tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post7517178360576314073..comments2024-03-28T05:59:44.118-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Foundational Fallacies of CreationismNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32942623962037107742019-08-15T01:55:27.399-07:002019-08-15T01:55:27.399-07:00Warning - not a booklet or pamphlet!! - Here's...Warning - not a booklet or pamphlet!! - Here's some challenging, science-based reading/viewing material for you to reflect on:-./<br />"Evolution's Achilles Heels"./<br />"Signature in the Cell"/<br />"The Greatest Hoax on Earth"./<br /> "The New Creationism"./ - hundreds more meatier scientific books if you're really interested Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509085595972781815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5247909311372068772016-10-19T04:54:12.640-07:002016-10-19T04:54:12.640-07:00Retired prof, very good questions. On a few occasi...Retired prof, very good questions. On a few occasions, God has shown disapproval of a thought or decision, by having some one else next to me being asked for directions. I haven't experienced this that many times. When no one is present, God communicates by putting a thought into a peoples mind (it's not just me) that has a unique emotional feel. Sometimes its both, a thought with the unique feel, plus someone asking for the time or directions. A week back, I was exercising in the local park at night, when a four wheel drive illegally drove onto the grass, stopped next to me and asked if I had seen a certain young person on a bike. This affirmed the thought I was having at the timer, and one of the rare occasions when it wasn't the time or directions being asked for. So you see, God can communicate to a person late at night, in the middle of a park. Frankly, I was surprised. Constant feedback? In to days world, every belief is eventually challenged. This blog is good example of this. The purpose of the affirmations is to give muscle to my beliefs. Something like Christ seeing the dove and hearing the voice telling Him that He was the son of God before Satan hit Him with the incessant 'if you are the son of God' line. It's affirmation rather than feedback. It's mostly affirming what I have read in books, so you can say that it's God blessing my effort. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54590158647321857912016-10-19T00:36:23.371-07:002016-10-19T00:36:23.371-07:00Anon 10:30 AM; Well that was vary funny, and we al...Anon 10:30 AM; Well that was vary funny, and we all had a jolly good laugh.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367980210657153883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50709437398190158172016-10-18T19:07:17.596-07:002016-10-18T19:07:17.596-07:00"Aron Ra promotes a silly fairy tale which ha...<a href="https://youtu.be/1M07Ike_rWY?t=1518" rel="nofollow">"Aron Ra promotes a silly fairy tale which has no scientific facts to back it up. He tends to use insults to those who believe in a Creator."</a><br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63546571044487637602016-10-18T14:46:13.997-07:002016-10-18T14:46:13.997-07:00Oct. 18 at 12:19, tell us what signal you get when...Oct. 18 at 12:19, tell us what signal you get when the thought that enters your mind is in error. You must receive those too. After all, it is much more important to be warned away from a bad idea than to have a good one affirmed. And what about those times when no one "asks for directions, the time, or similar"? How can you carry on your affairs without constant reliable feedback?Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7688666966083377482016-10-18T12:19:40.746-07:002016-10-18T12:19:40.746-07:00John Jacobs, a thought enters my mind. With in a f...John Jacobs, a thought enters my mind. With in a few seconds someone asks for directions, the time, or similar. This is God affirming the truthfulness of my thought. I have experienced this thousands of times over the decades. It's the God raising up people thingy. So you see, the 'magic man in the sky' is so very real. And he is no respecter of persons, so live by the 10 commandments, and the magic man in the sky will intervene in your life as well. <br />Reality testing is part of chemistry, biology, physics, no??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24975397551843336152016-10-18T10:30:40.966-07:002016-10-18T10:30:40.966-07:00Retired Prof,
Hope you had a good hunting trip.
...Retired Prof,<br />Hope you had a good hunting trip. <br /><br />Here on Banned, it's been like, <br /><br />Bugs Bunny: It's Duck season!<br />Daffy Duck: It's Wabbit season!<br />Anonymous at 7:14: I hate wascawwy weaviwuionists! They'we sewf whighteous!<br />Ashley froud: I don't bewieve you Dennis becawse you'we a "wout"!<br />Dennis: Do you just make this stuff up, ashwey?<br />Ashley froud: No, I just keep making weasons up, to not give a stwaight wesponse!<br />Elmer Fudd: Ashwey wooses! It's Hewbie season! Shhhhhh! We're hunting Herbies!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29796568812108169652016-10-18T10:26:48.811-07:002016-10-18T10:26:48.811-07:00So your response is (since you have no concept of ...So your response is (since you have no concept of biology, chemistry, evolution or physics) is a snap of the fingers by a magic man in the sky?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17868410933142516103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78131853311946565622016-10-17T14:24:42.374-07:002016-10-17T14:24:42.374-07:00Byker Bob said:"As an example, what if acts o...Byker Bob said:"As an example, what if acts of new creation were quietly, and in very limited fashion still be taking place today? Wouldn't they also be swallowed up and concealed by the totality of the whole?"<br /><br />BB, are you suggesting a scenario like figure 27.9 on page 735 of <a href="http://chaosbook.org/library/Penr04.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Road to Reality</a>? <br /><br />I apologize for not posting the page number 713, about entropy for that book.<br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53029905789155139712016-10-17T12:22:48.342-07:002016-10-17T12:22:48.342-07:00Ha! Maybe I should go on weekend hunting trips mor...Ha! Maybe I should go on weekend hunting trips more often. I come home from stumbling through the northern Wisconsin brush, cussing a dog, and firing off a gun from time. Then after a good night's sleep I open up "Banned" and find a splendid thread you all developed in my absence. <br /><br />Good work, everybody!<br /><br />Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34910483603596189412016-10-17T08:02:18.731-07:002016-10-17T08:02:18.731-07:00Very interesting replies and back-and-forths on th...Very interesting replies and back-and-forths on this thread!<br /><br />Here's what will probably be my only reply:<br />Ashley wrote, <i>"This dose[sic] not help anyone who is dealing with bad splinter groups... Dennis seems like a lout to me, so I oppose him on this." </i> <br /><br />I looked up the word "lout" as it is used in modern times, and found the synonyms: <i>ruffian, hooligan, thug, boor, barbarian, oaf, hoodlum, rowdy, lubber; tough, roughneck, bruiser, yahoo, lug, knuckle-dragger</i>.<br /><br />I fail to see how Dennis qualifies as meeting these characterizations.<br /><br />Ashley was asked first for a list of 'non-WCG' theological books she's read, and then was asked for even two 'non-WCG' theological books she's read, etc.<br /><br />In this thread, she keeps changing her reasons for declining such requests.<br /><br />I will make another request of ashley froud:<br /><br />Ashley, since you've used the term, "bad splinter groups", do you consider some splinter groups to be good?- And if so, which ones?<br /><br />(Extra credit questions for ashley:<br />a) Are we in the "end times"?<br />b) Was HWA a false prophet?<br />c) You ask, "Where have all the cowboys gone? You gutless wonders! ...WTF ! ! !"<br /> <br />Ashley, are you in the market for a "creationist COG cowboy"?<br />If so, I know of one. But if you want to meet him be careful and make an appointment and identify yourself first, though. He's hoarding food and has lots of ammo and guns to shoot people who he thinks will be coming for his food.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75364416752771040392016-10-16T18:31:38.995-07:002016-10-16T18:31:38.995-07:00It would have been better to let my first post thr...It would have been better to let my first post through, Dennis!<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/R6NNIGI6lww?t=84" rel="nofollow">Early vids of AronRa honing his craft?!</a><br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70251026816383575412016-10-16T18:29:17.491-07:002016-10-16T18:29:17.491-07:00Maybe Anon 3:57 has a point. You wanna hide someth...Maybe Anon 3:57 has a point. You wanna hide something from a COG adherent, hide it in a book. :)RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90447545409143901012016-10-16T16:57:52.550-07:002016-10-16T16:57:52.550-07:00The problem, RSK, is that we were all once in a cu...The problem, RSK, is that we were all once in a cult in which the preditor who started it had anthropomorphically perverted God. That causes a lot of rancor and confusion once people wake up. <br /><br />This should have been an awesome experience for Dennis and his party, and now it has become bittersweet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70801099642622224012016-10-16T13:50:42.140-07:002016-10-16T13:50:42.140-07:00I never stop being amazed at how a simple post lik...I never stop being amazed at how a simple post like this, which is only going to be of interest to some parties, can generate so much useless rancor. I mean, really? Do you people just get worked up over everything?RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29969335861797516922016-10-16T08:36:37.548-07:002016-10-16T08:36:37.548-07:00Some promote Cretinism over Evilution out of elege...Some promote Cretinism over Evilution out of elegence and litigous defusionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55781462644007756702016-10-16T01:40:57.128-07:002016-10-16T01:40:57.128-07:00I wrote:
"I wouldn't say abiogenesis isn&...I wrote:<br />"I wouldn't say abiogenesis isn't "inconsistent" with the laws of nature, that is the point."<br /><br />I meant "I wouldn't say abiogenesis *is* "inconsistent" with the laws of nature"Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70639544936919595132016-10-16T01:16:33.115-07:002016-10-16T01:16:33.115-07:00we are born knowing ABSOLUTELY nothing; we dont ha...we are born knowing ABSOLUTELY nothing; we dont have the knowledge or intelligence to create the most rudimentary of cellular life, yet we dercree there there is no creator of such life forms as if we have some natural insight...<br /><br />one thing is clear: we are naturally arrogant and presumptuous...we dont even know all the species of animals in the sea, nor do we know what all flora or fauna exists on land; we cannot cure cancer nor aids...<br /><br />yet something makes we, who are little more than animals, think so highly of ourselves that we think we are the ultimate in intelligence and that if we cannot do it, none has done it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70934347552376869052016-10-15T22:42:33.408-07:002016-10-15T22:42:33.408-07:00Michael wrote:
"If all the evolutionary princ...Michael wrote:<br />"If all the evolutionary principles apply, I think it's completely reasonable to call it all evolution, no need for a separate term like "theory of life".<br /><br />Let me modify what I just wrote. It's not the terms I'm arguing for, and referring to "abiogenesis + subsequent evolution" all as "evolution" would be confusing.<br />It's not the terms. Theory of life would work just as well.<br /><br />It's that in arguing for evolution, and a creationist brings up the fact that you have no evidence for abiogenesis, often the evolutionist (having no evidence for abio, of course, that's just the nature of the beast) will say something like "that's different, we're arguing evolution here, not abio which is completely unrelated". But they aren't, abio wouldn't have worked without "descent with modification". If evolution was a no-go, then abio wouldn't have worked either.<br />Abiog. was just mutation + natural selection on a smaller scale.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34689019965639637122016-10-15T22:25:16.107-07:002016-10-15T22:25:16.107-07:00Byker Bob wrote:
"Both creation and evolution...Byker Bob wrote:<br />"Both creation and evolution at some point in time and discussion require a violation of or inconsistency with the laws of nature or the universe as we currently know and understand them today."<br /><br />I wouldn't say abiogenesis isn't "inconsistent" with the laws of nature, that is the point.<br />We observe that life doesn't arise spontaneously *now*, but understanding the nature of the environment explains why we don't. It's not that it physically or logically can't happen at all, but merely that the existing conditions don't allow it to happen now.<br />Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78464795438086846242016-10-15T22:17:26.443-07:002016-10-15T22:17:26.443-07:00Anon 9:37 wrote:
"However, there is a good re...Anon 9:37 wrote:<br />"However, there is a good reason why scientists do not lump these together: the driver of evolution is natural selection, while abiogenesis requires a different driving principle. So a theory of abiogenesis must necessarily be a completely different theory, depending on completely different principles. That's why I maintain that natural selection has nothing to do with abiogenesis."<br /><br />Well, that's exactly where I disagree. Once you have a replicator able to make modified copies of itself, all of the principles of evolution - mutation, natural selection, neutral theory, etc. - all of them clearly apply.<br /><br />Granted, there is the fine point of what exactly do you define as abiogenesis, which is extremely slippery in the first place (because even science doesn't have a distinct iron-clad definition for what constitutes "life" beginning. It's like, in the electromag. spectrum, where does yellow end and green begin? Is a virus alive yet?)<br /><br />If you are defining "abiogenesis" as the "appearance" of the first replicator just able to replicate itself (say, a three- or four-membered polymer), that just occurred randomly, there is no natural selection in that, but that would have been a very small part of the story, and not yet life at all.<br />So there would be long and hazy road from that to what most scientists would concur as being "life", and all of that would necessarily depend on mutation + natural selection amongst the new budding replicators, to determine who are the winners (survivors).<br /><br />What I'm saying is that abiogenesis (leading up to... "life") is an evolutionary process as well, just evolution in embryonic form, and you can't divvy up the two. If all the evolutionary principles apply, I think it's completely reasonable to call it all evolution, no need for a separate term like "theory of life".Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48577621140654905632016-10-15T20:29:23.885-07:002016-10-15T20:29:23.885-07:00Anonymous on October 15, 2016 at 7:38 PM said...&q...<br /><i>Anonymous on October 15, 2016 at 7:38 PM said..."'evilution' Seriously? Are you in junior high or what? Undereducated individuals usually mock those who know more than they do.”</i><br /><br /><br />Yes, <i>seriously</i>.<br /><br />Look how those under-educated evilutionists try to mock God, who knows so much more than they do. God created everything. Evilutionists are just bulldunging you when they pretend to know more about biology than God does. Not knowing what tonsils are for is a relatively minor screw-up for evilutionists. Evilutionists do not even know what buttholes are for. Evilutionists have their heads stuck so far up their butts that they get their followers <i>literally</i> all buggered up too. They try to promote such behavior as something to be proud of. They will do <i>anything</i> to oppose God's plan to have people reproduce and multiply and fill the earth.<br /><br />Evil? Uh-huh.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84856559558561207062016-10-15T19:38:04.073-07:002016-10-15T19:38:04.073-07:00"evilution" Seriously? Are you in jun..."evilution" Seriously? Are you in junior high or what? Undereducated individuals usually mock those who know more than they do. Look at how Herbert and Meredith did/do that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80478931348703194502016-10-15T19:14:10.241-07:002016-10-15T19:14:10.241-07:00
Evilutionists like to claim that there are leftov...<br />Evilutionists like to claim that there are leftover body parts from evilution that currently serve no useful purpose. In the past, some ignorant evilutionists thought that tonsils were leftover from evilution and were unnecessary, and that all children should have their tonsils removed. Never let any ignorant evilutionists talk you into unnecessarily parting with any of your body parts just because they do not yet know what the parts are for.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20548073345274914682016-10-15T14:42:17.222-07:002016-10-15T14:42:17.222-07:0011:55, it is not incumbent upon me to define &quo...11:55, it is not incumbent upon me to define "creation". The discussion was spawned by Aron Ra's book: Foundational Fallacies of Creationism. So, it is how Mr. Ra defines it that would seem to be the key here. The second responder, at 10:21, introduced the topic of the origins of life, an aspect that generally enters into the creation vs evolution debate. Michael and myself were specifically discussing that aspect.<br /><br />Biblical creation of life is based on the macro. Plants, animals, humans. Spontaneous generation of life is based on the micro, generally postulated as starting with the single cell. In my case, I don't happen to believe in a literal "poof and fantasma" creation process. I believe God used the natural, observable, process of evolution, functioning in accordance with the natural laws which scientists have identified, along with his guidance, to bring about all that we see today. So, if creation of life were happening today, say on a bacterial level deep in the jungles, or in the depths of the sea, it would not necessarily be detected by scientists for years or decades. And, it would certainly not be on the level of a massive energy infusion, perceivable as a violation of 2LTD. In fact, I'm not even convinced that you have a full comprehension of that law, a basic understanding of Einstein's Theory, or the law conservation of energy, or the law conservation of matter.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com