Thursday, May 9, 2019

What do You Mean, NO MAN? (Answer to WAT)




"My first big question for you is, do you really know what you are fighting against? The next big question would be how are you going to get around "NO MAN". The John 6:44 no man can come to me unless the Father which has sent me draws (drags) him."

First, let me tackle John 6:44 so you can understand the viewpoint that I understand here. John 6:44 states:

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."

The proper perspective, I believe, to look at this scripture has to do with the reconciliation of man to the Father through Jesus Christ. I don't want to turn this post into a preach fest, but you asked me questions, and I have to respond by scripture: 

"For if, while we were God's enemies, (speaking of the Father)  we were reconciled to himthrough the death of his Son, (Jesus) how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved.

Now let's look at John 6 in context: 


43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you,the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.” (NIV)



My understanding is as such: The Father God has been reconciled to man through Jesus Christ, who died for us and lives in us. The Spirit is what gives life (The Holy Spirit whom lives in us), and the flesh counts "for nothing". The focus that Jesus said was this: That it is a matter of who believes and who does not believe - those that believe that Jesus is the Son of God and those that would betray him. Jesus said that this is the reason He said no one can come to himself unless "the Father has enabled them" to believe. 

The question is on belief. Jesus has made clear that any and all who believe in Him have life. This was proven as evidentiary by the acceptance of the Gentiles by the Holy Spirit who gave the Gentiles the same gift as the Jews - an event that absolutely rocked the hearts and minds and the worldviews of the Jewish Church. Those who did not believe were not drawn by the Father (God is never about forcing people to believe something or not, He gives choice), those who did believe did so because the Father accepted their belief even before Jesus actually died on the Cross. 

Every man who believes is accepted by God. It doesn't make them perfect, it doesn't make them immune to sin - but it allows the ability of repentance through acceptance of reconciliation to the Father only provided by Jesus Christ. It is this message that Armstrongism is against - stating that reconciliation to the Father has not happened yet, is STILL A FUTURE EVENT EVEN NOW,  that the world is still ruled by Satan except those few who believe in Armstrongism, and that those in the world are deceived and cut off from God, thereby not receiving or taking part in any reconciliation to the Father, whether Jew or Gentile, unless accepting of the doctrines of Armstrongism and the keeping of and bonding to the entirety of Law. This is contrary to the teachings of the New Testament, of Paul, of the Acts 15 Council decisions, and of the entirety of the reconciliation proof of God to man through the acceptance of the Gentiles without the necessity of the keeping of the Law as was mandated to the Jews in the Old Testament. This is where the "No man" difference is put to a test. So the question I have for you, then, is simply this: Did the Father reconcile man to himself - and who does that apply to? Armstrongism, or all who believe? 

The other question that you pose is "do I know who I am fighting against"? Scripture answers that question in Ephesians 6:12: 

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.(NIV)

The bottom line to your question is this: The Father has been reconciled to man through Jesus Christ. Mankind has a choice: To believe, or not to believe. This is a personal choice, not done by force or coercion. No man can come to the Father unless drawn by the Father, to make the choice of belief. The issue is if one believes, or does not believe - in their heart, mind and soul - of who Jesus says that He is. The Father knows who does and who does not in their heart, and by their heart shall they believe. This is not a question of who is or is not accepted into Armstrongism or Armstrong's doctrines. It's a matter of belief in the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

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Wednesday, May 8, 2019

UCG Lectures Elders on British Israelism

These were two of the topics that UCG discussed with their Elders on the Sabbath; something Herbert would NEVER have done!  Also, a large percentage of UCG ministers and members no longer believe the mess that British Israelism is and know it has no relevance to anything in the kingdom to come.  While the tales may make fascinating ready, it has no real impact on a Christians walk with God

Instead of discussing this malarkey as "truth", perhaps at the next conference they might discuss something really radical...Jesus.



Galatians 3:28-29 

In Christ’s Family

28-29 In Christ’s family there can be no division into Jew and non-Jew, slave and free, male and female. Among us you are all equal. That is, we are all in a common relationship with Jesus Christ. Also, since you are Christ’s family, then you are Abraham’s famous “descendant,” heirs according to the covenant promises.

Tuesday, May 7, 2019

UCG Elder's Conference Discussed "The Great Compact"




Why is it that the amazing leaders of the Churches of God have to create new phrases in order to discuss subjects that Christians have understood for centuries?  The plan of salvation has always been known, except in the Church of God which has had to attach all kinds of rules and regulations in order for any ACOG member to qualify for it.

UCG held its Elder's Conference this past weekend in the spectacularly beautiful City of Cincinnati, Ohio.  This one topic stood out from the others as one of the more bizarre topics that they were lectured upon.

I assume this will be a discussion on salvation, but this, after all, is a Church of God where nothing is as it should be.

UCG, like the other ACOG's can't understand the plan of salvation because it still ignores Jesus in order to prostrate themselves at the altar of the law they have set up as their true idol.



Sunday, May 5 
The Compact 
The greatest agreement ever made is still honoured and always will be. This great compact is forever, and the outcome is certain. It was made for our sake. We must know what it is, and how it impacts our lives individually and the church today. Understanding the mystery of this eternal compact allows us to assess where we are on the spiritual spectrum of God’s plan. 
Are we on it? Is the path ahead clear to us upon whom the ends of the earth have come? When we properly understand the mystery of this great compact, it gives us the capacity to know where we are and who we are in the great plan of God. It is the heart of everything that is. (Bill Bradford)  Conference Brochure
If you want proof that this is a wierd topic just try Googling it.  It is a completely COG made up phrase.



Gerald Weston: LCG is the Church of Love

Did you know that the Living Church of God is the most loving COG because they keep correct doctrine? Because of that love, we also know that LCG has true disciples!  Amazing!

Every few years the leadership of the Living Church of God has to remind its members that they are to be loving towards one another and be reminded that the top leadership truly loves them. Never has there been a Church of God that loves its members more!

Remember that love?  That love that was shown the Scarborough's when  LCG maligned them and publicly sought to humiliate them?  What about the love that just oozes from Rod McNair's fingertips?  We have seen LCG members share stories of that love on this blog over the last 8 years and it has not been very loving!

Gerald Weston has this to say about love, correct doctrine, and the LCG.
Jesus said, “By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another” (John 13:35). This is a powerful statement and should not be minimized. However, contrary to what many profess, love is more than a warm feeling in one’s heart. It involves sacrifice and caring actions toward God and toward our fellow man.
The Church of God has always sought to demonize Christians outside the small circle of the Armstrong Churches of God.  They never measure up to the glorious standards that LCG or the COG sets.  All others are "fake" or so-called" Christians who "claim to profess" Christian ideals.  Only real love and real truth are to be found within the ACOG movement.
Correct doctrine is vital to the Church of God and love is at the heart of correct doctrine. After all, the Bible is an expression of the mind of God and God is love (1 John 4:816). The Apostle known for his love tells us, “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). So why is this subject so important that I take time to address it in this monthly letter with you dear members and co-workers?
When has "correct doctrine" ever been a benchmark of the ACOG?  It always claims that it is, but with 400 some different active splinter groups there are 400 different ideas on what doctrine should and should not be.
Doctrine, we might say, is simply teachings or instructions, and in this case, the teachings of the Bible. The Apostle Paul confirms that doctrine is important. He warned the Church of God at Ephesus that they “should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting. . .” (Ephesians 4:14). And he urged the members in Rome to “note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them” (Romans 16:17).
Doctrine is simply the teaching of Jesus.  That inconvenient dude that most ACOG's have built pillars of stone upon where they have engraved the law. Jesus has never been able to crawl out from under the weight of that monument to the law, which is probably the reason most of them cannot find him.
Right doctrine is what allows us to have unity. Paul told the Corinthians that they should all speak the same thing, meaning they should be unified in the basic doctrines they were taught by Paul and other ministers of the truth (1 Corinthians 1:10). And he pointed out that we must strive to keep the unity of the faith: “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all” (Ephesians 4:4-6).
When has the Armstrong Church of God ever been unified?  Rebellion and schism created it and continues to form it to this day.  Unity is NOT part of the ACOG way.

As for the Living Church of God following Paul...truly laughable!
A servant of God must teach sound doctrine as found in the Bible, not ideas with roots in pagan philosophy and heathen practices. He must also be bold in proclaiming the truth and in fulfilling God’s command, “Cry aloud, spare not; lift up your voice like a trumpet; tell My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins” (Isaiah 58:1). We live in an age where God is despised, because this generation, especially, hates His laws. Biblical values are rejected at every turn and a totalitarian-minded elite is convincing a whole generation to do everything it can to wipe out any remembrance of God and His Word. The “culture war” is, more precisely, an assault against God.
When has the Living Church of God ever "cried aloud and spared not?"  They deceptively spread their version of the truth on cable and Internet stations in mediums that they whitewash their story to in order to be put online. LCG presents themselves as visions of light and glory to the stations and channels while secretly looking at them as deceived heretical fools.

Sure there are a lot of LCG members who truly do exhibit love towards others, and some even towards those outside the LCG circle, but not so much so with the leadership.

Perhaps on Pentecost, the next high day in COGland the Living Church of God leaders could instruct members to give their offerings to the local food bank or homeless shelter and go there and serve that day.  That would truly be the Holy Spirit in action!





Sunday, May 5, 2019

How are we certain that that "calling" is actually from God? Could there be an alternative explanation?



What about the Truth said: 
SHT, you have missed the big point that answers your question. I think you were as many others were, children of parents that came into the WCG. The majority of this group could never completely embrace what their parents believed and it was to no fault of their own that they were not exactly like their parents. The big dynamic that you have missed is the calling from God. The same calling that pushed, pulled and in some cases dragged themselves into something they had no real desire to get into and went against their sound reasoning of I have better things to do in life.
First, you are correct - I am from a lineage in the Church that started with a baptism tour by McNair/Meredith - a long, long ways back. I do have to address your statement of "The Calling from God" - a "Calling" that pushed, or pulled, or dragged people into the Worldwide Church of God. This in itself is a whole article and research to get into at another time, and one I intend to get into, but that's for a different time to break that down. The big questions have to be: 

A) How are we certain that that "calling" is actually from God? Could there be an alternative explanation? 

B) What evidence is there that such actions would be God-ordained? 

These are the primary questions at the root of your argument as to the large point to the major question here. We have to deduce and determine, factually, that the actual reason why people were "pushed, pulled or dragged" into the Church was because God determined it was to be so. This must be done using fact, evidence, historical truths, and personal reasons for each individual case. 
This calling or strong urge then led to accepting the reality that the wages that they had earned from sinning was death. This now led to the accepting that a perfect son was sacrificed for us and with the act of baptism and the acknowledgment that now having Christ indwelling in a person, you could not now expose Jesus Christ to sin. So the Sabbath, which the COG calls the test commandment and is of the 1st five commandments that relate to the worship of the Father becomes a desire to be kept because it was made holy and God says He wants that person to convocate with him and like minded people. The same applies to the Holy Days. These acts of keeping the Sabbath or Holy Days are physical acts expressing what Jesus Christ called the greatest commandment - to love the Lord thy God with your whole heart soul and mind. Many of the people that remain in the COGs count it a blessing to have to keep 1 day in seven and 7-14 other days with God and with those begotten of God because they get to start doing now what they hope will be in earnest in the near future - the return of Christ and the eventuality of eternally dwelling with God.
This is the bubble within what you call Armstrongism and is the bubble that has perplexed you personally. You have asked how could God call people into such an error filled organization or how could their be true Christians in the COGs. I don't have a direct answer to those questions but it could be that god wants to show the world that a small group of people in the midst of much error and evil can acknowledge love and worship him when most on the outside say it is impossible.
You state first that 

A) The wages that they had earned from sinning was death. No argument on your point. I think that that is something that all people who claim a belief in Jesus Christ believe. This isn't at first a major differentiator. 

B) You state that there is an acceptance that Jesus Christ died for us and with the act of baptism we could not now "expose Jesus Christ to sin". Let me stop here. Scripture says Jesus Christ became sin for us, in our place. There's a big difference between "exposing Christ to sin" - we all our sinners, only saved by grace - and Christ becoming sin for us and dying for us in our place so we can then be reconciled to God through his death and life. Therefore, this statement you make about "exposing Jesus Christ to sin" is redundant, because Christ has already become sin for us. 

C) You state that this desire to "keep the Sabbath and Holy Days" is the main thrust of holiness, physical acts of expressing what Jesus Christ calls the greatest commandment, to love the Lord. Here's the problem. When the focus becomes physical acts to show love to God, the actual spiritual acts that constitute daily life and living in the Spirit of God become secondary and less important. Historical and present truth shows this to be the case. The emphasis of Armstrongism must be spiritual first, not physical - whereas Armstrongism reverses this and makes it physical first, then spiritual. The heart might be in the right place, but the batteries have been put in backwards. 

D) It may be true that the Sabbath rest familiar to the COG's of one day off may constitute a blessing to many. Many Christians also enjoy the Rest of God by the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit all the time. I'm not blemishing your belief and your understanding of the seventh-day Sabbath. I am pointing out a difference of opinion that has happened since the conception of the Church, a difference starkly polarizing now as it once was between Jew and Gentile. As Paul said, it is a matter of preference. You are stating here, that the main people in the COG Sphere of Armstrongism have sided with the Jewish side of the argument, and have lost favor of the Gentile persuasion of the argument. You may have a solid point here, but it must be verified as to if the calling was actually from God, or if the "calling" was simply a siding of agreement with Paul, or agreement with the more Jewish-centered Christians in the whole argument of question. 

E) I'm not doubting there are true Christians in the COG's. Christians are people, not any corporate Church. God meets people where they are, and works with people personally. I don't believe I've ever stated I don't believe Christians are in Armstrongism. I do, however, fully believe Armstrongism as a whole is NOT Christian as a denomination or organization - though again, I believe there are Christians who go to ACOG Churches that do have the Holy Spirit. 
These called out ones understand when they read Paul who tells them to see their calling or make their calling and election sure. Unfortunately these same people equate their calling to the entity they were called to and can't see right now where the truth has been mangled and trampled.
Selective reading of Paul is pretty common in the COG's. It's looked through a filter, a lens, that is only read through the delivered message of Herbert Armstrong. The entire context of Paul's writings in the NT constitute a clear picture of what is required to make a calling and election sure. Armstrongism dilutes this message completely. 
Although these people are in a bubble it is still permeable to the appalling conduct of their leaders which is most unfortunate. Most of these people are not going to leave until something big happens. Hopefully that big thing is what they are waiting for - God in their very midst.
Here is the big dilemma. Where is God in the appalling (that's putting it mildly) conduct of their leaders? We even have illegitimate pastors out there who have not even been ordained trying to run a sect! Every type of atrocity is out there in Armstrong Churches of God way out in the open. When one focuses on Jesus, totally and with pure focus, then God will be within them and work through them and make change from the inside out.

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