00No modern day minister needs to be taking a salary...No modern day minister needs to be taking a salary from forced titihing. They should have their own jobs in order to learn humility and not to live lives of excess. Members do not need to be paying for large houses, expensive cars, auditoriums, jet airplanes or colleges. Members money needs to go to caring for those less fortunate as they are, the homeless, the widows and orphans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84176967259843506912017-06-25T21:12:32.166-07:002017-06-25T21:12:32.166-07:004.56 PM
Sure, lets not pay the ministers. They can...4.56 PM<br />Sure, lets not pay the ministers. They can live under bridges and scavenge through rubbish bins to find something to eat. Why don't you lead the way through your personal example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44680076295257645072017-06-25T20:53:04.008-07:002017-06-25T20:53:04.008-07:002;37
My lime of reasoning follows your "godl...2;37<br /><br />My lime of reasoning follows your "godless" reasoning and judgment of the person you aimed at. Except for your incantation of "mammon".<br /><br />Even HWA would have moved with more faith. (although on banned it is often quoted as financial recklesness)<br /><br />In NT it says something about giving and not expecting in return. Since you protest that, by reasoning you cannot be a christian,but rather a pharisee in your approach to the person that is currently not contributing in gold. But rather contributes by the presence of her most precious in the activities and sharing of others.<br /><br />And your limited willingness to accept this contribution makes your pharaseic judgment of calling such thievery.<br /><br />There you have my assesment and reasoning, you financial judas.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13973413034402865322017-06-25T19:20:03.375-07:002017-06-25T19:20:03.375-07:004.56 PM
Hmm, I say that people should pay for serv...4.56 PM<br />Hmm, I say that people should pay for services rendered to them. You respond by accusing me of inappropriate feelings of entitlement. Since when does a entitlement mentality advocate paying ones one. So instead of the three moral stooges, it's now four moral stooges.<br />No wonder people here are amazed when I claim that God answers my prayers. The typical answer is 'you are imagining it' or 'correlation isn't causation,' or Dennis Diehls 'it's magic thinking.' The real reason is that I am not a crook like some posters here. Put sin out of your life, don't steal, keep it in your pants, pray for the welfare of mankind, and God will respond by answering your prayers.<br />And when it happens, brace yourself for Dennis accusing you of magic thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38571026222970135182017-06-25T18:34:10.216-07:002017-06-25T18:34:10.216-07:00Wow...time to quit beating this dead horse! Move ...Wow...time to quit beating this dead horse! Move on with your life and give it a rest!<br /><br />And to this guy/gal....<br /> Anonymous said...<br />I am so disgusted by what my church did to this family! They will not get another dime from us. I will give my money to the local homeless shelter before I pay for McNair's inability to let a Christian word flow out of his mouth.<br /><br />June 24, 2017 at 8:03 AM<br /> <br />You will get tossed next for not paying up!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64122096457789982442017-06-25T16:56:07.281-07:002017-06-25T16:56:07.281-07:00@ Jim Meredith 2:37 PM
Abused people often resort...@ Jim Meredith 2:37 PM<br /><br />Abused people often resort to unhealthy coping mechanisms, which may include what appear to be moral lapses. Apparently, 7:13PM places a higher value on family unity than on paying for "ministerial services" that she would rather do without. She does tithe, she just doesn't tithe to YOU. She tithes where she knows the tithe will do good. Earlier you wrote:<br /><br /><i>The minister in your church needs to be paid. The hall needs to be rented.</i> Many churches (even the Church of God, at times) get by without a paid ministry, and without paid meeting halls. Maybe to you, a hireling, what matters most is the payments that spare ministers the burden of doing other work. To God, however, what matters is the <i>ekklesia</i>, the whole body of believers, which often throughout history has included ministers who were literally "fellow workers" with the brethren. You, 2:37PM, are a spoiled brat with inappropriate feelings of entitlement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24204203330617657792017-06-25T14:37:04.965-07:002017-06-25T14:37:04.965-07:00Martha and Nck
Perhaps you missed it, but one of ...Martha and Nck<br /><br />Perhaps you missed it, but one of the ten commandments is don't steal. Other church members are paying for the minister that benefits his family. Other members are paying the rented hall that benefits his family. He is leeching off others. <br />Both of you offer no line of rezoning other than attacking me with accusations. <br />No facts, or logic, just abuse. You and 7.13 PM are soul mates. <br />The three amigos.<br /><br />PS you smear the good name of Banned. You give Malm the ammunition to call this a godless site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com