tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post7528009499412095715..comments2024-03-29T05:22:27.348-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Perspectives-It Depends on How You Look At ItNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63658438280269773272017-02-01T05:32:06.614-08:002017-02-01T05:32:06.614-08:00Anon said:"I realize most in this forum don&#...Anon said:"I realize most in this forum don't like to hear it, and this is just me speaking, but the same really is true for the Bible too. If you remove the veil of reverence from your eyes when you read the Bible, propose just for a second that - "ok, *what if* this was not god-breathed but just written by men in the context of their own times?", without that feeling of reverence attached to everything you read in it, very soon the image of it being a very human book will being to automatically pop out on its own,..."<br /><br />That was the greatest catalyst for me, for losing my religion. I have realized, even knowing that some will say that I have been deceived, that the bible is nothing more than the journal notes of men who have come before us who were also in a sense doing their best to figure it all out. There is good and bad in the bible, simply because it was written by men. Jesus Christ didn't write it, nor did he even appear to care to do so. All of the denominations have got it so wrong when they choose to fight over what it really means. Just live it the way JC did and the actions will speak for themselves. <br /><br />The bible has been translated and mis-translated so many times, that it appears that there is no consequence for not dotting every i and crossing every t. Maybe someone was referring to the "Laws of Nature", when they were warned about getting whatever is in that Book, wrong. None of us can break the law of gravity. "BUT we put men on the moon, including bringing them back to earth!" Yes, but that great achievement was done through greater precision of obedience towards the law of gravity, which is also contained in that Book. <br /><br />“natura enim non nisi parendo vincitur”<br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30554713960457179892017-01-30T20:47:17.027-08:002017-01-30T20:47:17.027-08:00The zombies are always going to see the end times...The zombies are always going to see the end times in everything around them, and they're always going to filter everything through the teachings of HWA. They're going to base their purpose in life on Armstrongism. That's their perspective, and it's mighty surreal.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80186283590758368852017-01-30T17:30:39.576-08:002017-01-30T17:30:39.576-08:00i am not, but you are indeed a scoffer...i am not, but you are indeed a scoffer...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11793266294306248852017-01-30T17:28:55.414-08:002017-01-30T17:28:55.414-08:001) why do you say its not? 2) just as sure as you ...1) why do you say its not? 2) just as sure as you need air to breathe, food to eat, shelter, safety from thugs, and interaction with like minded people you will care...<br /><br />but as long as you retain those things you will take such a stance...<br /><br />fact is donald drumpf, and that german name is his actual family name, will lead this nation into chaos, and subsequently the world: you will be caring soon enough...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73464932887141655362017-01-30T12:26:30.951-08:002017-01-30T12:26:30.951-08:00All proving once again that if you keep your mind ...All proving once again that if you keep your mind sufficiently open, people will dump trash in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29287873224394551992017-01-30T11:04:42.688-08:002017-01-30T11:04:42.688-08:00Anon 2:19 that's called Paschal's WagerAnon 2:19 that's called Paschal's WagerDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17266112796114131485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84574983772036260892017-01-30T11:01:40.456-08:002017-01-30T11:01:40.456-08:00You're right. I was not seeing correctly. I re...You're right. I was not seeing correctly. I repentsDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17266112796114131485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34182869849857923802017-01-30T10:59:30.449-08:002017-01-30T10:59:30.449-08:00Dennis
The fairy tales aren't really fairy tal...Dennis<br />The fairy tales aren't really fairy tales.<br />Since I won't be there when they are about to throw you into the lake of fire, I'II say it now. I told you so. I repeat, I told you so.<br />Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7919259882927246912017-01-30T10:38:57.763-08:002017-01-30T10:38:57.763-08:00It's interesting how some (or many- or most) p...It's interesting how some (or many- or most) people don't want to see what's in front of them- or if they do, they just don't care.<br /><br />They'd rather "see" bullshit that's proffered by their favorite preachers, like those crazy 'truths' of megagachurch preachers- or even when when Marie Osmond(a brood mare for the Mormon Church) says, "I'm Marie, and I lost 50 pounds on Nutrisystem!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76499099881005760152017-01-30T10:09:51.105-08:002017-01-30T10:09:51.105-08:00Anon wrote:
"Denying the validity or casting ...Anon wrote:<br />"Denying the validity or casting doubt on the validity of the five senses is murder. "<br /><br />Well at least 3 of my senses tell me I'm sitting on a non-moving foundation.<br />It took us a long long time to figure out that's not the case, despite what our senses tell us.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27463804224280010712017-01-30T07:35:34.653-08:002017-01-30T07:35:34.653-08:00It's ants, not spiders, and this statement is ...It's ants, not spiders, and this statement is inconsequential.Speech Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16447699752922037220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31281449807001263412017-01-30T06:42:38.661-08:002017-01-30T06:42:38.661-08:00Connie Schmidt said...
A quote from "Sergeant...Connie Schmidt said...<br />A quote from "Sergeant Schultz" (the late John Banner) from the old "HOGANS HEROES" television show is appropriate here... <br /><br />"I SEE NOTHING!"<br /><br />Those still in a splinter Church will naturally see nothing, so that's fine. I understand! <br /><br />:) :) :) :) :) :) :)<br /> Seven Smiles to ya!<br /><br /><br />DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47361741478809350012017-01-30T02:19:20.230-08:002017-01-30T02:19:20.230-08:00Dennis Diehl; Well one thing for sure Dennis, you...Dennis Diehl; Well one thing for sure Dennis, you know what wasting time on a fairytale is all about, and listening to others like Aron Ra who believes in the same fairytale, and you talk talk about others wasting their life, either way Dennis, we will all find out who wasted what in the long run. If there is no God or if the bible isn't true then it really doesn't matter if I wasted my time believing it, on the other hand, what if God and Jesus and the bible turns out to actually be real, that means I didn't waste my time at all, now where that leaves you, I don't know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32716334529714492462017-01-29T21:53:04.187-08:002017-01-29T21:53:04.187-08:00Stephen Hawking needs to look at this. Stephen Hawking needs to look at this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23150120523083004012017-01-29T21:25:35.854-08:002017-01-29T21:25:35.854-08:00Apt metaphor. Selecting a different way of viewin...Apt metaphor. Selecting a different way of viewing opens the mind to new vistas..<br /><br />With COGs (or the Bible if you so choose) this can mean simply removing what you might call a "veil of reverence" from your eyes.<br />When an adherent to HWAism reads articles, booklets etc. and listens to sermons there is a kind of veil over the eyes through which it all passes, that imparts a sort of feeling of reverence to it, so that even nonsensical material takes on an aura of truth somehow.<br /><br />Remove the "veil" (i.e. acknowledge that these are just men with their own ideas trying to interpret ancient words as they would like them to be interpreted), and suddenly your mind begins processing BS as, well, BS.<br /><br />I realize most in this forum don't like to hear it, and this is just me speaking, but the same really is true for the Bible too.<br />If you remove the veil of reverence from your eyes when you read the Bible, propose just for a second that - "ok, *what if* this was not god-breathed but just written by men in the context of their own times?", without that feeling of reverence attached to everything you read in it, very soon the image of it being a very human book will being to automatically pop out on its own, just like in these 3D images. Before you know it, there the image is, and you kick yourself wondering how in the world you ever missed it from the start...<br />Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10974521375258259292017-01-29T19:40:48.527-08:002017-01-29T19:40:48.527-08:001) It's not, and 2) even if it were, who care...1) It's not, and 2) even if it were, who cares? We got to live some pretty darned nice lives instead of having it all come tumbling down in 1975. <br /><br />Cue Bob Dylan's "Desolation Row".<br /><br />BB<br /><br />Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74745863913098590722017-01-29T19:38:14.314-08:002017-01-29T19:38:14.314-08:00Anonymous said...
i guess from some folks perspect...Anonymous said...<br />i guess from some folks perspective its hard to see how the world is steady marching towards armageddon given the petty topics of discussion on this site..."<br /><br />What you might mean is:<br /><br />"I can't see it. I don't have to see it, I don't wanna see it and even if I did see it, I would tell you! When we gonna get back to the real stuff like the end times, soon, any day now, in my lifetime...and WE shall be changed!"<br /><br />That's a good one too. You have to be a church member from a splinter or you'd not even be here , which of course, you don't have to be if it's too shallow for you.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37944766793195492162017-01-29T19:20:46.650-08:002017-01-29T19:20:46.650-08:00This post is a old ploy used many times by collect...This post is a old ploy used many times by collectivists. I heard two speeches in spokesmans club on this very point. All that Dennis's article confirms is that sometimes patterns are ambiguous, nothing more. His 'new and different eyes' is nonsense. This ambiguity point is used to discredit the five senses and have people blindly believe some demagogue instead. The God created five senses are basically infallible. This is the foundation of human knowledge. To reject this makes one is a slave to other people, in this case a intellectual puppet of Dennis Diehl, and every other predator. <br />Denying the validity or casting doubt on the validity of the five senses is murder. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72366229027440816872017-01-29T18:30:15.434-08:002017-01-29T18:30:15.434-08:00My wish is for COG types to consider seeing their ...My wish is for COG types to consider seeing their world through new and different eyes so that they might not waste their lives on fairytales and the magicians who tell themDennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84500234658186380462017-01-29T18:23:40.871-08:002017-01-29T18:23:40.871-08:00i guess from some folks perspective its hard to se...i guess from some folks perspective its hard to see how the world is steady marching towards armageddon given the petty topics of discussion on this site...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57681654737045653122017-01-29T17:35:37.698-08:002017-01-29T17:35:37.698-08:00And to quote Obi Wan, Many of the truths we cling ...And to quote Obi Wan, <i>Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view</i><br /><br />Things look different through BI + Church Eras + Place of Safety filters.<br />Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4710900992766630982017-01-29T15:33:34.829-08:002017-01-29T15:33:34.829-08:00The Universe doesn't care what you think you s...The Universe doesn't care what you think you see, it just doesn't.<br /><br />If you see British Israelism as true, then you are wrong. The fact is that British Israelism is a delusion of the class of science fiction dedicated to alternative world history. British Israelism is the worst science fiction ever.<br /><br />Just because you saw a cloud and you believe it is the Star Trek Enterprise going into warp, it isn't true.<br /><br />And this is where we have the discussion about distorted perceptions being the root of mental disorders. Except we won't.<br /><br />That's the beauty of this stupidity: Just because there are some graphics that can be see different ways, does not mean that you can do the same thing with reality and science. To do so allows kooks to achieve social legitimacy when there is none.<br /><br />Just because Doug Winnail perceives British Israelism to be true and is slated to teach a class in it at Living University does not make him less full of crap because, frankly, he's wrong, all of Armstrongism is wrong and they have to come to grips with it. But they won't. They won't because the fate of ministers and Armstrongist leaders hang in the balance.<br /><br />So the CoHAM has made a choice: Teach and believe in really stupid lies because if you don't their lives will change for the worse economically. Heavens, some of them might starve or have to do real work.<br /><br />But on the other hand, it could work out if they can be in a Mental Health facility being fed, clothed and housed because outside they are a danger to themselves and / or others.<br /><br />Believing you can fly on the wings of an angel to the place of safety when bad times come will leave you standing exactly where you are (or maybe you'll be able to see pigs fly).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66348691576729127202017-01-29T10:32:11.119-08:002017-01-29T10:32:11.119-08:00I was just looking at a bunch of photos on the web...I was just looking at a bunch of photos on the web that were smuggled out of North Korea. The prisoners/citizens need permission from the government to even use public transport, and are constantly watch by others, especially soldiers. This is just like government in the slivers<br /><br />Now the perspective is that this is tyranny from the mafia ministers which the bible condemns, or it is legitimate church government with the ministers 'administering gods government.'<br />Which perspective is the right one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28938931820078878092017-01-29T10:24:35.129-08:002017-01-29T10:24:35.129-08:00Oops, I meant the second from the last. I did see ...Oops, I meant the second from the last. I did see the old and young in the last example. Homernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49092592745798225122017-01-29T10:21:58.134-08:002017-01-29T10:21:58.134-08:00I remember these well and found them fascinating. ...I remember these well and found them fascinating. Your analogy to being open minded in order to "see" another opinion is also fascinating. It was easy to visualize your examples, except for the last two of course.Homernoreply@blogger.com