Saturday, March 31, 2012

Ron Weinland: A Church of God "Jonestown" in the Works?



There was a post on Face book yesterday about Ron Weinland and his latest message to his followers.


Just heard this morning that Ron Weinland has told all his followers that the end is here and if they have any money saved up they should spend it. I have a cousin who is spending two weeks in Hawaii, and a sister who is planning a trip there too.

Is Ron prepping his group for his upcoming imprisonment?  Or, does Weinerdude have something worse up his sleeve. It will only be a matter of time till Ron Weinland or some crazy splinter group leader flips out and hundreds will die.

Then there could be this scenario with Weinderdude.  It is almost a given he will be imprisoned for tax evasion.  With any luck they will imprison the Second Witness also.  I then can imagine Ron's next prophecy.  While he is  in prison, there will be a large earthquake that will free him and his co-conspirator wife from prison just like Paul and Silas.  Then they can finish their two witless witnesses work.

Van Robison on "The Battle For the Human Mind"






The Battle For the Human Mind


People are vocal because they want others to listen to what they have to say.  The Worldwide Church of God was vocal, as on radio, television and through its magazines, books and literature, because it wanted to influence as many as possible to accept their perspective.  A consequence of having followers is very often---tons of free money.  There is an on-going battle for the thought life of human beings.  It is like a mental tug-of-war.  Mormons struggle for the non-Mormon mind to come on board, as do the Jehovah Witnesses, splinter groups of the original Worldwide Church of God, Seventh Day Adventists, "Sacred Name" groups and all others.    Virtually every group wants your allegiance.  Why?  For those who believe in Jesus Christ, this is indeed strange, because Jesus taught that He alone is the source of LIGHT and TRUTH.  How then is being a disciple of a Worldwide Church of God splinter group, following Jesus?  Are church members really deceiving themselves about who they really follow?

Allegiance to a man, a "pastor" a church group or denomination is not one and the same as allegiance to Jesus Christ.  Many think they are following Jesus, but in reality they are mental slaves to the pastor of the church they go to.    Going to church has absolutely nothing to do with following Jesus.  Many refer to the teachings of Paul or the teachings attributed to Paul falsely and think that Paul was Jesus Christ in the flesh.  He was an impostor who NEVER knew Jesus Christ and yet millions look to this man, like tens of thousands looked to Herbert W. Armstrong during his lifetime.  "Christians" who are challenged about their beliefs are often highly offended, some are arrogant, some are silent and some are hateful in retort.

Few really examine the mountains of evidence that question the Bible.  As for example if EVERY CHURCH in the world would challenge their members by reading and studying such articles as is found at www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/0110Scriptures.php, which speaks about the Old Testament, at least the common people would be exposed to thoughts and thinking that they have never entertained before.  To automatically accept that the Bible is true history is a fallacy.  It should be doubted and in that doubt, dig deep and seek answers that one will NEVER hear from any pulpit of any church on earth.  Humans are biased and that is why anyone who is a "Christian" is NOT a good archaeologist.  Archaeology belongs to those who have no vested interest in the outcome of discovery.  Anyone with a vested interest can proclaim fictions that are not true and even produce fake artifacts to deceive the public.

LYING SCRIBES have been around for thousands of years and when the church world awakens from its stupor some day, it will be an embarrassment that so many believed myths on no other basis than they read it in "the Bible."  The Bible is largely myth.  Why then believe in Jesus Christ?  On my part, because He makes sense in teaching that you should LOVE others and NOT WAR, and that people should be humble and not haughty.  He taught that violence was NOT of God, but of men.  Why then did He mention names like Abraham, Noah, Moses and a few others?  Who knows?  That does not mean that He gave His stamp of approval to the barbarity we read in the Old Testament we read today, which is probably very different from anything Jesus ever read in some other language two thousand years ago.

Van Robison

Thursday, March 29, 2012

Guide To Interpreting the Bible





The Journal: Platform For The Nut-jobs?



There is an online edition of the latest Journal that you can download as a pdf.  There is a lot of controversy still boiling around over the canon of the Bible, what belongs, what doesn't.  There is a long article about women speaking in church that has some really interesting points.

Most of it is just typical COG articles of interest. The thing that strikes me as kind of weird are the numerous paid advertisements from various COG ministers and members who write about some of the stupidest things.  The World Trade Center was an inside job, Illuminati silliness and more.  I also find it interesting that this kind of garbage makes it, yet Douglas had his article kicked back when he struck at the nerve of Armstrongism by debunking British Israelism.  That old apple cart can't be upset still, after 70 some years.

One crazy guy caught my attention so I thought I would check out his web site.  Below are just a few of the absurd things he preaches.  His name is Jan Young and below are just a few comments from a single days entry on March 10, 2012.  There are hundreds of other tidbits in that day's entry that are not even quoted here.  Conspiracy nut jobs will salivate at this morons web site.

The number 666 and All-Seeing-Eye are embedded in some movies and on TV. They are seen easily in plain sight, or slightly off the focus area, or only noticeable subconsciously.

There are 3 city-states: Vatican City (spiritual), “The City” in London (finance), and Washington DC (military, forces regime change)–the 3 parts of the All-Seeing-Eye triangle. Each with an Egyptian style obelisk for god Ra.

Just 6 months before 911 the (Larry) Silverstein Group bought the WTC for $3.2 billion, yet was to pay $200 million in renovations including asbestos removal. In court after 911 it was awarded billions so profited greatly. Larry increased insurance against terrorism weeks before 911. Marvin Bush, George’s brother, was head of security at WTC until just before 911–another coincidence?

Mostly non-ethnic Jews died in the Holocaust, not racially of Judah. Real Jews in Denmark and elsewhere escaped.
The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing created a 3.0 Richter scale signal, but only buried explosives could do that. Blasts above ground dissipate upward due to least resistance so there is little earth moving. The 3.0 corresponds to 100 tons of TNT (really a nuke blast?) buried deep under ground causing a crater, 60% of the blast going upwards. Not 2 tons of cheap fertilizer explosives. The blast collapsed or damaged 324 buildings.
Why else would Timothy McVeigh be indicted for WMD using a fertilizer bomb? A nuclear bomb produces an EMP frying all electronics in the area, and that happened.

Viet Nam war was for drugs of the Golden Triangle. US troops shipped home in body bags had drugs inside. Those alive became addicted and spread the habit in the US. Those in the military who protested were eliminated. War dissidents in the US were disrupted with ELF or microwaves used to make them crazy, slated for insane asylums and not believed.

Jonestown cult suicides were really CIA mind control victims with various mind control drugs evidenced by needle marks on the bodies, staged as suicides. Church of Satan founder LeVay worked for the CIA.

The logo for Time Warner Inc. is a variation on the Eye of Horus…Gradually, we’re are all being inducted into Satanism.”
“The Illuminati intermarry with other generational Satanists. It’s no coincidence that Chelsea Clinton married a Jewish investment banker, while Karenna Gore married the grandson of one.”

Freemasonry and the religion of most Jews is based on the Cabala, not the Bible. Copying the Skull and Bones Club, the Boule recruits top Blacks as civil rights activists to prepare to rule. Like other secret societies, they bond in sexual perversions.
Several people told of sexual abuses at Bohemian Grove for top male leaders, and that the ritual of a burned sacrifice of a real child does take place there, as many had suspected.

That top Freemasons sacrifice children 8 times a year on their high days, even tens of thousands of children. She gave details of their perversions, including bestiality. “She said 80-90% of the House of Representatives and 100% of the Senate belong to the Illuminati.”

 Freemasonry has Infiltrated the Boy Scouts. The OA was founded in 1915 by two 32° Masons and the rituals are patterned on Masonic rituals…These rituals–which include a blood covenant are being conferred upon innocent Boy Scouts…(This info) comes from a scout who has experienced demonic spiritual manifestations after his initiation into OA

 MI6 planted a nuclear bomb to cause the Dec. 26, 2004 Tsunami. “Indonesian Intelligences were duly warned and took action by taking out large insurance claims.”

Many Jewish prayers are said in Yiddish, as Bar Mitzvahs The young involved do not understand what they say and actually invoke demons in their rituals. Judaism is Lucifer worship. 

Armstrongism want its self to be taken seriously by the world as a legitimate church.  How can anyone with an intelligent brain ever claim they are when this is the kind of stuff that is passed off as truth in COG publications?

You can read this edition of The Journal here:  The Journal, Issue 148 - February 2012

(Updated 3/29/12) More UnChristian Behavior from Philadelphia Church of God



A former PCG member posted a comment on the following post dated January 7, 20120:

Gerald Flurry Declares Fast Because of Exodus of Members

Anonymous said...
The REAL PURPOSE of the fast was to make the PCG members feel GUILTY about not honoring their pledges, (that Gerald Flurry MADE them pledge in the first place),they made to the Auditorium building fund. THIS was the TRUE reason for the fast. I know this because I was IN the PCG. I was recently DISFELLOWSHIPPED by BRIAN DAVIS, for trying to defend myself after he and his brother-in-law, (Andrew Hessong), called me up trying to make me feel guilty and ACCUSING ME of ACCUSING PEOPLE! The REAL REASON FOR THE DISFELLOWSHIP: I am a single mom struggling to raise my son by myself, AND CAN'T HELP SUPPORT THE MINISTERS,THEIR WIVES, AND THEIR CHILDREN, AND EVERYONE ELSE AT "HEADQUARTERS". Brian Davis told me to LEAVE my husband in 2004. I did. This caused all kinds of problems for me and the PCG. The PCG ended up having to hire TWO ATTORNEYS for the church and myself. Then more recently I was told by Brian Davis' brother-in-law,(Andrew Hessong), to contact the Office of Attorney General to take my EX to court. My Ex was already paying me me child support on his own. When I took these ministers advice, he stopped giving me support.So between all this BAD ADVICE FROM PCG MINISTERS, I also get THROWN OUT OF THE PCG. IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY. THAT'S THE TRUTH!! THE END!!! March 24, 2012 9:26 PM

Update:

P.S.- This comment goes along with the last one I left-(me and my 13 year old son getting disfellowshipped by Brian Davis with his accomplice brother-in-law Andrew Hessong of the Philadelphia Church of God): I forgot to mention that Brian Davis tried to SECRETLY DISFELLOWSHIP ME in February 2006. He and a Mr. Reese Brown called me up, (SURPRISE ATTACK), after I OBEYED MR. BRIAN DAVIS, and had left my husband. I was in Washington State at this time. The conversation went like this: "Hello B...this is Brian Davis. I've got Mr. Reese Brown on the line also. ...Did you tell Mr. Brown you did NOT try to get an attorney before you left your husband?" Then I replied: "I told Mr. Reese Brown that I DID try to get an attorney before I left my husband, but the attorney told me that I COULD NOT FILE until we had settled our bankruptcy"...(later I found out she was only telling a half truth)...Then Brian Davis told me, "Well, B...I've prayed about this, and I've come to the conclusion, YOUR LYING, AND YOUR DISFELLOWSHIPPED, AND DON"T TELL ANYONE WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION!"

Very soon after this conversation, I got a call from the church's attorney, and he told me..."No, B...your not disfellowshipped. Mr. Flurry and others were sitting at the table about to disfellowship you, when Mr. Brown confessed to his part in this".

BUT Brian Davis HAS NEVER CONFESSED! He later told me, "B...I was just trying to get you MENTALLY PREPARED". He has been trying to find ways to get rid of me ever since,(THE BIG COVER-UP) because the church had to hire an attorney to defend the church's doctrines, so I was included. They paid for my divorce. Brian Davis really secretly hates me for this. My divorce went terrible. I now can pretty much assume it was because BRIAN DAVIS was slandering me to the attorney. I always wondered why the attorney RARELY would come to the phone or call me back when I had a question. Brian Davis had made other attempts to discourage me, hoping I would disappear and quit the church, BECAUSE OF THE MESS HE CAUSED. He loves to PROVOKE. This way he can tell everyone, "She talked bad to me". That's one of his favorite sayings. He ACCUSES others of what he does. Well, he finally achieved his goal on February 22, 2012... I'M OUT!...I never found that "open door".March 26, 2012 8:43 AM


Update  (3/27/12)

AND ANOTHER THING...About that "open door" policy? I've already written to Mr. Gerald Flurry. I didn't get a response. I kept hearing "horror stories" about other women getting disfellowshipped and still after YEARS, not being able to "GET BACK IN".

Now I ask you...IS THAT BIBLICAL? According to "THE CHURCH". Christ calls you into the Church...Where in the Bible does Christ say his ministers are suppose to use, abuse, slander, humiliate, intimidate,twist scripture, THROW OUT, all those innocent little "babes" in Christ, and REFUSE to have anything to do with them again?
Christ says in Luke 17:2...It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he be cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Did I forget to mention...Brian Davis also SUSPENDED me while I was going through my divorce. I innocently sent him an e mail I had sent to my attorney. You see, the church was ready to stop paying the attorney/attorneys, after they cleared themselves,so everyone, (the attorney, Brian Davis, my local minister), were pressuring me to agree to pay my ex, child support, for my son, so the church could "wrap up this whole frivolous mess" My local minister told me several times..."B...The church isn't paying for your divorce anymore!"...B...The church isn't paying for your divorce anymore!" The funny thing is...I DIDN'T CAUSE THIS MESS AND I CERTAINLY DIDN'T ASK FOR THE CHURCH TO PAY FOR MY DIVORCE!!BRIAN DAVIS CAUSED ME AND MY KIDS TO GO THROUGH HELL!!...And that's what it was...My daughter ended up in Rusk State Hospital...suffering from post stress disorder...after what her "so called father" did to her...(which no one still wants to believe)...On one of my long journeys to visit her, while I was driving down the highway, low and behold, guess who called me? None other than BRIAN DAVIS. My mother was in the car with me, and since I was AFRAID OF WHAT BRIAN DAVIS WAS ABOUT TO SAY, and did not want my mother to hear the conversation, (as I was STILL trying to protect the church's reputation), I pulled my car over and got out,...(my hair blowing all over the place in my mouth, etc.)...This "so called" minister of God, could care less what I was going through...(and he dared not even ask)...All I remember about that UNEXPECTED CALL FROM BRIAN DAVIS, were these words..."B...You've made A LOT of mistakes in your life!"...What a "CHEERY" thing to say to me. I wanted to STRANGLE HIM by that time. That's a normal response, considering the circumstances. But I thought that he was "GOD'S MINISTER", and somehow MAYBE he was right... WRONG!!!...He was actually talking about HIMSELF...and still didn't know it. I've learned, people usually ACCUSE people of doing what THEY are guilty of. The purpose of the call was to DISCOURAGE ME and maybe I would GIVE UP and LEAVE THE CHURCH, so they wouldn't have to continue paying for my divorce and Brian Davis could say..."See...told you...she wasn't converted after all!"...BRIAN DAVIS' BIG COVER UP PLAN!!    March 27, 2012 9:04 AM        


Update March 27, 2012 9:06 AM

Back to the e mail I sent to "MR. BRIAN DAVIS"... Because my divorce was going so terrible and everyone was pressuring me to "just agree" to pay my ex child support to wrap things up...I sent this e mail to my attorney which basically said...No, I'm not listening to anyone...I'm THINKING FOR MYSELF THIS TIME, (using my critical thinking skills)...I am NOT going to sign the divorce papers and agree to pay my ex husband child support. After all...I left him because he was living and working in California, and he was running around with other women, and actually had a woman living with him...THIS IS WHY I TOOK MY SON AND LEFT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
I forwarded this e mail to Brian Davis ASSUMING he would be on my side...OH, NO,.. ANOTHER "MISTAKE IN MY LIFE"...Brian Davis took that one line..."I'm not listening to anyone"...and suspended me. I was told to read "God's Family Government", and an "anger management" paper, and fast and pray, etc. and call him back. It took months for him to accept that MY attitude was right, and FINALLY let me come back "in the church". He also told me to call my attorney and apologize TO HIM! I was so stupid,...I Did...I wonder what other "HOOPS" Brian Davis could have gotten me to jump through? The day I was FORMALLY ACCEPTED back into "the church", I could tell by my local minister's response...I don't believe he wanted me to come back...He walked off as Brian Davis was reluctantly welcoming me back. Could that ministers actions have been caused by BRIAN DAVIS SLANDERING ME!! Of course...I know this because after the local minister walked away...Brian Davis said to me, (while glancing back and forth between looking at his cell phone and the local minister)..."B...Mr. so and so is a fine minister...BUT...from now own, if you have something to talk about, don't talk to him...call me" WHAT'S UP WITH THAT I ASKED...Even though I put it all together later and figured it out. Now If I would have followed Brian Davis' ORDERS, and never again talked to my local minister and just called up Brian Davis...THAT probably would have turned into a MAJOR FIASCO TOO!!...It's all crazy... March 27, 2012 9:06 AM

Update March 28

STILL ABOUT BRIAN DAVIS...Let me clarify some things. The reason I'M remaining anonymous is because I'm trying to expose Brian Davis. Brian Davis knows who I am. That's all that matters. Brian Davis would consider this as being a coward. NO, HE'S THE COWARD PICKING ON WOMEN IN THE CHURCH AND THROWING THEM OUT!! HE DISFELLOWSHIPPED ME THIS TIME BECAUSE I WOULDN'T OBEY HIM AND SHUT-UP WHEN I WAS JUST TRYING TO DEFEND MYSELF AND EXPOSE HIM TO THE OTHERS ON THE PHONE LINE AND OTHERS SECRETLY LISTENING TO THE PHONE CONVERSATION AT "HEADQUARTERS" THE LAST TIME HE DISFELLOWSHIPPED ME, (FEBRUARY 2010)...And besides that...I don't know if THIS DISFELLOWSHIP IS LEGITIMATE OR NOT...Because as I wrote earlier...Brian Davis tried to SECRETLY DISFELLOWSHIP ME February 2006, after he had told me to leave my husband...but later DENIED ALL BLAME, saying, "B...I was just trying to get you MENTALLY PREPARED". He told me in our last phone conversation from "Headquarters", that..."B...you were confused and not in your right mind"...(oh, so I'm just a LUNATIC, (as I believe that's the way this SOCIOPATH thinks about all women)...So...He's telling me I didn't hear him say what I thought I heard him say??...What a LIAR! telling me,..."And don't tell anyone we had this conversation!"...yea, right!...THAT'S THE FIRST THING I TOLD THE CHURCH'S ATTORNEY WHEN HE HAD TO CALL ME BACK AND HIRE ATTORNEY'S FOR THE PCG AND ME!...NEXT SUBJECT...March 28, 2012, 7:46 AM