tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post6350818653745393009..comments2024-03-28T13:22:17.980-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Noah, Mt Ararat and the HippoNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89629251334269232342016-07-21T19:29:38.877-07:002016-07-21T19:29:38.877-07:00to Anonymous of July 21, 2016 at 2:02 PM
Yes, I&#...to Anonymous of July 21, 2016 at 2:02 PM<br /><br />Yes, I'm aware of that account and find it somewhat incredible. However I will also say I DON"T KNOW if it is true or not, I just doubt it. I guess some day we'll all know for sure.<br /><br />to NO2HWA of July 21, 2016 at 5:50 PM<br /><br />I didn't know he had addressed the Auditorium in the 70's. Understanding the mind set of the "literalists" as you refer to them, I'm not surprised they ate it all up. If I had been there I probably would have done the same. Apparently the local Turkish government portrayed in the link I provided on July 20, 2016 at 8:48 PM. did much the same. I would surely agree they, the local government, would have been biased in their outlook.<br /><br />I would like to make this point:- The problem with all liars is that they sometimes tell the truth. Unfortunately we just don't know when that happens.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7771673935876565102016-07-21T17:50:24.836-07:002016-07-21T17:50:24.836-07:00Wyatt is the whack-job that said when Jesus died t...Wyatt is the whack-job that said when Jesus died the blood flowing from his body ran down through crack in the ricks below the cross and dripped onto the Ark of the Covenant, WHICH Wyatt claims to have seem, dried blood and all. A first class liar that the WCG even got hooked into when they had him come and speak in the Auditorium in the mid 70's. He brought what he claimed to were real pieces of the wood from Noah's ark. The literalists ate it all up as 100% fact and true.NO2HWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85754074159530235212016-07-21T14:02:16.195-07:002016-07-21T14:02:16.195-07:00Don't Wyatts own claims speak against him? I m...Don't Wyatts own claims speak against him? I mean, flowing Jesus blood on the miraculously found True Cross which just happens to be above the Ark of the Covenant? Or was that some other fool?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71051502727834636332016-07-21T03:47:44.961-07:002016-07-21T03:47:44.961-07:00to Anonymous of July 20, 2016 at 7:08 PM
Thank yo...to Anonymous of July 20, 2016 at 7:08 PM<br /><br />Thank you for those kind words.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-766937709684943482016-07-20T20:48:54.126-07:002016-07-20T20:48:54.126-07:00on July 20, 2016 at 5:25 PM
Stephen also wrote:-
...on July 20, 2016 at 5:25 PM<br />Stephen also wrote:-<br /><br />"By claiming that the historicity of ark stories, which, in order to be true, would have to violate our normal expectations and physics at every turn,...."<br /><br />How so?<br />As an aside, there are a number of credible(?) 'you tube' presentations depicting the Ark's discovery; eg. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCyOVGBnNp8" rel="nofollow"> "this one"</a><br /><br />I know some people claim Ron Wyatt to be a liar. Can you direct me to some evidence to prove this claim?<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.f<br />ps. Truly Stephen, I think you could use a little more self esteem.Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20914156300038102122016-07-20T20:24:25.793-07:002016-07-20T20:24:25.793-07:00on July 20, 2016 at 5:25 PM
Stephen wrote:-
"...on July 20, 2016 at 5:25 PM<br />Stephen wrote:-<br /><br />"When you let go of an object, will it fall to the ground,...."<br /><br />If unsupported, yes it will.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.f<br />ps. Unless it's already on the ground. LOLRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57542434868750897792016-07-20T19:08:25.043-07:002016-07-20T19:08:25.043-07:00It would be an answered prayer for me if the lame ...It would be an answered prayer for me if the lame insults at Ralph and others were to stop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35963354499484980692016-07-20T19:02:48.380-07:002016-07-20T19:02:48.380-07:00Ralph said:"Apart from a suggestion that all ...Ralph said:"Apart from a suggestion that all sin is significant I think most people forget that those who have fully accepted the sacrifice of Jesus Christ have been forgiven all sins, past, present and future."<br /><br /> Does that stop people from making errors? Of course not! <br /><br />"We are a "forgiven people"<br /><br /> By God, right? Just for a moment, imagine that there is no God. Who else could step into that role? <br /> I ask this to point out what I have learned from narcisstic christains. They seem to think that they don't need to apologize and ask for forgiveness from those that they have done wrong. They will gladly throw the sacrifice of Jesus Christ at your feet and say, "You're wrong to not accept my apology because God has already endorsed it." <br /> <br /> How does that teach us to love one another? <br /> <br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15010516159629834722016-07-20T17:25:40.451-07:002016-07-20T17:25:40.451-07:00Ralph, you can spin things to make me seem like a ...Ralph, you can spin things to make me seem like a fool, but that just makes you a liar as well. Typical christian thing to do. I don't even know why I should be surprised.<br /><br />By claiming that the historicity of ark stories, which, in order to be true, would have to violate our normal expectations and physics at every turn, are debatable, you're essentially claiming that you think you live in a world in which there are no reliable physical laws, and that we are not justified in having any normal expections.<br /><br />When you let go of an object, will it fall to the ground, Ralph?<br /><br />It's debatable? Really? You're a fool, Ralph.Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90204239629501070312016-07-20T04:07:43.098-07:002016-07-20T04:07:43.098-07:00on July 19, 2016 at 9:18 AM
Anonymous wrote:-
&qu...on July 19, 2016 at 9:18 AM<br />Anonymous wrote:-<br /><br />"Ralph wrote, "This whole topic is debatable, none of us today were there at the time to witness the whole event."<br /><br />Ralph's response is amazingly similar to Ken Ham's response of, "Were you there?" in his juvenile effort to shut down debate on the crazy things he claims are factual."<br /><br />In my so called juvenile effort "to shut down debate", how is that accomplished by simply saying the subject <b>IS</b> debatable??<br /><br />Somehow reminds me of what Stephen said on July 17, 2016 at 8:20 AM viz.<br />"No, Ralph, this really isn't debatable."<br /><br />Then proceeded with a further 5 paragraphs of debate.(?) <br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44541012314976585102016-07-20T03:55:53.921-07:002016-07-20T03:55:53.921-07:00on July 19, 2016 at 8:52 AM
Anonymous wrote"-...on July 19, 2016 at 8:52 AM<br />Anonymous wrote"-<br /><br />"Maybe'll he'll vote for The Donald......."<br /><br />I read:- "Donald Trump pulled off what at least 16 other Republican hopefuls failed to do–he became the official presidential nominee of his party a few hours ago. Some in Australia see this as a positive:"<br /><br />So it looks as if someone has voted for him' LOL<br />As far as I am concerned my preferred candidate has not yet arrived on the scene.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21108030992635332742016-07-20T03:46:40.724-07:002016-07-20T03:46:40.724-07:00Numerous people claim that Ron Wyatt is a liar. Ca...Numerous people claim that Ron Wyatt is a liar. Can anyone direct me to evidence that such a claim is true?<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12924676966064062122016-07-19T10:01:32.279-07:002016-07-19T10:01:32.279-07:00"But even more fundamentally, God answers peo..."But even more fundamentally, God answers peoples prayers. He performs miracles for members."<br /><br />YES!!!<br />You will find no shortage of impassioned testimonials of "answered prayers" and "miracles", no matter what religion!<br />However, that group of "impassioned testimonials" is in the big cauldron of True Believers' soup of supposed "big-time-'results'"-<br /><br />Every different religion, of every stripe, just all happen to have True Believers who can tell stories of how <i>their god</i> and beliefs are true because <i>their particular god</i> answered <i>their particular prayers.</i><br /><br />Apparently, there's either:<br />1) Lots of miracle-performing/prayer-answering gods in lots of different religions<br />..or..<br />2) Lots of people who convince themselves (for a variety of psychological reasons) that their particular god has favored them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56912321134736022782016-07-19T09:18:38.322-07:002016-07-19T09:18:38.322-07:00Ralph wrote, "This whole topic is debatable, ...Ralph wrote, "This whole topic is debatable, none of us today were there at the time to witness the whole event."<br /><br />Ralph's response is amazingly similar to Ken Ham's response of, "Were you there?" in his juvenile effort to shut down debate on the crazy things he claims are factual.<br /><br />I wonder if "Ralph's rants" are ultimately an effort to convince himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51294247555934108652016-07-19T09:04:16.364-07:002016-07-19T09:04:16.364-07:00"Oh, the desperation of apologists who don..."Oh, the desperation of apologists who don't want to go the effort of really thinking, even a normally brilliant guy like Ralph."<br /><br />HA HA HA! Ralph is a legend in his own mind. <br /><br />Your comment is brilliant :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85456009570780853972016-07-19T08:52:13.890-07:002016-07-19T08:52:13.890-07:00Ralph is chinesist.
Maybe'll he'll vote f...Ralph is chinesist.<br /><br />Maybe'll he'll vote for The Donald who plans to build a wall between the USA and China to prevent all Fu Manchu mustaches from entering the USA and wreaking havoc here. <br /><br />It's ok if all those "TRUMP" hats are made in China, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32232072124770925062016-07-19T08:41:08.151-07:002016-07-19T08:41:08.151-07:00"For a good time read David Fasolds book on t...<i>"For a good time read David Fasolds book on the area and the ark."</i><br /><br />That sounds like something scrawled on a public bathroom wall.<br /><br />The non-scientist David Fasold worked with the huckster/liar Ron Wyatt for awhile, before announcing his own dubious conclusions. Later, he even renounced his own far-fetched conclusions.<br /><br />"good time"? Maybe, depending on how you get your jollies.<br />"waste of time"? Absolutely!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29658160124756057862016-07-18T17:33:19.132-07:002016-07-18T17:33:19.132-07:00on July 17, 2016 at 3:05 PM
Anonymous wrote, and ...on July 17, 2016 at 3:05 PM<br />Anonymous wrote, and Retired Prof reiterated:-<br /><br />"God also rebukes genuine Christians shortly after they commit a significant sin as well."<br /><br />Apart from a suggestion that all sin is significant I think most people forget that those who have fully accepted the sacrifice of Jesus Christ have been forgiven all sins, past, present and future. We are a "forgiven people". Maybe that's why so many of us are alive today.<br />I question the word 'rebuke' defined briefly by my Merriam-Webster as follows:-<br />REBUKE : to criticize sharply, to REPRIMAND<br />REPRIMAND : a severe or formal reproof<br />REPROOF ; criticism for a fault<br /><br />Perhaps I have a problem in that I have never experienced any of those things. That is not to say I do not sin, that's impossible, but that when I do it's that still, small voice that says "Wrong, Ralph, and you know it. Now settle down and return to Me."<br />No sharp criticism, no severe reproof just a loving voice that says 'repent'.<br />That's the kind of God that I follow.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17490139330645224742016-07-18T12:13:12.851-07:002016-07-18T12:13:12.851-07:00Retired Prof,
Wow, those are some personal things ...Retired Prof,<br />Wow, those are some personal things you shared.<br />I can relate because on both my wife's side and my side we have in-laws who were all once in HWA's church.<br /><br />They'll smack me now and then (figuratively) no matter how I try to avoid it.<br />It's somewhat inevitable given our cult background, I guess.<br /><br />I suppose that getting along "kinda"<br />is better than not getting along at all.<br /><br />They are our parents, after all. (Whether believing it's a random thing or a God-given chore.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11719844808200334742016-07-18T08:33:13.270-07:002016-07-18T08:33:13.270-07:00July 17, 2016 at 3:05 PM: "God also rebukes g...July 17, 2016 at 3:05 PM: "God also rebukes genuine Christians shortly after they commit a significant sin as well."<br /><br />I am not a Christian, and if the Christian god ever rebuked me, I failed to notice because I am blind to spiritual wavelengths and deaf to spiritual frequencies. In spite of those handicaps, I too feel rebuked when I have committed a significant sin--that is, when I have hurt someone else unnecessarily. As far as I can discern, it is my own conscience that rebukes me--that and my wife or my friends, who sometimes point out sins before I notice them. Naturally, I hope to retain their esteem. Ultimately, though, it is my desire not to think of myself as a thoughtless or cruel person that urges me to try to set things right when I have sinned.<br /><br />It is clear to me that eating swine's flesh (even on the Day of Atonement) going fishing on Saturday, and other violations of COG taboos are not sins. They are, as Robert Heinlein put it, "invented nonsense." In my teens I observed those taboos to avoid hurting my mother. When she told me I had to make my own choices and that she would support them, that was the time she demonstrated she was a Christian in the sense that matters. She refused to hurt me unnecessarily by expecting me to participate in rituals I did not believe in. We lived out the rest of her many, many years in mutual respect and love.Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4798672342024347972016-07-17T21:25:53.305-07:002016-07-17T21:25:53.305-07:00on July 17, 2016 at 2:56 PM
Byker Bob wrote:-
&qu...on July 17, 2016 at 2:56 PM<br />Byker Bob wrote:-<br /><br />"Bottom line is that none of us are here because we want everyone else to pattern their lives after our own. It is only a discussion, after all. We all must walk that lonesome valley for ourselves."<br /><br />About the best, if not the best, comment I've seen all week. "Hallelujah"<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39772447860765699252016-07-17T16:26:01.290-07:002016-07-17T16:26:01.290-07:00And once again, 3:05, you show us that you don'...And once again, 3:05, you show us that you don't know what "straw man" actually means.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38850816039137747052016-07-17T15:36:20.775-07:002016-07-17T15:36:20.775-07:00Anon3:05PM-
You obviously don't know the mean...Anon3:05PM-<br /><br />You obviously don't know the meaning of "straw man."<br /><br />Sure we can explain it. And we do so in exactly the same way we explain how Rome fell.Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52755917543895975142016-07-17T15:05:44.072-07:002016-07-17T15:05:44.072-07:0011.22 AM yours is a straw man definition of 'b...11.22 AM yours is a straw man definition of 'body of evidence.' God also rebukes genuine Christians shortly after they commit a significant sin as well. This is also part of the body of evidence that neither Dennis and the long haired guy can explain. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51337007606774134152016-07-17T14:56:32.210-07:002016-07-17T14:56:32.210-07:00Hey, Dennis is Dennis. He comes off as an idea ma...Hey, Dennis is Dennis. He comes off as an idea man, and an individual on an odyssey, including us on the ride if we are so inclined. Along the way, he leaves us with some nuggets, and also the occasional stinker. If he makes you think, then what the hey? He's done you a solid. <br /><br />Bottom line is that none of us are here because we want everyone else to pattern their lives after our own. It is only a discussion, after all. We all must walk that lonesome valley for ourselves.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com