tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post8478208122562739647..comments2024-03-29T02:57:52.065-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Wicked Shepherds: OBEY THEMNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53375156914321845642017-06-12T06:58:30.791-07:002017-06-12T06:58:30.791-07:002.41 PM
"Religion of self reliance?" Yo...2.41 PM<br />"Religion of self reliance?" You could have just said obey God and His commands, but noooo, you have to drag 'self reliance' into the mix. Legitimate self reliance is inherent in the parable of the talents. God gives us the desire of OUR (self reliance) hearts, He blesses OUR (self reliance) plans. We are told to ASK, SEEK, KNOCK (self reliance). <br />What you really mean is reliance on gangster lording ministers. It seems members are expected to never make a decision without influence from church members. And that's at minimum. <br />One human being does not own another. This is what is being debated. The bible addresses this with its 'who are you to judge another mans servant.'<br />Since you believe some people own others, <br />God will make you a slave during the tribulation. See how it feels and how vile it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70128049659621788552017-06-11T04:06:13.450-07:002017-06-11T04:06:13.450-07:00what is delusional is the fact that we take our fo...what is delusional is the fact that we take our food supply and safety as something for granted...<br /><br />if you look at the kind of evil that is happening in the world in places like syria, columbia and south sudan, and what has historically happened in europe, where conflicts have led to hundreds of millions of deaths, what we have in america is an aberration so thorough we are literally in denial about the possibility of any pain and suffering occurring...<br /><br />we honestly believe such things could never happen here, although there have been numerous dry runs, shots across the bow, as it were; the most recent of which was in 2006-07...<br /><br />what is delusional is the fact that we think what is happening around the world could never happen here even though we have received numerous hints about how easily it could indeed happen here...<br /><br />and given our propensity to make personal insults, and our willingness to ignore history, clearly we deserve our ultimate fate...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14718090180857771182017-06-11T03:51:54.579-07:002017-06-11T03:51:54.579-07:00if i do expect a "supernatural being to punis...if i do expect a "supernatural being to punish all", as you have erroroneously implied that i do, it is not as if there is no precedence for such an expectation...<br /><br />and true to form, there are always scoffers and skeptics leading up to the event...<br /><br />you worship einstien, and i worship Christ...why is your worship of a man any different than mine? at least the man i worship has prehistoric documented validation that He would do the things He did, and also the same indicating He will one day do it again...<br /><br />all you have is the worship of a dead man what has not since communicated anything to you, nor has he demonstrated any lasting significance...<br /><br />Christ has been around for thousands of years, and His foretelling preceded Him for thousands of years...His Name will be on the lips of men going forward for who knows how long...<br /><br />less than 100 years later and few millenials even know einstien...<br /><br />delusion belongs to they what put their faith in those who rot in the grave and ignore the obvious, and obviously there are billions that acknowledge Christ for a reason...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91503862726699021972017-06-09T11:39:04.916-07:002017-06-09T11:39:04.916-07:00Regarding God and religion, Einstein said, "T...Regarding God and religion, Einstein said, "Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true....Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never left me." He also wrote, "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-19337151062979745172017-06-09T11:30:32.776-07:002017-06-09T11:30:32.776-07:00You are suffering from delusion... now. You expec...You are suffering from delusion... now. You expect an supernatural thing to punish all who don't believe what you believe. That, is delusional. Sorry that you never got over the whole Santa, tooth fairy, Easter bunny thing. Grow up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21823755605753664852017-06-09T08:41:10.880-07:002017-06-09T08:41:10.880-07:00Exactly! Armstrongism only allows one math functi...Exactly! Armstrongism only allows one math function. You're not allowed to add or subtract, either. Just stupidly multiply.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71902805514888881392017-06-08T20:53:18.874-07:002017-06-08T20:53:18.874-07:00Well, RSK, for sure they put HWA above the 12 and ...Well, RSK, for sure they put HWA above the 12 and Paul. The current crop of leaders know that in the minds of the long term church members, they're just temporary substitutes for HWA. That's why they treat the fake titles they give themselves as being so important.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27440927390276474052017-06-08T19:23:25.362-07:002017-06-08T19:23:25.362-07:00Becareful you Don't get put out for causing di...Becareful you Don't get put out for causing division.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70583575203963112802017-06-08T18:47:38.813-07:002017-06-08T18:47:38.813-07:00This is a fantastic article! I have passed it on ...This is a fantastic article! I have passed it on to several friends in LCG and UCG. It is time they STOP swallowing the edicts from their church leaders and ministers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20586948090807947762017-06-08T14:41:53.904-07:002017-06-08T14:41:53.904-07:00its easy for us to speak in terms of self reliance...its easy for us to speak in terms of self reliance in this generation of fast food, general civil peace and prosperity, civil services like the police department and the fire department; we literally have forgotten how vulnerable we really are...<br /><br />eventually the reality of our weakness, and the fact that we are a prey species will be manifest, especially given the kind of leadership we currently have: once they cause our economy to fail yet again, the many things we take for granted will not be there, and we will revert to an animal state...<br /><br />we had a dry run on this back in 2006-07, yet the same arrogance that persisted then remains today; its only a matter of time before the markets finally concede to the reality of having a potus who has poor character, and the bottom drops out of the economy for good...<br /><br />then you will understand that you shouldve sought God while He could be found; then you will begin to see the value of the Power of submission to God because in the day of calamity your religion of self reliance will have been exposed as delusion...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49671216624544945812017-06-08T12:31:01.366-07:002017-06-08T12:31:01.366-07:00But then again, I was very young at the time, and ...But then again, I was very young at the time, and some things went on that I didnt know about until much later. I dont recall ever hearing HWA equated with "Zerubbabel", but I learned about it later by flipping through PCG literature.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30550853786057760802017-06-08T12:28:08.026-07:002017-06-08T12:28:08.026-07:00Do they accept that their leaders are equal to tho...Do they accept that their leaders are equal to those men? Except for the guy they call "the apostle Paul", the WCG I knew seemed to place HWA at a higher importance than the twelve apostles...RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18226490724889483822017-06-08T07:46:52.617-07:002017-06-08T07:46:52.617-07:00Defense of many at the Nazi Nuremberg trials after...<br />Defense of many at the Nazi Nuremberg trials after WWII, that was soundly defeated and ruled against...<br /><br />"I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67380541451212333832017-06-08T07:46:39.956-07:002017-06-08T07:46:39.956-07:00“Wicked shepherds: OBEY THEM”
Gerald Flurry and...<br /><i>“Wicked shepherds: OBEY THEM”</i><br /><br /><br />Gerald Flurry and David Pack are not wicked shepherds. They are wicked wolves.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68807270570106300572017-06-08T07:39:12.534-07:002017-06-08T07:39:12.534-07:00The problem in Armstrongism is that members have b...The problem in Armstrongism is that members have been conditioned to equate the authority and leadership of their ACOGs with the leadership of the first century original Christian church. Once this dubious connection is made or allowed, ACOG leaders "own" the members. Now, prophecies are not being fulfilled, and people are not being healed by the passing shadows of their leaders, nor are tongues of fire present at ACOG baptisms. But, still, most members of Armstrongism accept the illusion that their leaders are equal to Peter, Paul, James, and John. They've been persuaded to accept lower threshholds of "proving all things".<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81958668974233583202017-06-08T05:20:53.128-07:002017-06-08T05:20:53.128-07:00...and the context of course is that of christian ......and the context of course is that of christian slaves obeying and putting up with the abuses meted out by their masters, who we have to assume aren't Christian masters or someone might be telling them to lighten up on the believing slaves instead of the slaves sucking it up.<br /><br />It never seemed to cross anyone's mind that human slavery was immoral. It was too convenient. Perhaps the teaching of the time was that Jesus himself had 12 slaves so no problem. The authentic letter of Philemon by Paul sending a new convert back to reconcile with Philemon may or may not be slave/master event as supposed. There is room in the text for brother/brother restitution in the reading but it is a kinder gentler approach to the topic even thought Paul sent the man back to face the music offering to repay Philemon himself. DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3853146258816396682017-06-08T05:04:40.448-07:002017-06-08T05:04:40.448-07:00Anonymous said...
the author forgot 1 Peter 2:18-2...Anonymous said...<br />the author forgot 1 Peter 2:18-20...we should submit even to the froward masters...<br /><br />its about the Spirit of Obedience, something that was central to Christs allowing Himself to be lynched...it is about abandoning self will and trusting that God will ultimately make it better...<br /><br />its about the Holiness of Obedience to God, and the Power that God offers in order for us to achieve that Obedience, imitating Christ..."<br /><br />Aside from the fact that I Peter was not written by any former fisherman disciple of Jesus named Peter for many reasons, the pseudonymous author was demanding the average follower in the church put up even with the unqualified and annoying types that had gotten into the "ministry" The book is all about the growing control the late 1st century church was beginning to exert. The excellent Greek screams that no Peter of the Gospels wrote this but was written in his name to give the edict credibility. People could be fooled better back in the day with all the forgeries floating around demanding this or that be done in "Jesus" name.<br /><br />Abandoning self will and trusting that "God will make it better" is a fools game but one religious leaders play perfectly in the unfolding authority of the ministry in the NT. Works pretty darn good today too in the hands of those who quote and misquote the topic back to the laity. <br /><br />Depending on how Jesus is presented, he has come off as "Liar , Lunatic or Lord" and we might add as well, "legend". Early church fathers , writing in the name of Jesus for their own ends, loved the compliance of Gospel Jesus and used it to manipulate the minds and hearts of the faithful ever since. <br /><br />One needs to be very careful in adopting the "Spirit of Obedience" when their are middlemen running the show. <br /><br /> DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66835251864912565352017-06-08T04:15:57.268-07:002017-06-08T04:15:57.268-07:00Great Article! Thank You Banned HWA For The Wonder...Great Article! Thank You Banned HWA For The Wonderful Information Which Helps People Who Had Their Lives Ruined By The Lies And Hypocrisy Of The Armstrong Cult.Corinth, Mississippinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-58392830157608550842017-06-07T19:32:21.166-07:002017-06-07T19:32:21.166-07:00the author forgot 1 Peter 2:18-20...we should subm...the author forgot 1 Peter 2:18-20...we should submit even to the froward masters...<br /><br />its about the Spirit of Obedience, something that was central to Christs allowing Himself to be lynched...it is about abandoning self will and trusting that God will ultimately make it better...<br /><br />its about the Holiness of Obedience to God, and the Power that God offers in order for us to achieve that Obedience, imitating Christ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62651155967958641522017-06-07T18:36:17.685-07:002017-06-07T18:36:17.685-07:00What an excellent article! I feel this might have ...What an excellent article! I feel this might have a parallel with John's reference to the Nicolaites in Revelation 2:6, 15 as I've read that the word can be broken down into meaning "conquerer over the people" or like Balaam "lord over the people." HWA and the ACOGs have historically been renowned especially for their obsession--or idolatry!--with "government" that has led to much physical, emotional and spiritual abuse among their members due to the oppressive and tyrannical nature of this "beastly" system. Look even at 3 John 1:9-10 and his description of Diotrephes "who loveth to have the preeminence among them" and speaks maliciously against the lay members or disfellowships them surely resembles those taken from the same cloth as HWA, like GTA, RCM, Flurry, Pack, Coulter, Thiel, Weinland, Malm, etc. It seems the ACOGs and its hierarchs aren't as pure as they like to think they are seeing they have been quick to point out the errors of Catholics and Protestants alike, but ignore or deny their own egregious errors against decent people who are seeking God. I guess it'll take the coming Great Tribulation to purify and reform the ACOGs as well in spite of the "politicians promises" of HWA & Co. that membership in their group alone can ensure their protection from such divine wrath. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51050180744168239342017-06-07T15:52:17.602-07:002017-06-07T15:52:17.602-07:00Beneficial learning! Grateful for this post.Beneficial learning! Grateful for this post.anonymous63noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49954033001368419952017-06-07T15:04:45.947-07:002017-06-07T15:04:45.947-07:00The WWCG could not have existed without "God&...The WWCG could not have existed without "God's Government". It was all about Herbert's God-given authority. But if his authority came from God, why was he so often wrong on so many issues??<br /><br />He was busy feeding his ego and promoting himself, not some higher power. He had a good imagination, advertising skills and a brash personality, but he was not sent from God to proclaim the gospel.<br /><br />Time has already told. It's official! He was a fake!Gerald Bronkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351342089409543119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2585065513483841632017-06-07T14:35:56.168-07:002017-06-07T14:35:56.168-07:00Totally cool! The problem is that in Armstrongism...Totally cool! The problem is that in Armstrongism, Armstrongite ministers are the only arbiters as to what constitutes an accurate translation, and what is a mistranslation. And this, of course, has historically had no relationship to knowledge or education over the past 80 years. Obviously, they would not approve or agree with any of these materials presented from the Wicked Shepherds website, because this would diminish their pseudo-authority.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com