tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post6797193991847527878..comments2024-03-28T09:55:49.032-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: PCG Asks: Is It Normal to Hear Voices in Your Head?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45609752084686611482017-07-08T04:08:02.839-07:002017-07-08T04:08:02.839-07:00People who hear voices in their head need to seek ...People who hear voices in their head need to seek appropriate medical advice. How dare this Sam Livingston should say that they are the voices of demons. Shame on him and those above him who authorized this garbage to be published. Hearing voices that are not there is very distressing. The last thing they need is to hear superstitious nonsense like that. All that is happening is that their brain is not quite working right and is hearing and seeing things that is not actually happening. Such persons need seek appropriate medical attention. Not the COG "minister."<br /><br />What appalling behavior from PCG.Redfox712https://www.blogger.com/profile/17734930967002040931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85619845743160654362017-07-05T20:29:20.170-07:002017-07-05T20:29:20.170-07:00Voices in their heads? Maybe WWE superstar Randy O...Voices in their heads? Maybe WWE superstar Randy Orton should join the PCGthe Ocelothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042237147554687481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8072310168517378022017-07-05T17:07:48.990-07:002017-07-05T17:07:48.990-07:00When I was attending GCI, long after all the chang...When I was attending GCI, long after all the changes, their were people in my local assembly that believed angels spoke to them in dreams. Yes they were kooky but I looked over it.Anonymous '74noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47265130986957763932017-07-05T16:46:48.293-07:002017-07-05T16:46:48.293-07:00I don't have voices in my head. Rather, I get...I don't have voices in my head. Rather, I get text messages in my head! LOL!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41473310724968772322017-07-05T15:23:08.195-07:002017-07-05T15:23:08.195-07:00I guess none of these religious leaders have tried...I guess none of these religious leaders have tried drugs - I mean the psychedelics. It would pretty much explain a lot of those auditory hallucinations. A certain percentage of people get both visual and auditory hallucinations without drugs and without being crazy, but it can be explained by some kind of brain chemical blip. I doubt it there is any way a human being could know for sure that what they witness is not an hallucination. Generally from day to day we know something is real because it is something familiar to us that other people around us are also experiencing, but if you see a purple unicorn what would you think? first maybe someone turned a horse into a unicorn using a fake horn? and then we would check if others around us could see it too. If no one else sees it chances are its an hallucination. If a person has taken psycho active drugs then at least there is the expectation that you might see or hear something not real. <br /><br />In the present material and scientifically advanced world, a loving god wouldn't choose to reveal himself through hallucinations, because not only would people not believe it, but we would all think the person seeing such things (including ourselves) was insane. <br /><br />There are even such things as mass hallucinations, where a group of people see the same unreal thing, but generally this occurs in a shared drug experience. Things like shamanistic ceremonies often involve the use of drugs.<br /><br />But if Jesus or some heavenly figure appears to the whole earth in the future well I think we would believe it only if everyone else is experiencing the same thing......<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68436851074266272312017-07-05T11:46:38.639-07:002017-07-05T11:46:38.639-07:00"People struggling with psychotic symptoms sh..."People struggling with psychotic symptoms shouldn't be advised to emphasize the meaning of auditory hallucinations"<br /><br />AMEN!<br /><br />If indeed the Armstrongs and original leaders of the WCG realized it, it was probably why they emphatically stated that God did not speak TO THE BRETHREN in auditory fashion. I know of people whose lives were altered and lessened by people who did not accept that, no doubt because of the intensity of their auditory phenomena. There are also people in the mainstream that either hear these auditory hallucinations or fake them, and believe me, they do try to control or manipulate others with them, and unfortunately, naive people allow them to do it.<br /><br />The question everybody should be asking themselves is whether an all-knowing God who is aware of diseases of the mind that have probably existed from the beginning of man, and of the enemy, would use this form of communication with humans in the first place. Who is going to be bold enough to attempt to "vet" God? And, Satan would just lie.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9132889180783666552017-07-05T06:43:46.062-07:002017-07-05T06:43:46.062-07:00Of course every prophet and significant Bible char...Of course every prophet and significant Bible character is a significant Bible character because they trusted, followed and obeyed the voices in their heads, attributed to God of course and not any Satan. Judaism is founded upon the voices in the heads of the patriarchs and Christianity by the voices in the heads of Gospel Jesus and Damascus Road Paul. The hallucination of religion is founded upon hallucinations that others did not experience but are supposed to trust as good and true.<br /><br />The Apostle Paul, hedging a bit on the fact he was speaking of himself, notes:<br /><br />Paul's Revelation 2 Cor 12<br />1I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to gain, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows.4was caught up into Paradise. The things he heard were too sacred for words, things that man is not permitted to tell.… "<br /><br />Here Paul claims there is no point boasting and then goes on to boast. (Like Dave Pack) Paul goes to all the trouble of telling all he's special but that he can't tell anyone what he heard in his head or thinks he saw. (Dave again). Paul simply was establishing his specialness with a tall tale, (Like Dr. Bob)but could not tell you what he saw or heard because it never happened and he couldn't make anything that spectacular up. <br /><br />Aside from obvious schizophrenia, which is a mental illness that generally strikes late teen into the twenties and sometimes in men midlife. It is a very complicated and debilitating condition. It may be the person hears his own internal dialogue but the brain does not recognize it as it's own voice. Perhaps not. <br /><br />But plainly, this article on hearing voices would attract the God/Satan haunted types with a simplistic explanation. It is bullshit Bronze Age baloney. It is also a simplistic danger to people who have genuine issues that are not in any way related to Satan or religion. Religion however can draw these types to itself and rather than get help, get delusional and untreated.<br /><br />Specific criticisms of the hearing voices approach include:<br /><br />Using ideas that don't support science-based ways of understanding illness<br /><br />Undermines people's trust in medical help that might be crucial to their wellbeing<br /><br />Encourages people to focus on their voices when they may be having a hard time differentiating between what's real and what's not real<br /><br />Doesn't recognize the very different needs of people with severe mental illnesses<br />by failing to differentiate between the needs of people who actually have psychotic disorders and those who don't, HVM poses serious risks<br /><br />Poses real danger for the substantial number of people who lack insight into their psychotic disorder<br /><br />People struggling with psychotic symptoms shouldn't be advised to emphasize the meaning of auditory hallucinationsDennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14317591874622120222017-07-05T02:25:57.830-07:002017-07-05T02:25:57.830-07:009:33
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Asians are known for their patience in a...9:33<br /><br />1st<br />Asians are known for their patience in any endeavor.<br />GTA was a Korea veteran after all, having assisted in the seperation of South from North, or vice versa depending on your place on the map!<br /><br />2nd<br />In the "magnum opus" US &B in prophecy HWA spefically mentions the destruction of<br />"London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, New York, Washington, Philadelphia,<br />Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh<br /><br />So the first to be concerned would be the East Coast which North Korea cannot reach yet.<br />AND those with offices in Birmingham and London. Which would have been Gerald Weston's base, PCG and remnants of WCG. HWA did not mention West Coast cities like Pasadena.<br /><br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22612234054698258482017-07-04T21:33:34.611-07:002017-07-04T21:33:34.611-07:00This is unrelated, but I wonder if any of the prop...This is unrelated, but I wonder if any of the prophecy moguls of the ACOGs are making anything of the fact that the North Koreans call their ICBM "HWAsong"?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17185864299625983692017-07-04T20:17:14.455-07:002017-07-04T20:17:14.455-07:00"understanding that this world is held captiv..."understanding that this world is held captive by the devil, they would be able to understand why so many people are hearing voices and why those numbers have increased since the mid-1980s."<br /><br />Pretty amazing: here are church leaders actually admitting their own delusion.<br />This article is seriously arguing that voices people hear in their heads <i>are actual voices of other entities</i> (demons or the devil).<br /><br />Not hallucinations or other mental phenomena.<br /><br />They are therefore as deluded than the people who actually experience the phenomena.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65694992163196424522017-07-04T18:43:58.789-07:002017-07-04T18:43:58.789-07:00I hear voices in my head, they ask questions and I...I hear voices in my head, they ask questions and I answer! Problem ???John Cafourek Is An Assholenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81110523652715236702017-07-04T14:14:17.859-07:002017-07-04T14:14:17.859-07:00Now guys, be careful! One of those voices in Butt...Now guys, be careful! One of those voices in Butthurt Bob's head may just angry with you for pointing out he hears voices. I don't think the fine folk in Africa want to know that Butthurt Bob has voices running around in his head.I knew Bob in LCG when the voices started talking to himnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-576287798063194042017-07-04T13:51:27.268-07:002017-07-04T13:51:27.268-07:00I think we can safely predict how they will use th...I think we can safely predict how they will use this information, but it is fascinating that someone from Armstrongism would even be acknowledging and discussing it. This sort of thing could blow their gig!<br /><br />There are a number of mental phenomena experienced by a small percentage of the population, not mainstream, therefore there is stigma attached, and those gifted won't reveal or discuss them. Synesthesia affects supposedly 4.4% of the gen pop. It involves cross perception of senses of various combinations. Some see numbers printed in black in specific color. As an example the number 2 might always appear to them in blue. Some see distances between written numbers which approximate the distance from one another on the actual table or scale. Some musicians or composers who have perfect pitch perceive musical notes not only by their sound, but also in color. It is as effective as tuning one's guitar by meter. Most people experiencing synesthesia are normal and highly functional in everyday life, and we wouldn't know who they are unless they trusted us and let us in.<br /><br />I don't have this type of "gift" My gifts and vibes are in tune with electro-mechanical devices. But, I'd have a big problem with most of the types of people with mental gifts who parlayed it into a guru type situation and took it upon themselves to tell others how they must live. There are also people who fake these gifts. I can't fake mine. Either I have your equipment up and running or I don't know my ox, ass, or maidservant from a hole in the ground. But a good effective orator can convince you that the voices he hears are from God, manipulating you out of your life and soul. <br /><br />You might pay me well to support your machinery, but as soon as it's up and running, you're going to earn back my fee in short order. Now, if only we could get the religious charlatans to do that, we'd be on to all of the things which they pretend are so!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com