tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post6602931696423476610..comments2024-03-28T05:59:44.118-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Are Living Church of God Members Already Disgruntled With Gerald Weston's Policies?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66361806907592796042018-09-15T18:06:27.857-07:002018-09-15T18:06:27.857-07:00They are brainwashed don't expect much from th...They are brainwashed don't expect much from this group. Lower your expectations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82139612851641959652018-01-25T09:15:38.062-08:002018-01-25T09:15:38.062-08:00I was in LCG for nearly 15 years.
I can tell you ...I was in LCG for nearly 15 years.<br /><br />I can tell you with confidence that no matter how disgruntled LCG members are or will become over Gerald Weston, they won't likely do anything about it. They will just swallow hard and remain miserable week after week, year after year.<br /><br />They will feed themselves lies about not letting a "few bad apples spoil the whole bunch" or how they are "being tested by God to remain faithful to His true church" or the ever popular belief that God will work it out in time.<br /><br />Because they sit and endure the toxic environment that is LCG, nothing will ever change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8899322689120870392018-01-24T18:14:24.315-08:002018-01-24T18:14:24.315-08:00Byker, the point is that Jeff Fall preaches about ...Byker, the point is that Jeff Fall preaches about manliness, and doesn't approve of female vanity in any form. He and his wife came from a Christian sect even more conservative than WCG, almost Amish-like in some respects, and some of the effects still linger. The hairspray comment doesn't come up when looking at other ministers with similar habits, because they don't say one thing while doing another. Fall's use of hairspray to manufacture a ridiculous Stepford hairdo is a very feminine and vain aspect of his conduct, very much in contrast to what he preaches. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45066525075315383932018-01-24T15:13:08.077-08:002018-01-24T15:13:08.077-08:00I have heard a couple of recent sermons from Geral...I have heard a couple of recent sermons from Gerald Weston that upset me. Check out the Church of the Great God sermons and material for spiritual food - they are absolutely wonderful. Also, the website of Steven M. Collins is really very interesting. He makes a lot of sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55209732366136783602018-01-24T08:11:25.305-08:002018-01-24T08:11:25.305-08:00Cognac Willie,
I think your assessment is spot on...Cognac Willie,<br /><br />I think your assessment is spot on.Ekklesianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60277516165359379312018-01-24T07:12:49.462-08:002018-01-24T07:12:49.462-08:00Far be it from me to defend an ACOG minister, but ...Far be it from me to defend an ACOG minister, but what’s up with commenting on the hairspray? I thought we all quit criticizing people’s grooming choices when we left Armstrongism.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60524713023856698332018-01-23T22:50:35.605-08:002018-01-23T22:50:35.605-08:00Anon 7:25 P.M. here. I’m not sure how much hairspr...Anon 7:25 P.M. here. I’m not sure how much hairspray Fall uses as compared to that many women, but I will say I’m deeply concerned about any open flames, or heat sources when he is in the area.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88653800138337876872018-01-23T18:47:34.413-08:002018-01-23T18:47:34.413-08:00Anon 7:25 PM, you seem familiar with LCG's Wes...Anon 7:25 PM, you seem familiar with LCG's Western Regional Pastor, so maybe you can clear something up for me.<br /><br />Is it true that Doctor Fall uses more hair-spray than any ten women in his congregations combined? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22236120549214761082018-01-23T06:47:01.624-08:002018-01-23T06:47:01.624-08:00I read your post too quickly, and I read sphincter...I read your post too quickly, and I read sphincter when you wrote splinter. My rendering might have been just as appropriate though.Gordon Feilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16920970799354430732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41558277119922482962018-01-22T22:11:27.761-08:002018-01-22T22:11:27.761-08:00As I understand it, a large group in Phoenix left ...As I understand it, a large group in Phoenix left Hulme and went with LCG. After time, they became disgruntled, directing their unhappiness at Bardo. At the same time, LCG hired Stephen Elliot as pastor in southern California, replacing a decent man, Darrell Lovelady, who transferred to Tennessee. Stephen Elliot's heavy hand was not well-liked in So Cal, so now there are 2 unhappy areas. So, LCG simply swapped pastors, essentially abandoning the once-strong, and once-outstanding Phoenix congregation. I'd bet money it was those abandoned LCG old-timers that went looking at COGWA.<br><br> The root cause? RCM's obsession to be recognized as the one, true COG leader. The Raymond McNair situation was the same thing. "If these people join us from another COG, that proves I'm God's designee. That's all I want. If the Phoenix congregation falls apart, so what? And the hell with Raymond, too; I got what I want. Let's just abandon Raymond by the side of the road to die, while we move the Charlotte."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23486527462909384272018-01-22T20:22:33.933-08:002018-01-22T20:22:33.933-08:00This may be a wild guess but I think that Armstron...This may be a wild guess but I think that Armstrongism will continue to fragment in the coming years. Anyone disagree?<br /><br />Armstrongism will not only fragment into pieces, but it will disappear like the Sadducees and the Boethusians after AD70.<br /><br />XXAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59808040151547707182018-01-22T19:25:06.345-08:002018-01-22T19:25:06.345-08:00Anon 12:22 PM here, unfortunately you are correct ...Anon 12:22 PM here, unfortunately you are correct Anon 4:08 PM. It’s like he’s so protected from the consequences of his mismanagement he could bring back a couple of sexual predators that other ministers suspended with no fallout. Oh wait.... he did. <br />P.S. I’m sure he’s butthurt you didn’t call him “Doctor Fall”. Lolz.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10627181386225736742018-01-22T18:47:35.894-08:002018-01-22T18:47:35.894-08:00This may be a wild guess but I think that Armstron...This may be a wild guess but I think that Armstrongism will continue to fragment in the coming years. Anyone disagree?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60577665545057963322018-01-22T16:08:57.843-08:002018-01-22T16:08:57.843-08:00Anon 12:22 PM, LCG Regional Pastor Jeff Fall is Ro...Anon 12:22 PM, LCG Regional Pastor Jeff Fall is Rod McNair's father-in-law. As a result, he is protected from any consequences of his mismanagement. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41317824992457495262018-01-22T15:09:15.755-08:002018-01-22T15:09:15.755-08:00I'm waiting to see what John Pilger has to say...I'm waiting to see what John Pilger has to say about it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11478784558935844432018-01-22T15:05:43.112-08:002018-01-22T15:05:43.112-08:00Weston is ticking me off and I'm not even in t...Weston is ticking me off and I'm not even in the LCG! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3269225740562842902018-01-22T13:45:03.527-08:002018-01-22T13:45:03.527-08:00It would be helpful to know whether the 30 defecto...It would be helpful to know whether the 30 defectors to COGWA are old Hulmites who can't abide Elliott cracking the LCG whip, or whether they are loyal to the former pastor (Bardo) who has been transferred to a new pastorate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71569584781318297992018-01-22T12:22:31.592-08:002018-01-22T12:22:31.592-08:00This is a at least in part due to some friction be...This is a at least in part due to some friction between Meredith’s policitcally motivated acquiring of some people and ministry from David Hulme’s group a few years back. The friction has been there for a while and the illustrious regional pastor’s idea of conflict resolution is to ignore problems and hope they go away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28695754574845616942018-01-22T10:49:38.949-08:002018-01-22T10:49:38.949-08:00Weston has a long history of being a heavy-handed ...Weston has a long history of being a heavy-handed taskmaster that interferes with church members lives. The youth that had to live under his heavy hand have almost all left the church. Combine his control with the perverse stranglehold Rod McNair has over members and LCG is doomed to destruction. These two are a lethal pair and members need to be on the guard from them. I applaud the members who reached out to COGWA as an alternative to LCG, though I fear they are just jumping from one heavy-handed fire to another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66899320517680528702018-01-22T10:40:58.939-08:002018-01-22T10:40:58.939-08:00cogwa is the epitome of the cogs masquerading as s...cogwa is the epitome of the cogs masquerading as sheep in wolves clothing. While the hypocrisy and self-righteousness of many cog leaders are blatantly apparent, cogwa lies low in a sinister way. Judgmental and condemning attitudes from the self-righteous hirelings are as rampant in cogwa as in other cogs, but just more carefully concealed. cogwa is a splinter founded on lies and slander more than anything biblical, harshly ruled by the cronyism, and for the financial support of, the good ole boy's country clubbers. It is a whited sepulcher to beware of. <br /><br />lcg members may be rightfully discontent with their current lcg hireling in Phoenix, but my, and others', dealings with Capo, the cogwa hireling, have proven him to lack integrity and substance, as is true with the majority in cogwa. As someone is fond of saying, "Caponey the phoney." Call them company men or hirelings, but they are pervasive in the cult of acogdom and cannot be escaped by simply changing organizations. Spiritual inbreeding and indoctrination from the AC and WCG years have seemingly produced a limited genetic pool in the cogs, no matter what their differences, as each claims either directly or by inference to be the only true cog. <br /> <br />Cognac Willienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9678024446110100792018-01-22T09:54:14.146-08:002018-01-22T09:54:14.146-08:00RCM was harsh but not able to stay focused on so m...RCM was harsh but not able to stay focused on so many balls in the air so some things were allowed to slide. <br /><br />Weston is sharp and unrelenting. He forgets nothing and he lets nothing slide.<br /><br />LCG is headed to Pack-Flurry town. <br /><br />Many more moderate members prefer to stay out of that ditch. They are now at the precipices of having to remain in LCG with the comfort of their familiar church with all their friends (even though it's on the road to crazy town) or if they're going to make a stand and stay out of the Weston ditch.<br /><br />Since they are a relatively spineless group of followers (as a whole), I'm guessing they will just hold their noses and go along with Weston even if they disagree. <br /><br />Denial is a powerful force. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12020106222992285322018-01-22T09:49:09.929-08:002018-01-22T09:49:09.929-08:00I wonder if the ACOGers ever wonder why their numb...I wonder if the ACOGers ever wonder why their numbers are shrinking exponentially year by year. If they were doing such a great job "doing the work" and "keeping the law of God", then wouldn't they be shown blessings?<br /><br />When this next generation hits the grave (the 70 somethings), the anemic membership numbers will be down by half.<br /><br />Hopefully the younger members take a minute to read their Bibles instead of HWA propaganda so they can realize how much HWA and their parents got wrong.<br /><br />ACOGers are utterly brainwashed and completely guilty of cherry-picking scriptures just like the Catholics do. When you read the ENTIRE Bible is shocking to learn how much WCG had wrong!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55804075760648329262018-01-22T09:44:14.751-08:002018-01-22T09:44:14.751-08:00Well, Dennis, I think people do change sometimes b...Well, Dennis, I think people do change sometimes but only after they are convinced that their old ways weren't working. GW's old ways have been working quite well for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9552124720257654232018-01-22T09:44:00.354-08:002018-01-22T09:44:00.354-08:00LCG won't let these people get away with this ...LCG won't let these people get away with this "visit". LCG ministers/ HQs will add this to the permanent file Rod McNair keeps on all members who might be less than 150% willing to lick his boots.<br /><br />LCG squashes free will and open mindedness. All they know is harshness and heavy-handedness.<br /><br />I hope these people liked what they saw in COGWA because life in LCG will never bee the same. Even if they are permitted to come back to LCG they will always be treated differently because they had the nerve to visit another ACOG. LCG members excel at covert forms of shunning and gossip. Eventually, these people will leave even if they don't want to just because they will be sick of getting the cold shoulder from their LCG peers. <br /><br />LCG has no clue about empathy or compassion. They are the most love-less church I have ever experienced. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34513953694854661252018-01-22T09:22:40.717-08:002018-01-22T09:22:40.717-08:00Wedding supper in heaven? I didn't think spiri...Wedding supper in heaven? I didn't think spirit beings have to eat. Do they go to the toilet or what? What is the common belief for the location of Christ's wedding supper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com