tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post7096317578253358498..comments2024-03-29T02:57:52.065-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Philadelphia Church of God: It's Men Are Still Trying to Discover Their Manhood So They Can Protect Their WomenNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91664837415318683952016-08-17T12:40:13.476-07:002016-08-17T12:40:13.476-07:00Anon @8.35am, on reading the next passage in MoA p...Anon @8.35am, on reading the next passage in MoA p 265:"...The prophets set in the foundation of the Church are those of the Old Testament, whose writings were used to form a considerable part of New Testament and gospel teaching and functioning. No prophets are mentioned as having either administrative, executive or preaching functions in the New Testament Church...."<br /><br />And poof! goes the claim that GRF is "that prophet" according to HWA. Of course this particular section is edited out in the PCG's version of MoA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42428914282280483352016-08-17T08:35:11.256-07:002016-08-17T08:35:11.256-07:00RSK said...“Flurry declared himself an apostle in ...<br /><i>RSK said...“Flurry declared himself an apostle in 2010. Oddly, on the same reasoning that his kid maligned Tkach Sr for using the title.”</i><br /><br /><br />Herbert W. Armstrong had explained that the word “apostle” does not mean something weird or strange, but rather “one sent forth” to preach the gospel of the kingdom of God. HWA had taught that preaching the good news of the coming kingdom of God and feeding the sheep was the real purpose of the church (see page 265 of <i>Mystery of the Ages</i> by HWA, under the subheading <i>Real Purpose of the Church</i>).<br /><br />Gerald Flurry immediately dropped preaching the gospel, saying that HWA had already preached it, and made up his own new commission to bad-mouth the Laodiceans and cause massive division in the church, including in his own members' families. Gerald Flurry had bumbled around for about the first twenty years of his PCG scam wanting to be a prophet before he even realized that HWA had taught that the church was led by an apostle rather than by a prophet. So, Gerald finally added that title too to his collection of titles that he had been making up for himself over the years to try to find meaning and purpose for his miserable little existence.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36995791217673717212016-08-16T22:05:10.772-07:002016-08-16T22:05:10.772-07:00"What makes the bible holy?"
Apparent...<i> "What makes the bible holy?" </i> <br /><br />Apparently, for many people, it became "holy" when fancy pants Herbie said it was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7657159731643659952016-08-16T17:11:18.809-07:002016-08-16T17:11:18.809-07:00Since the PCG obtained the copyrights to HWA's...Since the PCG obtained the copyrights to HWA's literature everything has fallen apart. <br /><br />Up to that point they strung the members along to the tune of "once we obtain the rights to print Mystery of the Ages we will be able to do a worldwide work".<br /><br />The members happily sent millions in and waited with eager anticipation. In 2003 the PCG acquired the copyrights, then what?<br /><br />As soon as they got the copyright in 2003, then PCG HQ had to have college buildings, then a multi-million dollar admin building, then an auditorium, then another multi-million dollar college building in the UK, then a million dollar-plus Irish dance facility, and soon a multi-million dollar jet plane because the Flurry family don't like rubbing shoulders with the tourist scum in economy whilst on their way to Irish dancing competitions.<br /><br />You get the drift...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60595834642982188612016-08-16T14:17:53.122-07:002016-08-16T14:17:53.122-07:00Flurry declared himself an apostle in 2010. Oddly,...Flurry declared himself an apostle in 2010. Oddly, on the same reasoning that his kid maligned Tkach Sr for using the title. RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56332956002896528112016-08-16T11:41:08.732-07:002016-08-16T11:41:08.732-07:00It was never called "holy" till 1611. T...It was never called "holy" till 1611. Till then it was considered a collection of books.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71157934222692004772016-08-16T11:25:17.368-07:002016-08-16T11:25:17.368-07:00What makes the bible holy?
What makes the bible holy? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45208807124112523672016-08-16T10:39:52.283-07:002016-08-16T10:39:52.283-07:006.12PM you fail to mention that Herbie was frequen...6.12PM you fail to mention that Herbie was frequency addressed in reverential tones of "Gods chosen apostle," so he too had a fancy pants title. Christ said 'call no man you Master,' but there's no getting around human creativity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26746234461610506512016-08-15T18:12:27.620-07:002016-08-15T18:12:27.620-07:00Gerald Bronkar said...
“The ignorance, violence a...<br /><i>Gerald Bronkar said...<br /><br />“The ignorance, violence and depravity in the pages of this book is astounding, and yet we proclaim it to be the 'Word of God'.”</i><br /><br /><br />The World is full of all sorts of ignorance, violence, and depravity. It is what it is, whether you believe in God or not. The Bible just records the way things are and what actually happens in real life. If you want to see ignorance, violence, and depravity, just look inside the PCG.<br /><br />The laws of God, if truly obeyed, would cut out a lot of the ignorance, violence, and depravity that exist today. Of course, many people would not like that. Realize that there is some disagreement today about what constitutes “depravity.” Remember that what God calls an “abomination” (KJV) and “detestable” (NIV) is what some people today consider to be normal and good and something to be proud of. As one of the Psalms puts it, “The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men” (Psalm 12:8, NIV).<br /><br />Some people ignore Jesus' warning to beware of false prophets, and follow a false prophet like Gerald Flurry, even though HWA had taught that the church was led by an apostle, not by a prophet, and that, “No prophets are mentioned as having either administrative, executive or preaching functions in the New Testament Church” (see <i>Mystery of the Ages</i> by HWA, pages 244-245 of the original hardcover edition). [NOTE: This line got deleted from Gerald Flurry's edited and changed version of the book.] Gerald Flurry committed the identity theft of the ages in the so-called COGs when he originally stole from Jesus for himself the title of “That Prophet” from Deuteronomy 18:18-19 so that people would fear and obey him rather than Jesus. One of God's own Ten Commandments says, “Honor your father and your mother” (Exodus 20:12, NIV), so it is not surprising that That False Prophet would now try to get his followers to break up their families.<br /><br />Some people go a whoring after false prophets like Gerald Flurry. When they become dissatisfied with the false prophet, they reject the Bible too, even though they never actually followed it. These demon-followers wasted their lives closing their eyes, covering their ears, and blathering away about the “evil Laodiceans.” They would neither look, nor listen, nor learn. The Bible was of no interest to them. Eventually, some of them leave the PCG. Then, they speak out against the Bible, the book that they neither read nor understood nor obeyed, because they were too busy following a false prophet who got them used to doing the exact, diametrical opposite of what the Bible teaches.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31400420404509497902016-08-15T14:18:17.705-07:002016-08-15T14:18:17.705-07:00Gerald, I read the bible every day because it is a...Gerald, I read the bible every day because it is accurate. Some things never change. The laws of the universe, human behaviour, Gods dealings with people. Today's culture pretends evil doesn't exist or trivializes it. The bible by contrast, pulls no punches. Cain versus Abel, the wicked trying to destroy the righteous is constantly mentioned. Personal experience confirms this phenomenon. The closest even conservatives get to condemning evil, is talking in terms of collectivism versus individualism. It seems that they too are afraid of being thrown over the cliff, as they attempted to do with Christ.<br />The bible is the most accurate book ever written, if read with a open mind. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78952859790448032282016-08-15T14:16:09.186-07:002016-08-15T14:16:09.186-07:00I'm calling on the real men in PCG, both of yo...I'm calling on the real men in PCG, both of you, to throw Cruelpepper n Hellicker out....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81052272369254807562016-08-15T12:38:28.137-07:002016-08-15T12:38:28.137-07:00I was just contemplating, over the weekend. What ...I was just contemplating, over the weekend. What reasons could people possibly have for remaining in Armstrongism?<br /><br />1) Friends and family are still there.<br /><br />2) It's unshakable habit after all these years.<br /><br />3) Somehow expect the BI and German-Assyrian prophecies to actually end up being fulfilled in this lifetime.<br /><br />4) Believe their splinter leader is the only apostle or prophet, and HWA's only legitimate heir; live in fear of him.<br /><br />5) Committed to HWA's apostleship and the 18 restored "truths". Believe that any splinter is acceptable over non-sabbatarian church communities.<br /><br />6) Have come to accept and enjoy the pain and abuse because it makes one feel more spiritual and as if qualifying for a greater reward.<br /><br />7) Realize something is horribly wrong, but have been conditioned to mistrust anything and anyone outside of Armstrongite circles.<br /><br />8) Suffered major church induced depressive episode, and just barely dragging along the last few yards to the finish line.<br /><br />9) Truly like their splinter leader and find him to be spiritually edifying.<br /><br />10) Believe in the great commission and are somehow convinced that their splinter's invisible "work" is fulfilling that commission.<br /><br />These are all no-brainers from the outside looking in, but it's hard to imagine that the missionary zeal and confidence which was an integral part of church membership prior to 1975 could exist in the present. The crop of ministers currently "performing" don't seem to be creating any excitement anywhere at all, with the one possible exception of Jamaica.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75271260933391901222016-08-15T12:07:24.966-07:002016-08-15T12:07:24.966-07:00It is discouraging for me to see that there contin...It is discouraging for me to see that there continue to be so many who look to the pages of ancient mythical books to determine how to live their lives in this 21st century. Do we believe it is true because it is old, or are we simply unable to break old habits?<br /><br />Perhaps it is time for another quote from Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason". <br /><br />"The Bible-makers have undertaken to give us, in the first chapter of Genesis, an account of the creation; and in doing this, they have demonstrated nothing but their ignorance. They make there to have been three days and three nights, evenings and mornings, before there was a sun; when it is the presence or absence of the sun that is the cause of day and night, and what is called his rising and setting that of morning and evening."<br /><br />The ignorance, violence and depravity in the pages of this book is astounding, and yet we proclaim it to be the 'Word of God'. <br /><br />If we could actually commit the 'unpardonable sin', I think it may be willful ignorance.Gerald Bronkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351342089409543119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90975457806461958032016-08-15T09:26:22.516-07:002016-08-15T09:26:22.516-07:00I would concur, Anon 9:07.I would concur, Anon 9:07.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70090495802447204952016-08-15T09:10:40.026-07:002016-08-15T09:10:40.026-07:00RCM was an intellectual eunuch, castrated by HWA h...RCM was an intellectual eunuch, castrated by HWA himself. Could he could ever engage in an honest debate over a doctrinal issue? Or would he simply shut you down? Declare that you have a "bad attitude." Have any of you sat through "first year Bible" at AC? Ever heard someone ask an honest questions? Have you ever heard a minister demonstrate strength by saying, "I don't know"? or even demonstrating more strength by saying, "I was wrong in my understanding."? The churches of God face the same dilemma that the Roman Catholic Church faces. If the leadership claims infallibility on issues of faith and doctrine, if they admit error in one area, it opens the door to other issues. This, I think, is why the Pope can't allow priests to marry or for women to become priests. Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80410349727220121852016-08-15T09:07:00.537-07:002016-08-15T09:07:00.537-07:00The fact that no one has kicked Cruelpepper in the...The fact that no one has kicked Cruelpepper in the ass by now is proof there are no resl men in PCGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24330860125339064472016-08-15T07:55:57.980-07:002016-08-15T07:55:57.980-07:00So where does this put selling your daughter into ...So where does this put selling your daughter into slavery?<br /><br />Shouldn't the PCG support that so the Flurrys can get more money for Irish Dancing?<br /><br />There's quite a black market out there for this sort of thing and it's a win-win: You get money for your daughter, give it to the PCG cult leadership and save money you'd waste on bringing her up to be able to give the PCG even more money.<br /><br />Well, it's not easy to take this route: It takes a real man to stand up to the challenges and risk prison to follow the Old Testament Law!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70134132385387817242016-08-15T06:45:49.712-07:002016-08-15T06:45:49.712-07:00The irony is that the strong men are the everyday ...The irony is that the strong men are the everyday guys out there in the congregations. The weak-ass dudes strut around HQ in their Men's Wearhouse suits. It's always been that way, going back decades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62184399812699181822016-08-15T01:57:34.558-07:002016-08-15T01:57:34.558-07:00The church leaders constantly beat down and tear d...The church leaders constantly beat down and tear down the men in order to gain power and superiority over these men. They then complain that the menfolk are weak. How ridiculous is that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13101589499098112142016-08-15T01:46:33.443-07:002016-08-15T01:46:33.443-07:00The reason they must harp on this, and they do it ...The reason they must harp on this, and they do it in all of the ACOGs, is that they emasculate the men by forbidding them to even tactfully negotiate minor points with members of the ministry, their bosses, or anyone else who supposedly has authority. How can you break mens' spirits and cow them before the ministry, and then expect them to eat a few punches or face a firearm in defending a lady or a child? They really ought to examine the mixed message that they send to their men in the first place.<br /><br />I suppose that what they really want is for the men to be hypermacho about promoting and defending all of their ACOG's teachings. They want selective masculinity. Be forceful and macho as you defend ol' Cal.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77122024598069477082016-08-14T22:34:14.967-07:002016-08-14T22:34:14.967-07:00If my experience in the PCG is anything to go by I...If my experience in the PCG is anything to go by I wouldn't worry too much about what Joel Hillker says or writes, as less and less people even in the PCG really listen to or read much of anything that is being produced.<br /><br />The fact is PCG's editorial department and student body are constantly producing material like this prescriptive little article. In all probability apart from that same student body and hard core suck-ups in the field, Joel's piece will for the most part go unread by the average non-HQ PCG member.<br /><br />Joel Hilliker constantly churns out this manliness-related drivel, I suspect deep down he knows that he has lived a sheltered and privileged existence for most of his adult life. Writing this article probably helped ease the burden of guilt.<br /><br />It's kind of a bizarre situation in the PCG when privileged college boys like Joel Hilliker, Ryan Malone and Stephen Flurry who have zero credibility speak or write. It's like deep down we all know they are not respected, and yet we members together with these men continue playing the game of smiling and pretending to listen as they smile and pretend they can teach.<br /><br />There is a growing sense of disillusionment within the PCG as more and more members finally cotton on to the fact that the college and by extension PCG HQ with its member-funded lifestyle, buildings, music and dancing have become the work. Growing numbers in PCG are finally beginning to see through messages like this.<br /><br />Although many in PCG still physically attend you have to wonder in terms of morale and general level of interest how many members have already mentally left......Joel's article won’t be helping in the process.<br /><br />Again as stated earlier, not too many out in the field will even bother to read this article, and even fewer out in the world will even know it exists, just like the PCG itself……Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26344937970199114312016-08-14T21:50:11.364-07:002016-08-14T21:50:11.364-07:00There sure a lot of men's men there, but not a...There sure a lot of men's men there, but not a lot of masculine men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50152865286260029402016-08-14T21:17:14.291-07:002016-08-14T21:17:14.291-07:00
Some of those horny old hags in the PCG are quite...<br />Some of those horny old hags in the PCG are quite capable of taking care of themselves and getting what they want with their lying mouths. The single PCG guys need protection from them.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36014821971472792922016-08-14T21:09:25.852-07:002016-08-14T21:09:25.852-07:00
The PCG “men” certainly should stand up and prote...<br />The PCG “men” certainly should stand up and protect their grandmothers, mothers, wives, daughters, and granddaughters and refuse to cut off all contact with them just because That False Prophet tells them to.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com