The Problem With Faith:

"They brainwash their members into believing that it is their decision, even though they shame anyone for looking to the medical fraternity. “If you don’t have the faith to be healed, you won’t have the faith to flee, or the faith to be protected in the “Place the Safety” or the faith to be resurrected” and you are told this from the pulpit!"

“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”

Hebrews 11:1

Personally, and as you would already know from past postings, I have found this to mean "Now faith is made up of that which we hope is true, based on no evidence that it actually is true"   Some may find that too inaccurate, but the way people apply it speaks for itself. 

Outside of scripture, faith is defined as: 

"A confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea or thing, that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence" -Dictionary.com

"Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting solely and implicitly on his authority and veracity; reliance on testimony".  -Accurate and Reliable Dictionary

"A firm belief in something for which there is no truth." -Merriam Webster Online Dictionary

"Belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof."  -Encarta

The overly religious seem to believe that if one really really believes something that this qualifies for actually knowing it to be true. The believer asserts they are right simply because they believe they are right.  This, of course, is delusional thinking. 

This concept is best summed up by:

Step 1. Assume the Conclusion

Step 2. Assert your conviction

Repeat

On the other hand, knowing something is so can only be justified when it means it is demonstrable and measurable. Truth is simply whatever statement or belief can be shown to be actually true. Just having faith that something is true does not qualify nor can it be counted as knowledge based in fact . Unwavering faith that something is true is irrational and delusional by any definition. 

Scripture assures the believer that even if they have the faith of a mustard seed, one can command a mountain to cast itself into the sea.  Of course, this is nonsense and no one on earth has actually ever had this kind of faith or successfully pulled off this stunt.

 “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” ~Matthew 17:20-21

Luke evidently realized the insanity of such a statement on Matthew's part so adjusted the mountain to "mulberry bush" which seems more possible yet isn't either. 

"He replied, "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, 'Be uprooted and planted in the sea, and it will obey you. -Luke 17:6

"Every religion claims to believe as they do because of reason, education or intelligence given by their god in revelation. But whether they admit it or not, all of them are assuming their preferred conclusions on faith.... Believe as hard as you want to, but convincing yourself, however firmly, still can't change the reality of things.  Seeing is believing but seeing isn't knowing. Believing isn't knowing. Subjective convictions are meaningless in science and eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence."   Fundamental Falsehoods of Creationism, pg 123

Unfortunately, Tertullian of the Second Century CE set an unfortunate tone for those with the tendency towards a perverse and foolish kind of faith and many, especially in the more cultish COGs promote this foolishness to this day. 

"We want no curious disputation after possessing Christ Jesus, no inquiring after enjoying the gospel! With our faith, we desire no further belief."

"And the Son of God died; it is by all means to be believed because it is absurd. And he was buried and rose again; the fact is certain because it is impossible." 

"After Jesus Christ we have no need of speculation, after the Gospel no need of research. When we come to believe, we have no desire to believe anything else; for we begin by believing that is nothing else which we have to believe." 

If you can't prove something isn't true does that mean that it is?  If we "know in my heart it is so" or "trust and obey for there's no other way...", is that actually so?  Is it a wise way to live one's life? Or is it delusional thinking and belief with a religious twist?

 Growing up in the Dutch Reformed Church no one would ever have shunned medical attention or believed something in the kind of "faith" that may end in their loss of a job or their personal demise for not taking good medical care of themselves. No one got "anointed" with the understanding that, for sure, "the sick will be made well."  I suspect they have been over that delusional kind of faith hundreds is not a thousand years ago.

Back to the scriptures on what it means to have faith.

John 20:29   "Blessed are they that have not seen, but yet believe"

Romans 14:22 "The faith that you have, have as YOUR OWN conviction"

2 Corintians 4:18 "We look not at things seen, but at things not seen"

2 Corinthians 5"7 "For we walk by faith, not by sight."

"Faith is the very opposite of reason and where faith is encouraged, reason is discouraged. We are expected to believe without reason; in fact, we are blessed if we readily believe the most outrageous, illogical, inconsistent, and contradictory claims from even the most credulous and questionable people without any evidence at all, according to the sermons of theologians past and present. 

"... As you can see, where faith is encouraged, reason is discouraged. They're opposites.  This is not just my interpretation but the common understanding of scholars and philosophers. Friedrich Nietzsche said, 'Faith means not wanting to know what is true' Or to put it another way, as Mark Twain did, ' Faith is believing what you know ain't so.'"

"Faith requires that we literally make-believe, that we presume, presuppose, and pretend that we ignore what we really do see, and imagine something is there when it apparently isn't. It means that we lie to ourselves and fool ourselves. Worse than that, faith requires that we believe the unbelievable."  Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism pg 152-153

"In other words, faith assumes its own conclusions, believes impossible nonsense without reason and defends those beliefs against all reason to the contrary. It can't help but be wrong to some degree to start with, and any errors will never even be acknowledged, much less sought out or corrected, so that situation can never improve. However wrong it already is, is however wrong it will forever be. Faith offers no way to discover the real truth about anything, but it s a great way to stary wrong forever and never admit it-even to yourself."  pg 154

Why bring this up again on my part?  Because the kind of irresponsible "faith" the Churches of God promote is dangerous.  I spent 26 years observing this kind of "faith" in WCG and not a little bit of time endeavoring to put some balance into the lives of those who insisted they were going to just "trust and obey and obey for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey."  We even sang that in the Church of my youth and THAT bothered me too! The difference in the two experiences is that what one trusted in and obeyed were seen differently and applied accordingly. 

You don't have to die from Covid,  a treatable staph infection or any other medical emergency to prove your faith. You don't have to tough out gallstones or peritonitis to prove your spiritual worth.  You don't have to "send it all in" to prove your faith in a Dave Pack, who at this time is about as close to insanity as any COG ,"yep, that's me spoken of in the scriptures" cultish leader ever has come. You need not shun family or friends to show loyalty and faith in your delusional Church teachings. In many respects, it does not matter one bit what the Bible says, and one doesn't even have to struggle over what it means.  It is simply irrelevant to today and I know that is not how most devote and faith filled fundamentalists think and certainly not what they would believe to be so.  Nonetheless...

Thanks for listening and reading if so disposed. This foolish faith topic has always been an issue for me both in my own past as a pastor in WCG and to this day observing the foolish advice and behaviors of the near cultish Churches of God. 

I would prefer the average Church of God member learn to stand up to their intrusive ministry and remind them when it is time for them to mind their own business and that you can successfully watch out for your own soul, thank you...

  

Philadelphia Church of God: It’s a toxic and dangerous environment, especially for children

Exit and Support Network had a letter up about the abuse in the Philadelphia Church of God leveled against those who seek medical attention.

The church has always had a huge disconnect between the official teachings, the actions of the ministry, and the lay members. Lay members were told to not go to doctors over and over while those very same ministers and leaders were in doctor's offices regularly and had operations as needed. These higher-ups always got around the issue by claiming what they had done was "corrective surgery".

The Philadelphia Church of God ministry is deranged and dangerous. I’ve lost count of how many people I know who had their lives cut short, not seeking medical attention, including my own family. 

 

They’ve fasted recently1 because there are many sick members in that destructive group2 including top brass like Stephen Flurry3, Andrew Locher4, and the wives of some ministers. 

 

A very prominent regional director “counseled” a good friend of mine to get surgery and reassured her in confidence that there are many members who quietly get procedures done–including the ministry. 

 

The leading ministers know they’re a fraud and yet are willing to sacrifice the lives of their members–members who are taught they will be healed once they’re anointed by a PCG minister. I’ve heard so many times how you’re healed once you’re anointed – as long as you have faith. And this is despite any physical symptoms you continue to have! 

 

If you search their website for healed members, you will find very few articles, almost none. I personally know of one member who now relies on medication, yet that person’s article is still up there! This is very misleading and dangerous. They pretend that God heals them! The only time I’ve heard of someone being healed is just after a cold or virus runs its natural course! 

What follows next in this paragraph is appalling and obscene. No COG minister or leader has the capability to make such a statement. Such incompetent garbage! 

They brainwash their members into believing that it is their decision, even though they shame anyone for looking to the medical fraternity. “If you don’t have the faith to be healed, you won’t have the faith to flee, or the faith to be protected in the “Place the Safety” or the faith to be resurrected” and you are told this from the pulpit! 

 

That’s fine if it were true! When you leave the PCG, you begin to realize how sick that place is5 and how God was never there! It sickens me to think how I played Russian Roulette with my own life and the lives of my children! 

When you leave any COG you quickly realize how sick the organization was. That is every single one of them! There are no exceptions to this rule anymore. 

How can they make SEP compulsory for kids? No parent should ever waive legal right over to any COG at any summer camp! They need to be held legally accountable if the occasion arises.

I remember being warned about vaccinations and always felt guilty for seeking medical attention–even for my young kids! I even heard of a teenager who was told she was vain for getting braces!6
SEP is compulsory for teenagers and us parents are forced to waive all legal rights when sending our kids to camp7. This has left me feeling very uncomfortable as there are no legal recourse should my kids suffer neglect, including medical. 

 

It’s a toxic and dangerous environment, especially for children, leaving many traumatized by the physical, emotional and mental abuse! 

 

I’ve seen mothers spank their 6 month old babies8 because minister wives like Lynda Macdonald [wife of John Macdonald9] couldn’t handle their soft cooing noises during services.f 

 

The kids are hammered with apocalyptic visions if they don’t stay and don’t obey! Camp theme only a few years ago was literally “loyal and royal” meaning that if you are loyal to Gerald Flurry, God will give you a position in His Kingdom. PCG A TOXIC AND DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR CHILDREN

Guest Column: The Radicalization of Two Men

The Radicalization of Two Men

Over the months since my father’s death in December of last year, I’ve had an opportunity to reflect on what caused the alienation and hurts which characterized my relationship with him over the last couple of years of his life. For me, this has been an essential part of coming to terms with his passing and moving on with my own life, but it has also given me some insight into the larger forces that have been at work within my former religious community (Armstrongism) and the nation I call home (the United States of America).

Prior to his death, my father had threatened to cut off all ties with me because of my criticisms of his friend’s (Bill Watson’s) messaging. At the time of his death, my father (Wayne Hendrix) was barely speaking to me, and I found the thought of listening to Bill Watson preach his funeral so repulsive that I could not bring myself to attend that event!

What had caused such a horrendous state of affairs? What had provoked this alienation – this breach? As with most such circumstances, the road to that place was a long and winding one whose milestones only became apparent to me after I had reached my destination and had been given an opportunity to review the route which we all had traveled.

Like any event in the history of the wider world, the number of possible beginnings and milestones (turning points) can seem endless when we begin to examine the series of events which led to a particular event/circumstance. Even so, a careful review and consideration of those events can help us to identify many of the landmarks and occurrences which inexorably led to the outcome on which we are focused. This is the process that anyone must pursue in trying to understand/explain some circumstance of history, and it was the very one that I knew would help me to understand my own personal trainwreck.

In a sense, this series of unfortunate events began in the middle of the 1960’s with my father listening to Herbert and Garner Ted Armstrong on a Northeastern Ohio radio station. My dad, Wayne Hendrix, began life some twenty-odd years before that in Alabama, and his attitudes toward the U.S. and race reflected the baggage which that association entailed. In other words, as a young man, my father was already predisposed to accept Armstrong’s teachings about Anglo-Israelism.

In the context of his own background and experience, Anglo-Israelism seemed to perfectly explain America as he had experienced it. For him, the United States as Manasseh (and Britain as Ephraim) made sense of the early colonists being able to wrest this land away from the natives, enslave their African brethren, form a “Divinely-inspired” republic, and rise to the status of the preeminent nation on the face of the earth. Likewise, a few years later, a short distance away, another young man (Bill Watson) had also embraced Armstrong’s Anglo-Israelism and had embarked on his own personal journey which would intersect with my father’s story a decade later.

It must also be remembered that both men were living through some profound changes in the America which they had known as children. Throughout the 1960’s and 1970’s there were a number of prominent challenges to the power and position of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant men in American society. Among these challenges, the Civil Rights and Feminist Movements were probably the most important in terms of their perceived threat to the traditional order of things. For men like Bill and my father, these movements sought to undermine the God-ordained role of WASP men as the natural leaders of society (and it is essential to understand that they believed that God, through the Bible, had ordained the order that was being challenged and replaced).

In addition to these challenges, there were also a number of other forces at work that were rapidly changing the society which they cherished. I’m thinking about things like the globalization of the world’s economy, increased immigration from Latin America, and the environmental movement. For men like Bill and my dad, all of these developments threatened to take away the good paying jobs on which men like them had always depended to build their individual version of the “American Dream.” In short, to them, it seemed like everything that had contributed to America’s greatness was under attack and threatened!

Once again, although these feelings were certainly NOT confined to the followers of Herbert and Garner Ted, their teachings seemed to underscore the seriousness of the threat which these forces posed to their beloved America. Armstrongism taught that the end was near, and that the United States and other English-speaking nations of the world were in danger of God withdrawing their blessings and protections. Indeed, Armstrong and his followers believed that all of the “bad things” that were happening were the beginnings of God’s punishment of “Israel” for their abandonment of the order which he had ordained!

As a consequence, over the years that followed, it should have come as no great surprise that these developments would be increasingly regarded by them as evil and un-American. In hindsight, it also seems inevitable that this negative energy would come to be focused on a number of policies which resulted from these larger movements and forces. I am, of course, thinking about things like affirmative action, legalized abortion, initiatives to protect gay rights, trade agreements with other nations, and the unwillingness of the federal government to curb illegal immigration. Indeed, the policies themselves and their proponents came to be regarded as evil and further evidence of America’s decline. What’s more, the widely accepted liberal bias of the mainstream media eventually came to be regarded by them as a justification for dismissing any information which they provided as tainted and unreliable (which would eventually make them more susceptible to one Donald John Trump’s alternative facts).

Then, the unthinkable happened – America elected its first African American president in 2008! And, horror of horrors, he was re-elected in 2012! Of course, neither Bill nor my father would ever admit that their shock had anything to do with the color of his skin. On the contrary, they both channeled their anger and frustration at his liberal policies – those were the things that made him evil and un-American! Even so, the visceral reaction of both men to the Obama presidency pushed them even further in the direction of the extreme right of American politics. For them, there was now only one party that represented moral clarity and goodness, and it clearly wasn’t the Democratic Party!

During the Obama Administration, a development within CGI also served to further reinforce the rightward drift of both men. A black Canadian pastor named Adrian Davis gave his full-throated support to Bill’s and Wayne’s political messaging. As a consequence, both men felt emboldened and insulated against any charges of racism connected with their messaging. In short, the presence of a black man within the church who was proclaiming a message which was very similar to the one they were promulgating reassured them that they were on the right track.

In addition to the larger trends in American society and developments within CGI, my dad’s and bill’s trepidation over America’s direction was further heightened by my own decision to come out of the closet and reveal to everyone that I was/am gay. Moreover, my decision to pen a couple of articles on human sexuality for Dixon Cartwright’s The Journal only added to their consternation and dismay. As ministers of CGI, both men felt compelled to distance themselves from my views and to underscore their opposition to the gay “lifestyle” (even though it was widely known that I was completely celibate and living in a loving relationship with my former wife). In short, both men saw it as a moral imperative to underscore the wickedness of homosexuality so as not to be in anyway associated with (or tainted by) my “sin.”

Unfortunately, just a few years later, a demagogue of extraordinary brashness and cruelty appeared on the American political scene, and the stage was set for the final radicalization of these men. Donald Trump pushed all of the buttons that had been simmering and unspoken for the last fifty years! He unashamedly labeled Hilary, the Democrats, and the mainstream media as evil and vowed to completely overturn their corrupt policies and “make America great again.” This was music to the ears of Wayne and Bill, and a large number of their fellow disgruntled Americans. Moreover, Trump even promised to “build a wall” and stop the flow of illegal immigrants that were altering the very makeup of American society. Likewise, he promised to end what they perceived to be America’s greatest sin, legalized abortion. In similar fashion, Trump was openly hostile to LGBTQ rights and any effort to compromise with the forces of “secularization” in American society.

For my dad and Mr. Watson, God had sent them one last good King Josiah to reclaim America’s righteousness and halt her decline. Moreover, it appeared to make absolutely no difference to them that Trump was a known womanizer, adulterer, and proponent of questionable business practices. After all, wasn’t that what red-blooded men did? Hadn’t Mr. Armstrong himself been married twice and divorced once? Hadn’t Garner Ted been caught red-handed propositioning a female masseuse? Wasn’t my own father on wife number three?

What’s more, by this time, God’s political will was so clear to both of them that the notion of incorporating their political thinking into their spiritual messaging seemed completely natural and logical to them. In short, they had both become so completely partisan and radicalized that the incongruity of their position was completely lost on them.

Indeed, they had both become so laser focused on this brand of messaging, and so isolated from the society around them, that they were both shocked when I had the nerve to challenge their political messaging. How dare I challenge God’s messaging? Indeed, my challenges only served to enrage them and make them more determined than ever to promote their political views (or what they now regarded as God’s political views). I was unwelcome NOISE that was to be ignored and shunned. To them, I was defending the forces of evil – I had fallen captive to Satan and his minions! And hadn’t Christ himself said that a person must be willing to give up family and friends to serve him?

Moreover, like many of their fellow Trumpists, Wayne and Bill reinforced these impulses in each other. They reasoned that the fact that they had both reached the same conclusions about all things political was evidence enough that they were right – that God’s Holy Spirit had led them to this place! Indeed, the thought that they had somehow gotten off track or that their judgment in these matters might be clouded was completely foreign to them. Nevertheless, the forces that led to the radicalization of these men, and the circumstances surrounding my father’s death, are clearly traceable to their life experiences, friendship, and relationships with other like-minded individuals.

It is equally clear, however, that their extreme thinking did NOT originate in the mind of God – that it was NOT a product of the inspiration of God’s Holy Spirit! The United States and other English-speaking peoples of the earth are NOT Israel, and God is NOT a god of extremes! And, finally, the God of the Judeo-Christian Scriptures promised to supplant all of the political systems of this present world (including those of the United States and Great Britain).

It is my hope that this analysis of the radicalization of these two men will strike a chord in others who have experienced time in an ACOG in recent years. In short, I don’t believe that the story of these two men is unique within this culture. Indeed, I believe that many ACOG ministers and lay members have traveled the same path to political extremism (which accounts for the continuing popularity and acceptance of this kind of messaging within that culture). What do you think?

 

Lonnie Hendrix

 

Dave Pack Continues To Troll His Members After Tammuz 15 Has Come And Gone With New Dates

Has Dave Pack been deliberately trolling his members and us all along? Never have we seen such a prophet with such an abysmal failure rate as we see in Dave today, well, maybe except for Bob Thiel, but that's another story.

Tammuz 15 has come and gone and like clockwork Dave told his faithful on Saturday there is a new date and time because everything is right on track!

Marc Cebrian posted this:

Dave set two dates during his landmark (heh heh) message yesterday.

Av 1 is The Day of the Lord, which begins after sunset on July 28, 2022. However, 10 days before that in Jerusalem is midday tomorrow.

Sunset tomorrow in Jerusalem is 7:45pm. Jerusalem is +7 hours ahead of Eastern Time, which means 12:45pm in Wadsworth on Monday, July 18th.

Set your phone alarm now to give you a 10-minute warning before nothing is going to happen.

Mark continues with this: 

With the Tammuz Cooking Table back on display, Dave was able to hold a straight face for 78-minutes explaining how correct he was even though Tammuz 15 (last Wednesday night) came and went without so much as his car alarm going off. 

 

@ 00:18 You have the picture. But, a short message and one that is truly eye opening is necessary. I spoke to all the ministers about what we’ll cover tonight and they know that we’re still right on time. I understand it’s the evening of July 16th and I still believe that the Day of the Lord is the night of July 28th.

Oh, come on. “Right on time” would have been last Wednesday night. Or July 3rd. Or Pentecost. Or May 30th. Or May 15th. Or the Days of Passover. Or any other time since Elul of 2013.

@ 01:55 I still believe all those things. Nothing’s changed. In fact, I have even a little bit of additional proof, fascinating things that we’ll cover real quickly that solidify that. Think of more proof of when everything starts.

You mean “more proof” supporting the stuff that already failed? 

 

At that exact moment, no one in the audience rose from their chair and walked out. 

 

My sympathy for those who choose to remain inside RCG is beginning to wane. Some are legitimately “trapped” there, but most are not. Everyone “gets what they deserve” until they leave. That certainly applies to me. I got what I deserved until March of 2021. Here we are in July of 2022 and the crazy train is still rolling on down the track with no sign or hint from David C. Pack that he will ever slow down on this or repent.

@ 09:34 I wanna illustrate some fascinating things and I’m gonna tell you why I still believe that Jesus Christ may just be, in essence, hours away. Not exactly hours, I’ll come and clarify that. But you can’t change, brethren, you cannot change you cannot change July 28th. The night of July 28th [Jerusalem time] which would be midday on Wednesday in about eleven and a half days from now. 

 

This was the Av 1 and then July 18th dates mentioned earlier.

@ 16:17 Now we’re gonna go over and look at an almost unbelievable mistranslation [in Ezekiel 7]…you’re almost not gonna believe the translators could’ve been so terribly wrong and how it affected my ability to figure out how the Day of the Lord comes. 

 

@ 20:37 For the longest time, I could not figure it out. And it has to do with a spectacular mistranslation. And it it also is gonna bleed in to helping you understand why we’re still right on track. 

 

This is standard procedure for Dave. Blame the translators and then cherry-pick a meaning that fits his new angle. He buys himself more time and then moves on. 

 

Morning does not mean “morning,” it means “crown” which is actually the Father. 

 

Look up Isaiah 28:5, Ezekiel 7:7 and 7:10. That is part of the big news of this message.
In order for this new fraud to work, Dave has to use a previous fraudulent teaching that the Lord of Hosts is the Father and NOT the Being which became Jesus Christ. That is the only way he can get this new theory to work.

There is a whole lot more posted on Marc's blog. Check it out here: David C. Pack Goes Trolling

Worldwide the Unchosen will feature Former COG Member Actress LaNisa Frederick

 

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 We have only four episodes left and you're due a little laughter with @lanisafrederick! LaNisa is a comedic actress with credits in The Goldbergs, Brooklyn Nine-Nine and The Young Sheldon. She is also working on developing a single-cam television comedy called Church Candy based on her experiences growing up in the WCG! She'll discuss what it was like to have one parent in the church and one outside of it and why #cults are not just a white people thing! Episode premieres on Wednesday! Photo credit: @kimnewmoney

Decades ago the church used to teach that when people left the church they would never be successful because God was no longer going to bless them. The endless stream of myths we were constantly accosted with is appalling in their sheer stupidity. It's great to see another success story from my old church area, Cincinnati, Ohio.

Originally from Cincinnati, Ohio, LaNisa Renee Frederick honed her craft in Chicago, working and training as an improv and sketch artist at Second City Chicago; and performing at the Tony Award-winning Victory Gardens Theatre, Goodman Theatre, and Steppenwolf. She is the co-creator of Hashtag Booked whose viral sketches have received acclaim from outlets including Forbes, Playbill, and Essence Magazine. A prolific voiceover artist, LaNisa has voiced video games, including and most notably "Syd" the first black woman to be a major playable character in Call of Duty. She is a recurring VO artist with several animations on outlets such as Dreamworks and Nickelodeon. She is a graduate of Loyola University Chicago and the University of Essex (England). And has also studied with Amy Morton and K. Todd Freeman at The School of Steppenwolf co-created by Jeff Perry.