tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post663158463664555662..comments2024-03-28T22:34:16.707-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: The Remarkable Story of The Mysterious ThD and Subtle Deceptions of Bob ThielNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42169088136506025972019-12-24T15:23:50.220-08:002019-12-24T15:23:50.220-08:00Robert J. Thiel looks to DEMONS and PAGANS and PAG...<br />Robert J. Thiel looks to <b>DEMONS</b> and <b>PAGANS</b> and <b>PAGAN PROPHECIES</b> and <b>FAKE NEWS ON TELEVISION</b> hoping that they will help him to GUESS the future so he can pretend to be a <b>TRUE PROPHET OF GOD</b>.<br /><br />Does anyone see the problem with this?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6233314140482239422019-12-03T19:18:56.361-08:002019-12-03T19:18:56.361-08:00He is a scam he never attend Ambassador College! He is a scam he never attend Ambassador College! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24559338888384822072019-12-02T22:43:19.842-08:002019-12-02T22:43:19.842-08:00There was a fellow in LCG-Los Angeles who called a...There was a fellow in LCG-Los Angeles who called all the elders "Mr". This was seen by the congregation as disrespectful, because of Dr. Fall, Dr. Roach, Dr. Pace, and Dr. Meredith. As far as I know, the elders themselves had no problem being called "Mr", but the membership thought it was intentionally disrespectful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79312155392426665522019-12-02T21:41:51.317-08:002019-12-02T21:41:51.317-08:00"Oxford Tennessee"
Would they yield the..."Oxford Tennessee"<br /><br />Would they yield their opinions to a scholar from "Jerusalem" (Yates County NY)?<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17563828475414723922019-12-02T14:01:52.403-08:002019-12-02T14:01:52.403-08:00"Oxford, Tennessee"
According to Jed Cl..."Oxford, Tennessee"<br /><br />According to Jed Clampett, his nephew Jethro Bodine went to school in Oxford Tennessee, but only for a few years of elementary school. As for theology, Granny said they were "Golden Rule People".Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31295474512516830482019-12-02T11:41:38.328-08:002019-12-02T11:41:38.328-08:00I don't believe anyone can question nor need t...I don't believe anyone can question nor need to Bob's credentials for his chosen profession. It's the ministry, prophet and theologian credentials that are at question if he is going to list or claim them. <br /><br />When debating Art Mokarrow a few years back in Tyler, Texas in front of the church, he brought a second person up on the stage he did not tell me about. No biggy but he was introduced as "An Oxford Trained Theologian". Hmmm, well that's not a problem either because if so he would agree more with me than the COGs as to Biblical origins and problems etc. However he began by speaking of Adam and Eve as if they were really our first parents etc which seemed odd if not incredible for an Oxford theologian. A tap on the leg and a 3x5 card came next in my lap which clarified it. "Oxford, Tennessee". The hayseed theology I was hearing now matched the source it seemed. <br /><br />Credentials can be dicey when one insists on being a theologian of sorts.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31874920412531588172019-12-02T10:39:07.722-08:002019-12-02T10:39:07.722-08:00Bob went on for more than 1,000 additional words.....<i>Bob went on for more than 1,000 additional words...</i><br /><br />"...for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking" [Mt 6:7 KJV]<br /><br />Bob's postings are way too lengthy, often with embedded links to other articles, and end in dozens of links yet more articles. This reminds me of old WCG booklets and reprints that told you to send for other booklets and reprints which in turn told you to send for more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65297731203877051142019-12-02T08:48:31.505-08:002019-12-02T08:48:31.505-08:00his writing style comes off as "high schoolis...<i>his writing style comes off as "high schoolish".... not at all like other PhDs I've read, but maybe he does that on purpose.</i><br /><br />As many who have met Bob in person will tell you, he is dogged and determined more than he is bright. When he is cornered in a dispute, he will try to wear you down with a barrage of self-justifying words rather than with a few carefully chosen and convincing words. As the poster up-thread noted, just look at Bob's response to Gary's attack on his education. It took Bob no more than 50 words to deal with his actual accredited degrees, and another 200 words to skewer Gary for confusing his Ph.D. and Th.D. But then, Bob went on for more than 1,000 additional words trying to explain away the sketchiness of his Th.D. <br /><br />If there were not something sketchy about Bob's pursuit of the degree, all he needed to write was: "Dr. Winnail approved of my idea to enhance my usefulness to Living University by earning a Th.D. from a university that made study feasible for a busy naturopath." Less than 50 words. The fact that Bob instead groans on for more than 1,000 words, winding back and forth about all sorts of trivia, tells us what we need to know, that even the Bitter Bwana himself is privately embarrassed that the whole enterprise was more than a bit of a scam, even if he is psychologically unable to admit that embarrassment to himself.<br /><br />TL;DR: Bob uses words like a battering ram, not a scalpel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65796828885146289102019-12-02T06:47:25.999-08:002019-12-02T06:47:25.999-08:00well it looks like Dr. Bob has cleaned your plow i...well it looks like Dr. Bob has cleaned your plow in his latest post concerning his degrees.....<br /><br />I have no doubt that he is an intelligent man and he has a tremendous amount of very good material on his site, but I don't believe for a minute that he's a prophet...that whole scenario was inflated if you ask me.<br /><br />his writing style comes off as "high schoolish".... not at all like other PhDs I've read, but maybe he does that on purpose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71564363803466277572019-12-01T21:15:30.189-08:002019-12-01T21:15:30.189-08:00Hoss said... “I remember Rod Meredith, in an FOT s...Hoss said... “I remember Rod Meredith, in an FOT sermon, said he didn't care if he was called Dr or Mr Meredith. A few years later, in a WN article, it was claimed Rod decided using Doctor was vain, and from then on he was to be addressed as Mr Meredith...”<br /><br />So RCM basically gave his followers the choice to call him doctor or master. How about the choice to call him by his first name or brother? Did he even have qualifications to be titled Dr in the first place? And if not then he shouldn’t be called Dr. And re Mr I think our real Master had some words about using such a title among the Christian brotherhood... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23247222154330000062019-12-01T19:29:29.263-08:002019-12-01T19:29:29.263-08:00I'm not doubting that Bob has legitimate PhD a...I'm not doubting that Bob has legitimate PhD and ThD degrees. Just wondering why he affixes PhD after his name on CCOG literature and not ThD? Or both? Wouldn't one expect a religious author to use his doctorate in Theology rather than one in Science?<br /><br />I don't recall any WCG minister using academic titles in their by-lines in church literature. I remember Rod Meredith, in an FOT sermon, said he didn't care if he was called Dr or Mr Meredith. A few years later, in a <i>WN</i> article, it was claimed Rod decided using <i>Doctor</i> was vain, and from then on he was to be addressed as <i>Mr</i> Meredith...Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46406727887648028092019-12-01T16:24:49.966-08:002019-12-01T16:24:49.966-08:00Anonymous said...
Gee John, lighten up!
D...Anonymous said...<br /><br /> Gee John, lighten up!<br /> December 1, 2019 at 10:41 AM <br /><br />Come on 10:41, don't be so rough on the Apostle John.<br /><br />He loves to come here and diatribe and pontificate his nonsense to us lowly creatures.<br /><br />Apparently, he cannot restrain himself from bloviating, even after he knows no one here can stand his schtick.<br /><br />And, as he says, <br /><br /><br />"time will tell", but things over time begin to SMELL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22882935736709357142019-12-01T16:00:18.773-08:002019-12-01T16:00:18.773-08:00So Bobby Thiel went to the same school of "hi...So Bobby Thiel went to the same school of "higher education" that also advertises stuff like ---<br /><br />"Can You Draw Tippy the Turtle?" <br /><br />OR <br /><br />Winky the Deer, or Reggie the Raccoon, or Spunky the Donkey.??<br /><br />Sounds like Thiel's TCU credits were similar, or the equivalent of a correspondence course found on a Matchbook cover. <br /><br />My "TRUCK MASTERS SCHOOL OF TRUCKING" certificate is more valid for theological discussion and credibility than Thiel's IMHO! Tontohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13873139126751398500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-19617817318962370922019-12-01T14:03:54.545-08:002019-12-01T14:03:54.545-08:00"Dick" Head at 12:43 PM wondered about B..."Dick" Head at 12:43 PM wondered about Bob's latest posting in butt-hurt response to Banned.<br /><br />Notice that it took Bitter Bwana Bob fewer than 50 words to discuss his legitimate accredited degrees. It took him another 200 words to refute Gary's apparent mistake (or was it just a typo?) confusing Bob's Ph.D. and Th.D.<br /><br />It then took Bob more than 1,000 more words to weasel around the circumstances of his shady diploma mill Protestant Th.D.<br /><br />The volume of words alone should tell us as much as the words themselves. Richard Taternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85980565308118357412019-12-01T13:58:46.343-08:002019-12-01T13:58:46.343-08:00"We may disagree with Bob, but nobody has had..."<i>We may disagree with Bob, but nobody has had reason to question his sincerity and integrity before.</i>"<br /><br />Gavin said this in 2016? Really? All due respect to Gavin, his blog, and his memory, but this entails bending so far back to try to be generous that it requires a trip to the spine doctor afterwards.<br /><br />All other frauds Bob has a history of with respect to his "health" related "businesses" notwithstanding, let's not forget that Bob left LCG and set up CCOG on December 28, 2012 upon fraudulent and patently absurd claims about his being a "true prophet," and by 2016 had already embarked upon his Elijah nonsense to boot.<br /><br />Seriously, Bob was already well into his career claiming to be a guy <i>foretold in the bible</i> by that time, so, yeah, I don't think Bob had anything close to what most reasonable people would consider "integrity" to even still need reasons to "question" its existence by 2016.<br /><br />2016 is kind of late to be starting to question an integrity that I'm not sure Bob ever even had to start with. But better late than never.<br /><br />Is generosity that's dishonest really generosity, or is it just being complicit in Bob's frauds by trying to prop up his reputation? No matter how well intended, I think it's wrong to mislead people by vouching for the integrity of hucksters and frauds.<br /><br />Sorry, I know Gavin did a lot of good work too, and I don't want to sully his memory, but this was not Gavin's high water mark. Gavin was still only human, of course, so, all things in perspective.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40121896036345132182019-12-01T12:43:36.630-08:002019-12-01T12:43:36.630-08:00In all fairness
is banned going to respond to thi...In all fairness <a href="https://www.cogwriter.com/news/cog-news/banned-ambassador-watch-living-university-and-my-ph-d-and-th-d/" rel="nofollow"><br />is banned going to respond to this?</a>Richard Headnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42703923516261240472019-12-01T10:41:03.475-08:002019-12-01T10:41:03.475-08:00Gee John, lighten up!Gee John, lighten up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31711414186465527542019-12-01T07:37:51.418-08:002019-12-01T07:37:51.418-08:00Comment was made saying: "...2016 Postscript....Comment was made saying: "...2016 Postscript. Bob's alma mater admits that it is indeed not accredited, no big surprise, so it seems his PhD is indeed only a pretty piece of paper, a vanity qualification. Vanity is one of the seven deadly sins, isn't it?..."<br /><br />According to the Bible on vanity and sin we may read the following:<br /><br />"Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:" Isa 5:18 <br /><br />And vanity, according to Strong's Concordance, is described as:<br /><br />07723 \^awv\^ shav’ shawv or<br />\^wv\^ shav shav<br /><br />from the same as 07722 in the sense of desolating; n m; [BDB-996a] {See TWOT on 2338 @@ "2338a"}<br /><br />AV-vain 22, vanity 22, false 5, lying 2, falsely 1, lies 1; 53<br /><br />1) emptiness, vanity, falsehood<br />1a) emptiness, nothingness, vanity<br />1b) emptiness of speech, lying<br />1c) worthlessness (of conduct)<br /><br />So, what would a vanity qualification be? Sin? No, but emptiness, falsehood, nothingness, etc.? Possibly.<br /><br />But, then again, what is the creation all about?<br /><br />"For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope," Romans 8:20<br /><br />And vanity, via Strong's Concordance, means what?<br /><br />3153 ματαιότης mataiotes mat-ah-yot’-ace<br /><br />from 3152; n f; TDNT-4:523,571; {See TDNT 471}<br /><br />AV-vanity 3; 3<br /><br />1) what is devoid of truth and appropriateness<br />2) perverseness, depravity<br />3) frailty, want of vigour<br /><br />Could Bob T's PhD be devoid of truth, appropriateness, etc.? Bob T best stop boasting about his credentials before he gets a "3rd degree," but again...<br /><br />Time will tell...<br /><br />John<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89508868232434843432019-12-01T07:06:02.019-08:002019-12-01T07:06:02.019-08:00Is Thiel's Ph.D. any less obnoxious than the M...Is Thiel's Ph.D. any less obnoxious than the M.A. degrees in Theology earned by Living Church of God ministers so they could teach at Living University? Thiel purchased his Ph.D. from a school that let him write his dissertation without serious faculty oversight. Several LCG pastors, by contrast, went to schools like Jerry Falwell's Liberty University ( LU ! ) where they were required to learn and parrot the Protestant approach to Christian theology, which may explain why so many have noticed a marked slide toward Protestantism in LCG ever since Charles Bryce was forced out as CAD Director. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com