tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post8428664937111214424..comments2024-03-28T01:47:50.775-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: A Reminder to Those Caught Up in Their One Man ShowNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-283370474748050272016-12-11T23:25:57.905-08:002016-12-11T23:25:57.905-08:00Connie Schmidt said:"You have the right to re...Connie Schmidt said:"You have the right to read and to post on BANNED without fear of consequence."<br /><br />anon said:"Ashley, you right. People have a right (and a responsibility) to fear evil people. So they post anonymously. Connies post shows a lack of understanding of rights."<br /><br />anon, you are the one who is confused. Connie's statement "You have the right to read and to post on BANNED without fear of consequence", applys to ALL who post. On several occasions I have witnessed gaslighting by those who don't post anonymously. That's why I choose to not read anything extra into someone's motivation to post anonymously or with a more formal google, disqus, etc. account. <br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70859161115264393112016-12-10T23:41:10.912-08:002016-12-10T23:41:10.912-08:0011:36
I was there for 22 years.
You put it eloqu...11:36<br /><br />I was there for 22 years.<br /><br />You put it eloquently, certainly for a certain constituency.<br /><br />My point is that the "administration" of it all developed over time with growth and other developments. In the early thirties it the evangelical society of the day. Only in the fifties and sixties inexperienced and very young administrators developed their own style to the detriment of many. <br /><br />I admitted before that it made a huge difference what administrator would have been assigned to your area. The inexperienced youngster only having experienced absolute power or the former doctor or military officer turned pastor with a lot of experience in the real world.<br /><br />I guess most areas were under the nazis most here experienced and some were extremely liberal toward personal choice on taking polio shots or not going to ac and pursue a technical management career.<br /><br />With the current popularity of the Catholic Church amongst the masses I am not whitewashing the crusades I am saying they seemed to have found a way and tone that fits todays society. Armstrongism is incapable of that since they are "conservative" in nature especially pertaining to 1900's science that is engraved in their minds. It is a carcass dying off because of their geriatric leadership. But I am a 100 percent sure that dynamic figures in the 2200's will invent a new road to "utopian society" with the bible in hand as has occurred many times since the first edition of said book.<br /><br />nck<br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8704714686040159502016-12-10T13:32:05.074-08:002016-12-10T13:32:05.074-08:00Most ministurds I knew in WCG were generally loudm...Most ministurds I knew in WCG were generally loudmouths who actually possessed little in the way of testicles - receiving a single smack would probably have sent them off to cry in the corner. Yet, like any bully who is in fact an overcompensating weakling, they would push until you drew a clear line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91944259362824694892016-12-10T11:36:29.341-08:002016-12-10T11:36:29.341-08:00Nck,
Did you ever attend church? The ministry of ...Nck, <br />Did you ever attend church? The ministry of WCG did not allow any space. Non. The members that were content with WCG under Herbie were the ministers, their boot lickers, and the church crazies and loonies which the ministers protected. The church was a paradise for psychos or near psychos, which is why Herbie is still revered by many.<br /><br />What's this nonsense of members "not claiming their God given liberties." Members were robbed of these liberties. They did not request that ministers exercise these liberties for them. Ministers used violence, deception, mind twisting (abusive mind control techniques) to rob blind church members of their God given rights. <br />That you are whitewashing Herbie is disgusting. His 'people don't get it,' was a common left wing expression in the 1940s, for those who disagreed with them. There is no profound understanding behind this expression, which you and his worshippers claim. <br /><br />The Catholic church is the way it is today because it was stripped of its historic power. It didn't 'sort out its system.'<br />It does not take 40 years for ministers to repent and start to respect members rights. Members who genuinely repent, start to do so immediately.<br /><br />I am disappointed to see that you are a apologist/whitewasher of a evil church culture. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68235151927145073892016-12-10T09:35:12.052-08:002016-12-10T09:35:12.052-08:0012:56
I believe many and perhaps the majority of ...12:56<br /><br />I believe many and perhaps the majority of the membership was not strong enough to claim the space that the bible and also the ministry of wcg allowed.<br /><br />That's why you have 5% or perhaps 30% percent of former members who are quite content with their association with wcg under hwa. And of course a majority of disgruntled ones.<br /><br />But wcg was quite good for those who were strong enough to claim their liberty under God.<br />And I don't mean licentiousness at all. And I have seen many cases of mercy in that regard also. (like acceptance of girls with child to sep camps).<br /><br />But I am with you. Like HWA said. The majority of you are not getting it!!! And he was so right. And he was not mocking. He was just observing that the majority of the church was not able to claim their god given liberties under the administration of god. And of course that was largely due to the faulty system that was set up by illiterate administrators as the administration of God. The Catholic church had 2000 years to sort out a system of governance that satisfies billions of people. Wcg had only 40 years.<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57751962755228379532016-12-10T09:17:43.114-08:002016-12-10T09:17:43.114-08:00assuming assumptions are still assumptions, it see...assuming assumptions are still assumptions, it seems we are all left to figure it out for ourselves.....whatever that isAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23676079013355078022016-12-10T00:56:50.581-08:002016-12-10T00:56:50.581-08:00Hoss, quoting Jefferson or Franklin is argument fr...Hoss, quoting Jefferson or Franklin is argument from authority. Many church members believe that the 'authority' of their minister superior to Franklin or Jefferson. These same ministers teach that rights are bull.<br />Christ quoted from the bible when tested by Satan. Hence a example of using the bible, is that members have a right to choose their own beliefs since the bible says 'prove all things,' and 'don't lord it over Christians faith.'<br />For Christians, 'cause God says so' is the strongest mental defence against assaults against their rights. Quoting Jefferson etc is weak mental armour by comparison.<br />You didn't give a secular argument as to what are rights, and why rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20862970790790126422016-12-09T16:16:14.654-08:002016-12-09T16:16:14.654-08:00GTA always used to say that authority only exists ...GTA always used to say that authority only exists where you choose to accept it. The problem was that choosing not to accept it in the old WCG meant that you were choosing to leave. Fortunately, Jesus made that an easy choice. He didn't return when they said He would in 1975! If your church makes one strike on something that big, they should be out! It means they did not have the witness of God behind them.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47458710941348257112016-12-09T16:06:34.743-08:002016-12-09T16:06:34.743-08:00"What scriptures could they quote to justify ...<i>"What scriptures could they quote to justify these rights?"</i><br /><br />Some of these rights Jefferson declared as "sacrosanct". Franklin suggested he should change that to "self-evident".Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91190048637359714602016-12-09T15:34:08.962-08:002016-12-09T15:34:08.962-08:00Anonymous said...
I've been in LCG for 15 year...Anonymous said...<br />I've been in LCG for 15 years and I most definitely DO NOT have a right to 99% of the things mentioned in this post..."<br /><br />Of course you do. But obviously as a true believer have given them up<br /><br />Anon asks: "What scriptures could they quote to justify these rights? "<br /><br />These aren't Bible rights that one needs to go find scriptures for to justify. These are the kinds of rights every human being has that the Bible and ministries tend to take away for the sake of uniformity and control and of which we need to be reminded of from time to time. The Bible is very plain about obeying both ministry and government as those who watch out for your souls and only punish the evildoer. This, of course, is idealistic rubbish and sometimes we have to call it what it is with rights of thinking, observation and speaking up that the church does not wish one to practice. <br /><br /><br /><br />DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61559451320222107002016-12-09T14:53:04.441-08:002016-12-09T14:53:04.441-08:00Oh of course, we have some COGlodytes who think yo...Oh of course, we have some COGlodytes who think you do not have the right to restrict COG ministers/elders/deacons from your home, thinking, finances or genitals, apparently. I'm guessing that those are the ones getting defensive on this thread.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10039657446724489982016-12-09T13:16:38.878-08:002016-12-09T13:16:38.878-08:007:29
Wow! What a cosmic coincidence.
I see it wa...7:29<br /><br />Wow! What a cosmic coincidence.<br /><br />I see it was a "human potential" training where people were constantly asked if they "had gotten it."<br /><br />Ah, those funny southern californian christianized jews accused of being car salesman while exercising human potential courses as a financial scam. <br /><br />Today the universe was kind to me.<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37502556110894294082016-12-09T12:28:57.131-08:002016-12-09T12:28:57.131-08:00I've been in LCG for 15 years and I most defin...I've been in LCG for 15 years and I most definitely DO NOT have a right to 99% of the things mentioned in this post...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43430295435576231332016-12-09T08:50:20.243-08:002016-12-09T08:50:20.243-08:00Ashley, you right. People have a right (and a resp...Ashley, you right. People have a right (and a responsibility) to fear evil people. So they post anonymously. Connies post shows a lack of understanding of rights. Not surprising since it's always been a taboo topic in church. I noticed that the rights in the article were all jumbled. Why are these claims rights, for instance. What scriptures could they quote to justify these rights? When confronted with a thug, there has to be muscle in ones understanding of rights. This article, whilst helpful, doesn't give the required understanding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90425237363912976492016-12-09T08:20:24.118-08:002016-12-09T08:20:24.118-08:00"The only one that has authority over you is ... <i>"The only one that has authority over you is Yeshua and him only. Yeshua told his disciples to do what Moses said and not what the Pharisee's said."</i><br /><br />Does this include polygamy and stonings? Moses advocated for polygamy by example, and got his rocks off by preaching stonings.<br /><br />Lately, I've come to understand that I should obey Yeshua, and stone a few of my neighbors to death.<br /><br />Would you be willing to appear as an expert witness for my defense if I get caught and go to trial?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48663473694868891632016-12-09T07:29:46.429-08:002016-12-09T07:29:46.429-08:00Nck, is "FESTA EST" the Werner Hans Erha...Nck, is "FESTA EST" the Werner Hans Erhard(aka John Paul Rosenberg) version of Festivus?<br />And, does Bestivus mean, "best Festivus EVER!"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36750696227016585582016-12-09T05:51:31.972-08:002016-12-09T05:51:31.972-08:00Connie Schmidt said...
You have the right to read ...Connie Schmidt said...<br />You have the right to read and to post on BANNED without fear of consequence.<br /><br />Yes that's why most comment as "Anonymous"!<br /><br />Are they in fear?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367980210657153883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80469386982165140742016-12-09T02:09:34.957-08:002016-12-09T02:09:34.957-08:004:13
The problem with any religion is that time b...4:13<br /><br />The problem with any religion is that time bound principles and reaction to local circumstance or trends become universal laws and regulations.<br /><br />Until the 1990 's MAKE UP was widely used in the Worldwide church of God by Male Evangelists (who presented the world tomorrow (because of lighting and professional tv standards for format)<br /><br />Protective measures for women in both the bible and islam are at present turned into oppressive measures and even child molestation. But I can fully understand marrying girls of 14 when the average age of your society is 29 and that of males even lower because of enduring war cycles.<br /><br />Please interpret any of the Holy Books including 1950's stances on make up by a 1892 born man and dress with standards that apply today. Unless you would like to turn your worship service on a chosen holiday in a toga party. Than I say party on. Or FESTA EST or something.<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-58715086625617967652016-12-09T00:07:39.765-08:002016-12-09T00:07:39.765-08:001.09 PM
You also have the right to be an idiot by...1.09 PM <br />You also have the right to be an idiot by taking anything Herbie and his ministers claim as wisdom and truth!!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80526560903472776352016-12-08T20:24:21.754-08:002016-12-08T20:24:21.754-08:00Anon 413
There may be someone around who can answ...Anon 413<br /><br />There may be someone around who can answer that. I'd guess it was in the 1950s, as that's when he brought in the makeup rule to get his older daughter to leave. <br /><br />I remember it was the late 1970s when the rule that the minister must be called "Mister" was to be rigidly enforced. HWA said it had to do with being too informal in his church's youth group back in the 30s or 40s. Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16804172065209844602016-12-08T19:44:22.683-08:002016-12-08T19:44:22.683-08:00You have the right to read and to post on BANNED w...You have the right to read and to post on BANNED without fear of consequence. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76142157836078767282016-12-08T18:24:26.163-08:002016-12-08T18:24:26.163-08:00Or as Ron White once said....
I have a right to r...Or as Ron White once said....<br /><br />I have a right to remain silent, but I just don't have the ability!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76493945899136439192016-12-08T18:00:03.454-08:002016-12-08T18:00:03.454-08:00You have the right to be more of the good person t...You have the right to be more of the good person that you are and not be a slave to religion.Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52429933969893969082016-12-08T16:53:43.635-08:002016-12-08T16:53:43.635-08:001.09 PM sounds like a minister.1.09 PM sounds like a minister.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23485751218275697902016-12-08T16:13:56.227-08:002016-12-08T16:13:56.227-08:003.21PM I can't help wondering whether church ...3.21PM I can't help wondering whether church leaders abusing members and treating them like dirt was of Herbies doing. Was he 'punishing' God for not returning in 1975, by vindictively lashing at His followers? Did Herbie turn into a traitorous Antiochus Epiphanes in his old age?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com