Wednesday, November 27, 2013

Something Just to Think About...





I can't say I ever heard much in WCG, nor did I ever speak much if at all on the Birth Narratives of Jesus when pastoring.  I think it was subconsciously avoided due to the over reaction the church had to all things Christmas.  I gave one sermon on both accounts twice in two different places towards the end of my ministerial career explaining why the Birth Narratives were added to the Gospels of Matthew and Luke and how they simply cannot be harmonized and that was not the point anyway.  The conflicts over why there would be genealogies of Jesus in both books giving rather human roots to Jesus but then the birth stories which made genealogies moot as God was Jesus father are endless.  Apologetics goes into overdrive when discussing the Birth Narratives of Jesus.  My view, as you should know by now, is that the Narratives are not harmonious and it obvious that neither writer read the other's story before writing their own.  They were added to the Gospels accounts and are not eyewitness accounts of anything.  While not trying to sound too harsh or pointed, there were never really any Wise men, shepherds watching flocks, angelic choirs, roaming stars, flights to Egypt, the slaughter of the innocents or quiet trips back to Nazareth after 40 days.  These stories are mined totally from the Old Testament Scriptures, as was the writing style of the times, to give Jesus a spectacular birth fit for the Son of God.  The Caesars had them so why not Jesus...


If one is genuinely interested in the background of the Birth Narratives, one of the definitive works on the topic is by Raymond Brown in his classic, The Birth of the Messiah.  It is a heavy hitter and he admits to having to his own caution not to offend the Magesterium of the Church and get himself bounced.  Father Brown removes any doubt as to the intent and mistakes made my the authors of the Birth Narratives that would not be tolerated today.  He even takes Ernest Martin, of WCG fame , to task for his unfortunate literalism which lead Ernest Martin to all sorts of calculations about the Star of Bethlehem etc.

The Birth Narratives of Jesus as found in Matthew and Luke are fascinating.  I would like to point out one aspect of the genealogies which lead from Abraham to Mary.  I would like to point out that in this genealogy are four WOMEN, which of itself is rather unheard of in genealogies of this type.  But what is more interesting is that the four are not the women one would expect.  There are no Sarahs, Leahs or Rachels.  No Deborahs or even Eves, though she might make the cut on this one.  The four women included are all fallen women with questionable backgrounds.  They were as included in the text....

Matthew 1:

"The Genealogy of Jesus the Messiah An account of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham was the father of Isaac, and Isaac the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, and Judah the father of Perez and Zerah by Tamar, and Perez the father of Hezron, and Hezron the father of Aram, and Aram the father of Aminadab, and Aminadab the father of Nahshon, and Nahshon the father of Salmon, and Salmon the father of Boaz by Rahab, and Boaz the father of Obed by Ruth, and Obed the father of Jesse, and Jesse the father of King David. And David was the father of Solomon by the wife of Uriah, and Solomon the father of Rehoboam, and Rehoboam the father of Abijah, and Abijah the father of Asaph, and Asaph the father of Jehoshaphat, and Jehoshaphat the father of Joram, and Joram the father of Uzziah, and Uzziah the father of Jotham, and Jotham the father of Ahaz, and Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, and Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, and Manasseh the father of Amos, and Amos the father of Josiah, and Josiah the father of Jechoniah and his brothers, at the time of the deportation to Babylon. And after the deportation to Babylon: Jechoniah was the father of Salathiel, and Salathiel the father of Zerubbabel, and Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, and Abiud the father of Eliakim, and Eliakim the father of Azor, and Azor the father of Zadok, and Zadok the father of Achim, and Achim the father of Eliud, and Eliud the father of Eleazar, and Eleazar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah."



To refamiarize yourself...

Tamar -Daughter-in-Law of Judah

Tamar-  Tamar was accused of prostitution on account of her pregnancy. Upon hearing this news, Judah ordered that she be burned to death. Tamar sent the staff, seal, and cord to Judah with a message declaring that the owner of these items was the man who had made her pregnant. Upon recognizing his security deposit, Judah released Tamar from her sentence and accordingly she was able to give birth to twins, Perez and Zerah. Perez is said to be the ancestor of King David. The Genesis narrative also makes a note that Judah did not have further sexual relations with Tamar. (Genesis 38:24-30)


Rahab, the Harlot who helped the boys out 

Rahab, (/ˈr.hæb/;[1] HebrewרָחָבModern Raẖav Tiberian Rāḥāḇ ; "broad," "large"; GreekῬαάβ) was, according to theBook of Joshua, a woman who lived in Jericho in the Promised Land and assisted the Israelites in capturing the city. Nearly all English translations of Joshua describe her as a harlot or prostitute.[2]


Ruth the pretty relative of incestuous ancestors

Ruth the Moabitess,  (a Gentile through whom no heir to the Messiah could come.) the great-grandmother of David, and, according to the Gospel of Matthew, an ancestress of Jesus.  The Moabites were descended from the incestuous relations between Abraham's nephew Lot and his oldest daughter after the destruction of Sodom (Gen. 19:33-38)


Bath-Sheba because she was taking a bath.  If she was taking a shower, she'd be "Shower-Sheba."  (Radio Preacher truth I heard here in town.  I added the shower part.)

Bathsheba (Hebrewבת שבע‎, Bat Sheva, "daughter of the oath") (Arabicبثشبع‎, "ابنة القسم") was the wife of Uriah the Hittite and later of David, king of the United Kingdom of Israel and Judah. She is most known for the Bible story in which King David took her to sleep with him.  (But they were not really sleeping:)

Why fallen women?  Because it was not uncommon for the early Church to have to defend Jesus birth as not illegitimate and Jesus a bastard is why.  In John 8 we have an argument that goes wildly out of control between Jesus and the Pharisees over who really can claim God as their Father.  It ends up Jesus telling them their father is the Devil and they are all liars.  The Pharisees respond with stones. So much for turn the other cheek.  Just before this knockdown, we have the story inserted many years later and not in any originals showing that texts were indeed edited along the way to fit agendas, of Jesus and the woman taken in adultery.  Jesus basically reminds the men they all have done it too in one way or the other and they slink away.  All is forgiven.  Was the author responding to his misunderstanding of the charge in John 8:41 that unlike Jesus, the Pharisees were not born of Fornication?  Maybe....   The spin off doctrines of trying to keep Mary a Virgin and thus herself clean and Jesus perfect have been many.  One embellishment of a story leads to the need for many more to explain how the last one could be. 

Including the four fallen women in the genealogy was some one's attempt  to send the message that no matter, even if Jesus had a questionable birth and circumstances were dicey at best (no one really knows anything about Jesus actual birth date or circumstances), God can work through fallen women to accomplish his goals so get off Mary and Jesus back!  The inclusion of the women was an admission that few would buy the "Dad, Joseph...I have something to tell you.  I am pregnant but not to worry.  It is by the Holy Spirit and the baby will be the Messiah because God begot him in me.  I am really still a virgin."   "Oh ok...great!" was probably not going to be any real response by the men in Mary's life.  Joseph is a bit player in the play and comes and goes from the scene quickly.  

I recall a several brilliant questions from a teen to me once which left me only with, "Wow..great questions!"  I was asked how old Mary was when she had Jesus.  Tradition says below the age of 16 and maybe as young as 12.  He asked if that wasn't a crime?  Prolly!    He then asked me who was Mary's husband when she had Jesus?  Well we might say Joseph but he was not the father of Jesus .  It was God according to the story.  He then asked me why that would not be considered fornication on God's part since God may have been the father but not the husband...  See what I mean about one story leading to another to explain the last one!  He finally asked me a third question about the text that says Mary was with child "by the Holy Spirit."  Ummm...Mr. Diehl, who's child was this?  God's or the Holy Spirit's?  The problem gets bigger if you imagine the HS as a third person of the one mysterious thing.  Another topic where one answer produces the need for more stories.  I liked that kid!  He's probably an Episcopal Priest somewhere now!  He would probably understand this...and be ok with it too.


...but that's another story  :)


At any rate, tis the season to hear the story over and over and I know if you were in WCG or are in the Splinters, you not only won't hear much of the story but you certainly won't hear the why and how of them and the fascinating politics going on behind the scenes which required them to be inserted in the text.  Let's face it, if the geneologies lead from God or Abraham or Adam and Eve back to Jesus, without miraculous stories, then why do we need them?  The fact is that the geneologies were probably much older in the text than the come later Birth Narratives suited for another time.  Rather than remove them, because they were already so popular, they just let it be complete with all the conflict doing so would bring theologians and thinking Christians for the next 2000 years.

Tuesday, November 26, 2013

David C Pack: You Will NOT Go To The Bathroom During Services!



Silenced has the following entry on their blog about a woman who attended for a brief time with the Restored Church of God cult.

Shirley Ward left this comment on our last post about RCG cult lunatic David C. Pack’s efforts to control his members:
I was with the RCG for several months, but got out because I was treated like child in an elementary school. I was told I had to call (one of the members) to let them know if I wasn’t going to be there on the Sabbath. I made it very clear that I, am 76 yrs old, and had some medical problems that kept from leaving the house. When I didn’t call, I was reprimanded. I explained that if I didn’t show up, that I was too ill or the weather was too bad.. I also, explained the difficulties I had, getting to and from the meetings, as it took me two hours to get there and that the traffic was extremely bad. Then I was told that I nor my grandson wasn’t allowed to go the restroom during the sermon to do so before or after the sermon, which was a problem for me, because of the medications I took. I was furious when I would get phone calls about how I or my grandson would leave during the sermon, so after the last tongue lashing I went on line and left a scorching e-mail and told them what and how I felt about the RCG Mr. Pack and his ego trips, constant need for money for his building fund and so on. So there, I just validated all of your comments.

Silenced ends the entry with this:
Dear Wadsworth media,
Potential sources criticizing Pack’s cult are practically being handed to you. Your laziness and lack of intellectual curiosity are rather sickening at this point. Real reporters would be probing this already.

Amen to that!  The Wadsworth "reporters" have given Dave a free pass on his cultic behavior. They know the criticism but refuse to hold him accountable.  How many lives need to be lost to this dangerous cult before one of them wakes up?

Merry Christmas! Thiel Says Earth Will NOT Be Destroyed By Comet ISON on December 16th.







Whether it is eating halal turkeys or worrying about the Mayan calendar predicting the end of the world, Armstrongites continue to be attracted to everything imaginable, except to Jesus.


Bob Thiel wants us all to know that the comet ISON will not destroy the earth or cause Armageddon. Bob knows he is correct because 32 of his other prophecies have come true.


That being said, the ‘great tribulation’ itself will not start on December 16, 2013. Perhaps I should mention that world events also aligned with at least 32 predictions in my book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect (a list can be found at the beginning of the old article End of Mayan Calendar 2012–Might 2012 Mean Something?). And yes, I do believe my biblically-understood prophetic views about the start of the ‘great tribulation’ will also be correct.  Comet ISON is not going to destroy the Earth.

Is It A Sin To Serve Halal Blessed Turkeys To Your Guests At Thanksgiving? Thiel Says It Might Be...



The silliness that occupies the minds of so many entrenched in Armstrongism seems to get worse every year.  Thiel is reporting that he got asked a question about halal slaughtered turkeys that have a prayer said over them as they are slaughtered. 

The enlightened prophet says:

COGwriter
A while back, a reader sent me a link to the following item from 2011 that was somewhat true then:
America’s favorite meal may be secretly dedicated to Allah
Customer service representatives from Butterball, one of America’s most popular Turkey brands, confirmed to WND that the company’s whole turkeys are – without being labeled as such – slaughtered according to Islamic “halal” standards…Multiple phone representatives at Butterball confirmed the turkeys are slaughtered according to halal standards, and one named Tracy (she declined to give her last name) further confirmed the words of Islamic dedication are spoken over the birds. Has your Thanksgiving turkey been sacrificed to idols? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=370177#ixzz1eRWF91z4
But then there was a change in 2012:
Butterball’s Thanksgiving turkeys won’t be served with a side dish of Islamic dogma this year.
The company has announced that its turkeys are not slaughtered according to Islam’s halal dietary principles, which say that animals should be killed while conscious and amid the sound of Islamic prayers.
The theological turkey turnabout came after an online protest on the topic last year threatened to sour the public’s taste for Butterball-branded products. http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/21/butterball-disavows-islamic-turkeys/#ixzz2jb9crgyn
Perhaps I should add that the first article also states that Butterball was not the only company that has allowed Islamic prayers over turkeys (there also may be Islamic prayers over other slaughtered animals as well).  It should be understood that Jewish rabbis also provide their approval/blessing on various ‘kosher’ foods and ‘halal’ is somewhat of an equivalent in the Islamic world.

Thiel ends with this:

The reason I said basically, as can be seen, is that if this somewhat would offend an acquaintance, then one should not eat such meat in a manner that would make him/her stumble. Otherwise, eating meat that in other ways is proper to eat is fine.

Monday, November 25, 2013

Sigh...

"Dennis;
You must have a pretty pathetic existence, if all you have to do
is attack your former belief system. If you are so happy to have
rejected what you once believed, why can't you get a life and just
move on?
You have no idea what a major clown you make yourself out to be
with every posting."

Anonymous Email


Every last one?  Really?  

My existence is not so bad. I enjoy learning and always have. I do wish I was a paleontologist though. There is much to learn in this life and there is no easier time in history to learn. Experience seems to be the best teacher.  I would not consider myself to be attacking my former belief system anymore than a Dr. Bart Ehrman of Misquoting Jesus , who began very sincerely as an Evangelical Christian at Moody Bible and just learned there was more to learn or a Dan Barker of Losing Faith in Faith , who had his own experience starting out as a fundamentalist believer.  "When I was a child ..." and all that.

I do have a life and it isn't in starting up or participating in yet another splinter of WCG.  I earn my money with hard work and still enjoying the fact that I am a caretaker at heart.  That's the hard wiring I suppose.  You're right about moving on but when I appear not to be, I am merely endeavoring to point out to others that which may save them from dis-illusionment to come.  But we all believe what we believe until we don't.  It would thrill me if some other former Church of God pastors would step up to the plate by name and share but that evidently is not happening.  I just consider myself to be sharing and anyone on Banned who feels so disposed can do so as well.  The stories and journeys are all different though the point of departure was the same.

Would you care to share your story and affiliations?

I don't consider to myself to be making a major clown out of myself with every posting but if so, thank you for pointing that out.  Having already worked at the Wildworld of God circus for over half my allotted life, I'd rather not do that again is all...

Thank you for kind words and encouragement.  I'd be curious to know who you actually are and your actual church affiliation.  I expect you must attend a COG by the  anonimity and tone of your note.  You're always welcome to give me a call and chat a bit...

Warm regards
Den