tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post8458496744764170949..comments2024-03-28T08:37:16.470-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Living Church of God: Did Doug Winnail Just Take A Swipe at Meredith/McNair Gestapo?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6143682225963410632016-07-29T07:26:35.422-07:002016-07-29T07:26:35.422-07:00Brethren in far flung places also received the wee...Brethren in far flung places also received the weekly update on Thursdays, not just ministers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72188545703964204102016-07-25T11:20:13.465-07:002016-07-25T11:20:13.465-07:00Anonymous July 22, 2016 at 2:59 PM had access to W...<b>Anonymous July 22, 2016 at 2:59 PM</b> had access to Winnail's comments before they were read to LCG members on the Sabbath. LCG sends a weekly CAD update to ministers every Thursday, to be read at Sabbath services. Winnail's comments were posted here on Friday afternoon. This means that one of the insiders posting here is an LCG minister!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15003979321801451092016-07-23T23:15:14.304-07:002016-07-23T23:15:14.304-07:00i have been following this page for years, and fra...i have been following this page for years, and frankly it is clear to me that if the original wwc of God had obeyed Gods Command to love there would likely never have been such a page...<br /><br />all of you people that poo poo the concept of Love and of Obedience to God are frankly in contradiction to what this page is all about; and even if this page itself does not also acknowledge and appreciate the importance of the same, it certainly can see the validity of the anguish and discontent that results from the lack of love in these churches...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44867847359024590332016-07-23T08:35:53.619-07:002016-07-23T08:35:53.619-07:004:17 Many "Christian uberpersons" treat ...4:17 Many "Christian uberpersons" treat those who disagree as people on lower strata than they are.<br /><br />I've seen it over and over again, including how self-perceived "Christian uberpersons" treat others, and examples are in this blog's comments.<br /><br />Its against the nature self-perceived "Christian uberpersons" to consider that they're at the same level of those that they bully. Not to mention that a good old-fashioned apology usually doesn't occur to such self-perceived "Christian uberpersons"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20991387098754523422016-07-22T15:37:06.631-07:002016-07-22T15:37:06.631-07:009.52 AM good reply. A step in the direction of lov...9.52 AM good reply. A step in the direction of love would be the teaching of rights.<br />I have on several occasions posted here that rights are a taboo topic in the churches (since love entails respecting ones and others right). I don't come across the word very often on this blog either. I assume this is ignorance. For instance, people have a right to be free from abuse, free from violence and free from deception. People also have a right to be left alone, ie, no pesty members or ministers following others around like a dog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82054089809975302602016-07-22T14:59:00.620-07:002016-07-22T14:59:00.620-07:00Another swipe from DW!
The Value of Truth: Ame...Another swipe from DW! <br /><br />The Value of Truth: America is in the midst of another presidential election. Around the world other nations are also in the process of looking for new leaders. During such times, candidates for leadership positions make all sorts of claims and counter-claims that lead many to question the credibility of the speakers. Sadly, we live in a world where truth is often obscured by “spin” which leads growing numbers of people to doubt and distrust statements made by would-be leaders. This should surprise no one, because this is Satan’s world (2 Corinthians 4:4), and he is the “father” of lies (John 8:44). Long ago, God foretold that the time would come when “truth is fallen in the street… everyone will deceive his neighbor… they have taught their tongue to speak lies” (Isaiah 59:14; Jeremiah 9:5). The Bible reveals there will be serious consequences for lying (Jeremiah 9:7, 13-15) and that “all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire” (Revelation 21:8). The God of the Bible is “a God of truth” who desires truth “in the inward parts” (Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalm 51:6). This is why Christians are commanded to “come out” of this world (2 Corinthians 6:17-18) and follow the ninth commandment (Exodus 20:16). We must also gird ourselves with truth and learn to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 6:14; 4:15) if we want to be in the kingdom of God (Psalm 15:1-2).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39842501822023614912016-07-22T09:52:24.459-07:002016-07-22T09:52:24.459-07:002:07 PM, The people who are playing stupid are the...2:07 PM, The people who are playing stupid are the people who refuse to search scripture to determine God's definition of love.<br /><br />It sounds like your members and ministers are telling you to ignore Matt. 18 because they have no love for you. They also have no love for the abusers whose sins they are enabling (and whose sins you are enabling if you follow their unloving advice).<br /><br />Christian love doesn't mean being a doormat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44639161669154159552016-07-21T14:07:11.116-07:002016-07-21T14:07:11.116-07:009.57 AM Everyone is influenced by societies defini...9.57 AM Everyone is influenced by societies definitions. You know this as well as I do. Playing stupid is not a admirable trait. I have had members and ministers tell me to ignore ongoing abusive behavior in the name of love. I assume you are coming from the same point of view. That is, forget about the ten commandments, all we need is love. Yeah sure. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42960596385738475792016-07-21T03:27:14.502-07:002016-07-21T03:27:14.502-07:00Anon12:20PMs. Yes, I also experienced this same ex...Anon12:20PMs. Yes, I also experienced this same exploitation from ministers and their croney member friends who abuse verbally and financially other sheep in the congregation. They always get you to pick up a far flung member who is too lazy to catch a bus, when they the croney member live nearer that you do. And of course if you do not serve them in they way they think you should "take them out for dinner and pay every time, feed them constantly, pick up the tab on their expenses at the feast, even though they receive tithe assistance. All on the blessing of their minister. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44618509668910513072016-07-20T05:30:17.959-07:002016-07-20T05:30:17.959-07:00The FB post that 417 mentioned is down today. Twen...The FB post that 417 mentioned is down today. Twenty bucks says LCG Gestapo called that man and ordered him to take it down.<br /><br />It's well known that they have people at LCG headquarters that monitor Facebook for any potentially negative comments.<br /><br />I'd say that discussion that the fast on the 30th is because of the court date on the 1st including links to Banned articles would qualify lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-292479600889687322016-07-19T17:41:54.351-07:002016-07-19T17:41:54.351-07:00i bet the poster would have no problem defining th...i bet the poster would have no problem defining the word hate...indeed the concept of love is "vague" because our society is simply resistent to the concept (ironic, since we all could benefit from it) in the first place...<br /><br />where does this self defeating notion come from??? satan, our enemy...<br /><br />and you are correct: ultimately any ambiguity stems from the fact that we do reject the Word of God, and have instead made our selves gods, all knowing, with our phds and secular sages...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39856690377857475482016-07-19T17:27:56.635-07:002016-07-19T17:27:56.635-07:00"And now these three remain: faith, hope, and..."And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love." 1 Corinthians 13:13<br /><br />amazing how something so clear cut is resisted generation after generation by we who so clearly could benefit from the concept...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64089952450127865632016-07-19T09:57:25.818-07:002016-07-19T09:57:25.818-07:0010:53 PM says "worship Him by Obeying Him...&...10:53 PM says "worship Him by Obeying Him..." In other words, all that is required is the same obedience expected by a slave toward his master: obedience out of fear of the whip (that is, the lake of fire).<br /><br />8:25 AM says "your 'love' concept is too vague in today's society." 8:25 AM is so caught up in his/her society that he/she looks toward society for the definition of love and not toward the Bible. Perhaps 8:25 AM can post the scripture that says that love is defined by society and not by the Word of God.<br /><br />Thank you 10:44 PM for your comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74579090227127590252016-07-19T08:25:54.206-07:002016-07-19T08:25:54.206-07:0010.44 PM your 'love' concept is too vague ...10.44 PM your 'love' concept is too vague in today's society. It can mean just about anything. Not forgetting, the gospel is that God will give humans immortality if they build sufficient character. After all, what good is the love thingy if you die?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88846903043335052102016-07-18T23:39:31.713-07:002016-07-18T23:39:31.713-07:00Ok. Why then do YOU keep coming here.Ok. Why then do YOU keep coming here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29052744783040583462016-07-18T22:53:27.943-07:002016-07-18T22:53:27.943-07:00keep the Sabbath, keep the Holy Days, and practice...keep the Sabbath, keep the Holy Days, and practice the boundless Love and Grace of Christ, and also His Command regarding Justice, Mercy and Faith...<br /><br />worship Him by Obeying Him...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81219683898089472912016-07-18T22:44:22.334-07:002016-07-18T22:44:22.334-07:00dr. winnail is literally the only one that has res...dr. winnail is literally the only one that has responded to the plea i made long ago to put more emphasis on the concept of love, and this after he had one time stated that love was secondary to preaching the Gospel...<br /><br />now he sees that the concept of love is literally the Gospel, and always has been...the Gospel is about loving thy neighbor as thine own self, and is far superior to the notion of there being a superior race of the children of Israel...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-559576154106264622016-07-18T18:27:30.395-07:002016-07-18T18:27:30.395-07:0012.20PMs post is an example of the fact that abusi...12.20PMs post is an example of the fact that abusive environments do benefit some members. I observed this during my church going years. They themselves are abusive and exploitive, and are protected by like minded ministers. For instance, there were abusive women who were constantly asked out because of a shortage of women. I don't believe they would ever be asked out on the outside of the church. The church was a gold mine for some.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40475937458562927612016-07-18T16:17:31.727-07:002016-07-18T16:17:31.727-07:00I saw a Facebook post today of several LCG members...I saw a Facebook post today of several LCG members talking about the upcoming LCG fast on July 30th. One man stated that the fast was because of the August 1st court date in the Scarborough law suit. Most of the LCGers following the thread indicated that they had no idea about the lawsuit. One posted a link to Banned.<br /><br />Just think of all the new LCG viewers Banned will have tonight.<br /><br />I hope they read HWA's letter to Meredith. I hope they read what Meredith did to Leona McNair. I hope they read the dozens of personal stories ex-LCG batter sheep have shared about the horrible things LCG ministers have done to them. Maybe they will see how vain, greedy, hateful and vindictive the leaders of LCG are and refuse to participate in Meredith's pathetic fast. I mean, what kind of man calls a fast to force thousand of unsuspecting members who blindly follow him to 'BEG' God to show LCG favor instead of allowing them to pay the price for the crimes they have committed. Talk about abuse of power!<br /><br />I remember the 1st time I started investigating LCG. I stayed a member for another 2-3 years but once I was awake, I could see their lies and lack of transparency for what it was. LCG is naked and blind yet they do not know.<br /><br />Keep the Sabbath. Keep the Holy Days. But learn about the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and His boundless love and grace. It's liberating and wonderful. Fly free little bird!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55880464392608325422016-07-18T16:09:36.332-07:002016-07-18T16:09:36.332-07:00Anon 3:27 I too was in GCG and then LCG for 18 yea...Anon 3:27 I too was in GCG and then LCG for 18 years total. You have to really try to remain as blissfully ignorant as you appear to be.<br /><br />I will say, there are some small congregations with exceptional ministers in LCG so if you are confined to such a group and have no interactions with headquarters or larger congregations, perhaps your bubble has yet to be burst.<br /><br />But after observing years of many, many, many instances of horribly bully-like, un-Christian behavior from the "leading men" in LCG, I came to the conclusion that there was absolutely NO WAY POSSIBLE that LCG was God's church. Men who represent God on earth would NEVER act the way those men act. God is love. Christ is grace. LCG is more clueless about this than mainstream Christianity could ever be.<br /><br />The COG is a body of people who are not affiliated with any one man-made organization. Some are in churches. Some are not. Following a man (Rod Meredith) can only lead to one thing. Idolatry is easy to fall into when LCG ministry preaches that they are Christ's spokesmen on earth and that members have to obey them or else be at risk for not being pillars in the KOG because they are disobedient to "God's government". That is a load of brainwashing crap.<br /><br />Your position in the Kingdom will be based on one thing and one thing only... your development of true Christian character and active demonstration of love for your fellow man.<br /><br />Obedience to LCG ministry gets you nowhere. Please wake up before it is too late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6311001658093984182016-07-18T15:27:49.817-07:002016-07-18T15:27:49.817-07:00I've been with GCG / LCG since 1996 and know m...I've been with GCG / LCG since 1996 and know many people in influential places within it and many others whose names have been disparaged on this blog. Again, you people here have ZERO knowledge of what actually takes place within it. You are the ones who are naive and believe every bit of hearsay that is vomited out on this blog. Keep the laughs coming! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18135558295998513252016-07-18T14:29:50.522-07:002016-07-18T14:29:50.522-07:0012:20 ~ real members of LCR, with real inside expe...12:20 ~ real members of LCR, with real inside experience are posting here, and nonmember posters are commenting. Remember, members' behavior has changed. It's like a vote of nonconfidence in the leadership. Some of the brethren with whom you attend sabbath services no longer allow the ministers to muzzle their freedom of speech. The couple you greet and smilingly shake hands with after services may well be putting their tithes into an escrow account until they can determine who qualifies to receive those tithes. And, they are sharing with us, bigtime! Does that sound like information that would make you chuckle? <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48530608942950335172016-07-18T13:57:11.599-07:002016-07-18T13:57:11.599-07:00I always chuckle at the LCG members to come on her...I always chuckle at the LCG members to come on here denying anything is wrong in the LCG. They are truly naive. They see it first hand in the church and ignore it. The internet is full of horrendous horror stories, not only here but on countless other sites, and they ignore it. Thanks for the laughs!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65249500514304655732016-07-18T13:22:57.409-07:002016-07-18T13:22:57.409-07:0012.20PM. Mr 'laughs,' with your un 'pr...12.20PM. Mr 'laughs,' with your un 'pre conceived' ideas and inside knowledge that we lack, who does the giving, and who does the getting with your churches 'give way?'<br /> I too will get a chuckle from your answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47379918885904568252016-07-18T12:20:33.454-07:002016-07-18T12:20:33.454-07:00I always gets a chuckle out reading the comments o...I always gets a chuckle out reading the comments on this type of blog from people who have ZERO inside knowledge about anything they are writing. Every comment here is based on a pre-conceived idea of what the commenter desires LCG to be. Thanks for the laughs folks! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com