tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post9197410667647678736..comments2024-03-28T04:23:41.363-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Are You Able to Learn, Unlearn and Relearn? Do You Need All The Answers?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11825294518772207272016-08-31T18:00:41.604-07:002016-08-31T18:00:41.604-07:0010.24AM a common experience with dating, and not j...10.24AM a common experience with dating, and not just with me based on observation, is the woman basically ignoring her date. The guy spends time picking up and chauffeuring his date (what's the real cost of running a car), pays the restaurant/movie bill and gets next to nothing in return. The woman seems to think that honouring their date with their presence is a fair trade. Which it isn't, unless the woman is beautiful, which is the exception in the church. A fair trade would involve the women being attentive, expressing interest in her dates life. For instance, asking how's work, what do you do for a living, seen a good movie recently? what was that like? The woman is paying her date with emotional currency since everyone loves to talk about themselves. I have only experienced this once, in the dozens of dates I had in the church.<br />Then they complain to a bullying daddy minister that they are not being asked out. <br />You can buy a nice basic android tablet for the price of one of these useless dates.<br />I'm vocalizing what many guys think but never say. Please, no shooting the messenger.<br /><br />Cheers TradingGuy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84862481515244419482016-08-30T10:54:47.412-07:002016-08-30T10:54:47.412-07:00About "answered prayers"-
One scenario ...About "answered prayers"-<br /><br />One scenario of "IT"S ANSWERED!" is when something is asked for and it comes to pass.<br /><br />Another scenario of "IT"S ANSWERED!" is when something is asked for and it doesn't come to pass. In this scenario, apparently God answered by saying, "NO!" and having other ideas.<br /><br />IOW, no matter the result of a prayer request, a Christian can say that the prayer has been answered.<br /><br />In such a mindset, it's not "result-dependent": Whether or not a person did or didn't find their car keys, or did or didn't get healed of cancer, ANY result is still considered to be a prayer answered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16749894317495303082016-08-30T10:24:44.011-07:002016-08-30T10:24:44.011-07:00Perhaps TradingGuy will write an article for Banne...Perhaps TradingGuy will write an article for Banned, about how his experiences dating women didn't go well because the women he dated didn't do "trade" as it should be done.<br /><br />I'd like to see him write about how, on a date, women can properly 'trade'- and, thus, make the date one which would please God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53888331769176641912016-08-30T01:57:55.129-07:002016-08-30T01:57:55.129-07:00RSK, everyone has a little red phone in their hou...RSK, everyone has a little red phone in their house. If only they would fulfill the necessary terms and conditions, the phone would be answered at the other end.<br /><br />Cheers TradingGuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50512579840376434742016-08-29T22:57:39.487-07:002016-08-29T22:57:39.487-07:00It seems TG has a little red phone in his house.It seems TG has a little red phone in his house.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70245590172148807532016-08-29T22:26:28.672-07:002016-08-29T22:26:28.672-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28590022118056735172016-08-29T22:17:24.079-07:002016-08-29T22:17:24.079-07:008.50 PM the commies used the concept of polylogic ...8.50 PM the commies used the concept of polylogic to try to 'explain' the theory and practice (in fact, impractibility) of communism. However, there is only one reality (in the beginning God created the heavens and Earth) and only one logic (you shall know them by their fruits). So I suggest you review your following the 'biblical recipe.' Did you really??<br /><br />Cheers TradingGuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6534034354876484722016-08-29T20:50:30.148-07:002016-08-29T20:50:30.148-07:00"2.44PM I did say "which proves to me.&#..."<i>2.44PM I did say "which proves to me.' I did not say "which proves to you." God is no respecter of persons and will answer the prayers of everyone who choses to live by the ten commandments. This is the proof for 'everyone who disagrees.'</i>"<br /><br />Or, as in my case, the disproof, since I followed the biblical recipe and yet, no answered prayer. So we live in different realities, have different standards of proof, different meanings for "respecter of persons," different mathematics, different meanings of "fallacious argument," different goalposts, in fact, different everything!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42264083166472810812016-08-29T20:32:54.430-07:002016-08-29T20:32:54.430-07:00But what if EVERYBODY did what you just did?
OHhh...But what if EVERYBODY did what you just did? <br />OHhh..wait, It's okay for you and you alone to question other people's answers, but how dare anyone question your authentic direct line to God!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9437235220125958452016-08-29T20:27:20.318-07:002016-08-29T20:27:20.318-07:00Well said!Well said!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3322149359535074302016-08-29T20:05:28.224-07:002016-08-29T20:05:28.224-07:002.44PM I did say "which proves to me.' I...2.44PM I did say "which proves to me.' I did not say "which proves to you." God is no respecter of persons and will answer the prayers of everyone who choses to live by the ten commandments. This is the proof for "everyone who disagrees."<br /><br />Cheers TradingGuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71955569067932207552016-08-29T14:44:53.477-07:002016-08-29T14:44:53.477-07:00"12.04PM the gospels were forged??"
You..."<i>12.04PM the gospels were forged??</i>"<br /><br />You really need to do some research to understand why there is no reason to think that the bible is what your parents and other religious types have told you it was since birth.<br /><br />"<i>The problem here is that the holy spirit has communicated to me on several occasions, by putting a certain scripture into my mind. I know it's from God because it has a unique emotional feel. Which proves to me that the bible is Gods inspired word, and that Dennis is mistaken in his 'God doesn't exist, and the bible is a myth' beliefs. Answered pray trumps any intellectualizing</i>"<br /><br />OMG! This is the same as William Lane Craig's "<a href="https://youtu.be/2C3T17aKPCI" rel="nofollow">self-authenticating witness of the holy spirit in my heart</a>" that makes him completely immune from any and all evidence. Craig's position is delusionalism in the extreme. It's the ultimate unfalsifiable assumption. It effectively isolates him from reality.<br /><br />It's als intellectual suicide. It reveals a profoundly arrogant double standard to assert that <i>my heart</i> provides irrefutable proof of metaphysical truths, while the hearts of everyone who disagrees with me deceives them.<br /><br />This is a terminal case of preferring answers that cannot be questioned instead of questions that cannot be answered.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36375654782617303282016-08-29T14:31:34.631-07:002016-08-29T14:31:34.631-07:00Gerald mentioned the confining clutches of religio...Gerald mentioned the confining clutches of religion, and for the approximate three decades of my life I was embroiled in it, it was truly confining. I worried about what I put in my mouth, what I did on so-called "holy" time, my sex drive and its expression, and just about everything every day and every moment. It was all aimed at keeping me feeling guilty and fearful of divine retribution, not getting to that substitute for Never Never Land called the place of safety, and whatever, as long as it kept you in line. <br /><br />Looking back on it, I don't know whether to cry or laugh, and it really pains me to see people still going through all that angst.<br /><br />Allen C. DexterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17715651965757903682016-08-29T12:04:56.131-07:002016-08-29T12:04:56.131-07:00John..count the "when YOU"s and "Th...John..count the "when YOU"s and "Then YOU"s in the text. It does not mean "Then THEY". It was them being spoken to and of. Failed prophecy otherwise why bother telling them anythingDennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60801873800646155892016-08-29T10:31:00.614-07:002016-08-29T10:31:00.614-07:00It is gratifying for me to read the above comments...It is gratifying for me to read the above comments and discover that there are several who have escaped from the confining clutches of religion. I wish I knew the identity of each of you, but I actually only know Allen and Dennis, from AC days. Especially appreciate the comments of Black Ops Mikey. You have obviously done some reading.<br /><br />My intention with my posts is not to destroy anyone's happy outlook, but to help you find the ability to learn to be free and think for yourself. Frankly, there is not much of a happy outlook found in the pages of the bible, unless of course, you think you are one of the "special elite" that god has chosen to accompany him in his kingdom. To hell with the rest of us. It is a very divisive and exclusive book, for the most part, and it is used by many to divide humanity. <br /><br />There will always be a Strong's Concordance or some reference material available to help you find a way to be "RIGHT". "If it makes you happy, then why the hell are you so sad?".<br /><br />BB mentioned Bart Ehrman. I credit his writings for helping me open my eyes. He had his beginnings in Fundamentalism, so I relate to his life experiences.Gerald Bronkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351342089409543119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7750011079183261122016-08-29T06:58:55.020-07:002016-08-29T06:58:55.020-07:00Interesting take Dennis.
If shackled in any religi...Interesting take Dennis.<br />If shackled in any religion, your love for p and c would have delivered you from those shackles.<br /><br />In my case I was reading my science magazine as a 12 year old, reading about man as a species and how a european could on a protein or blood level differ more from his next door neighbor than the next african 1000 miles away. This "knowledge" was among the first causing cracks in the imposed belief system when as a 13 year old youngster taught at Sep who to dance with and who not because of the obvious perceived differences between people.<br /><br />Welcoming our local group home from camp our pastor asked to raise hands "Who liked SEP?"<br />Of course I enjoyed the many varied activities.people and experiences I treasure to this day. But as a 13 year old at that specific time I made a conscious decision to defy the authority of the church and did not raise my hand. I still remember the wondering, startled stare of the pastor.<br /><br />If it weren't for science.....<br /><br />nck nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68703111261740079872016-08-29T06:33:01.229-07:002016-08-29T06:33:01.229-07:00Meaning....no religion would have been able to con...Meaning....no religion would have been able to contain my endless love of paleontology and cosmologyDennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42999822278538599302016-08-29T06:24:13.398-07:002016-08-29T06:24:13.398-07:00BB noted: ' We've just found different sol...BB noted: ' We've just found different solutions to the Armstrong problem."<br /><br />The Armstrong/WCG problem was merely the catalyst to looking at the much bigger picture of origins and fantastic claims I am sure for those such as Allen and myself. It is not the cause as if we had been anyplace but WCG it would not have occurred. For me, I am sure I would be in the same place of mind had I stayed Presbyterian. <br />DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8263380913080029802016-08-29T05:19:45.083-07:002016-08-29T05:19:45.083-07:00Anon 1:10 PM responded to Gerald Bronkar writing: ...Anon 1:10 PM responded to Gerald Bronkar writing: "...Gerald, those particular passages, plus the parable of the fig tree in Mark 13:28-30 (and which is reproduced in Luke 21 and Matthew 24), are ones that were popularly cited in the COGs with the apologetic that hinges on the interpretation of "this generation." Which generation is he talking about? His own 1st-century generation, or the generation that's around when "all these things begin to happen"? If one assumes that Jesus means his own generation, then Jesus is a false prophet, and that's unacceptable, so obviously, he must mean some distant future generation thousands of years later. Right? Obviously..."<br /><br />As food for thought, some other considerations for a generation may be God's Church for one:<br /><br />"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:" 1 Peter 2:9<br /><br />Another generation example could be Satan and his angels, which are brute beasts made to be destroyed (2 Peter 2:12) someday in the future...i.e., they will die. There is reason to believe they will be the ones experiencing the second death.<br /><br />But, generation-wise, Jesus spoke to Pharisees who were actually driven by evil spirit beings, but was Jesus speaking solely to the Pharisees? No, He was speaking to a particular generation that still is alive today.<br /><br />Matthew 23:29 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!..."<br /><br />The rest of verse 29 through verse 32 Jesus describes the evil works accomplished within the lives of numerous human beings (James 4:5; Eph 2:2; I John 3:8, etc.), but was Jesus blaming the humans?<br /><br />:33 "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"<br /><br />Was Jesus accusing human beings of being that generation mentioned in :13? Are humans described as serpents? Vipers? We need to continue reading more of the context. Verse 34 describes more evil works amongst human beings.<br /><br />:35 "That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."<br /><br />Now, which scribe(s) or Pharisee(s) had anything to do with Abel or Zacharias? Not a one of them. Jesus is speaking through the humans to evil spirit beings, who were made to eventually be taken and destroyed. To date, that still has not happened to that generation, but we are another day closer to that event. Finally, next verse:<br /><br />:36 "Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation."<br /><br />Any still believing that God cannot and will not destroy Satan and his angels were taught some "junk food;" that is not true. If God can make them, He can destroy them. And time will tell...<br /><br />John<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17906050545130261082016-08-29T03:56:08.356-07:002016-08-29T03:56:08.356-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41612701174950550092016-08-29T03:28:59.670-07:002016-08-29T03:28:59.670-07:00Gerald, you need to look at the body of evidence (...Gerald, you need to look at the body of evidence (living by every word of God) plus use wisdom to discern bible truth.<br /> <br />Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that thisG3778 generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. <br /><br />Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, ThisG3778 generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. <br /><br />Strongs "ThisG3778" generation, can be translated 'this' or 'that.' Looking at the body of evidence, 'that generation' is the correct translation.<br /><br />Cheers TradingGuy<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22772064333495405262016-08-29T03:11:13.453-07:002016-08-29T03:11:13.453-07:0010:32 AM I didn't say whether a religious spi...10:32 AM I didn't say whether a religious spirit is good or bad. The Romans had a religious spirit, so did the French revolution, the Nazis, modern communism, Islam and left wing liberalism. Humans are religious creatures, and it's a religious spirit that drives human history. Is it good or bad? If used in the service of the good, yes then it's a good thing. When used in the service of evil, such as Nazism, it was a bad thing. <br /><br /><br />Cheers TradingGuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86837906403543752832016-08-29T03:01:21.342-07:002016-08-29T03:01:21.342-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15222568300370071052016-08-28T21:55:10.930-07:002016-08-28T21:55:10.930-07:00That's good, BB. Everybody has to find peace ...That's good, BB. Everybody has to find peace their own way, and for the most part, I've found mine.<br /><br />Allen C. DexterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67638525863651669982016-08-28T19:49:43.715-07:002016-08-28T19:49:43.715-07:00Allen, we all get under one anothers' skin. T...Allen, we all get under one anothers' skin. That's not a big deal, because in most cases we've all just innocently gone on in our lives, and found different solutions. And probably the reason why you can't place me from the New York days is that I was just a little kid back then busy being seen and not heard. Don't worry. I had a favorable impression of you back then, and I've got a favorable impression of you now. We've just found different solutions to the Armstrong problem.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com