Monday, September 26, 2022
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Dave Pack: "The sterling reputation of David C. Pack and the The Restored Church of God hinges on the events of Trumpets this year being accurate."
Dave Pack pulling failed prophecies out of his hat
week after week
David C. Pack Mocks Himself
The powers that be at Headquarters in The Restored Church of God must have recited my article from yesterday because David C. Pack took the stage after dinner to power-sit, “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 394).”
When I wrote, “If only there were time left in the current world for Part 394,” I was being sarcastic, fellas. Man, I need to be more cautious because they might be paying attention to what is posted here.
The Feast of Trumpets began in Jerusalem at 6:32pm, which translates to 11:32am Wadsworth time which translates to David C. Pack having a Super-Duper-Long-Day-of-Failure starting before this article is posted and lasting until 7:16pm Monday night.
By the time you read this, David C. Pack has already begun failing. Consider that before you stuff your green envelope tomorrow.
For those just tuning in, Dave has been blowing hot air for months about a Kingdom of God preceding the Feast of Trumpets. It was not quite 50 days. Then, a retroactive 45 days. Then, 30 days. 10 days. 9 days. (Have you spotted the trend yet?) 8 days. 7 days. 6 days. 3.5-ish days. – Then it all "became clear" that this "one month" is like Joshua's Long Day and happens ON Trumpets instead of before it.
I glossed over this part of the Friday night Pathetic Update in Member Services. Since Dave is making it a Thing now, it is worth sharing.
“The day—that day—the evil day—last day—great day—the day of trouble—day of rebuke—day of wrath—day of vengeance—day of visitation—day of Christ—day of the Lord—the end—the end of all things—the end of the world—the time—the year of visitation—the year of My redeemed—the year of recompenses—the acceptable year—are all different terms for one astonishing, very long day that is broken into what looks like separate days, but is not! Everything has to occur in one month.”
Dave uses the Bible like Felix the Cat’s Bag of Tricks. He reached in, pulled out Joshua and Zechariah, then origamied them into an entire month of events compressed into a single day: The Feast of Trumpets, which has already begun in Jerusalem.
Yeppers. All that business started a few hours ago.
Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time. But in the wacky world of David C. Pack, the Bible is an all-you-can-eat buffet of possibilities. And all the “ministers” at Headquarters agree? No way, José.
Spoiler Alert: David C. Pack schools himself and admits some of his
own teachings “never made sense” and were “ridiculous.”
The sterling reputation of David C. Pack and the entire organization known as The Restored Church of God hinges on the events of Trumpets this year being accurate. Would God let Dave fail so spectacularly and publicly if he were a true apostle?
@ 00:06 We’re now in the shadow, literally, of the Feast of Trumpets.
@ 00:19 So, lemme use this term. “Time has grown serious.” It’s become now or wait a year. And I don’t believe for two seconds we’re gonna wait a year.
That is a significant update from seven days ago.
Part 393 – September 17
@ 35:47 If we got to Monday morning [September 19], we’re waiting another year
Sound effects have been added to enhance your Dave Pack learning experience.
And this is the guy that Brad, Ed, Jaco, Ryan, Ken, Tim, Carl, Andrew, Jim, Salasi, Frank, Mike, and Raymond want you to worship follow? Pulease.
@ 00:54 But eventually, there would come a message that would be right in the face of the arrival of God, right before this man sounds. There would be a ration, and the charge would be finished.
He is a super-fan of my website and keeps it flush with new content. I do appreciate the support, Dave.
@ 06:49 I could easily tonight go three or four hours on all I've learned since last Sabbath.
The silent, internal screams of “No!” from the entire Headquarters congregation shook my windows a mile away. Only Stepford Prime was disappointed that Dave did not go through with it.
@ 06:54 We had a riveting discussion on Thursday. Learning a mile a minute as we’re coming into Trumpets about how God never intended 10 days, or 7 days, or 3.5 days, or any days precede the Feast of Trumpets.He’s going to do everything in that one day of so many names.
David C. Pack does not consider the implications of his words. He condemns himself, and he condemns the enablers at Headquarters without intending to.
So, God “never intended” that you teach what you have for months? Hmmm. Interesting.
Why did you do it, then? What spirit was driving you if it was not God? What put those ideas in your head and made the teaching FEEL like it was from God? What other things are you teaching that you FEEL are from God but are not? How often can you be so utterly wrong about God's plan, admit that to the church, but still believe God is guiding you?
It was not all clear before Part 394, but now it is? Pulease.
David C. Pack, when will you begin to question whether or not you serve the true God at all? I do not think you can. I think that is impossible for you. You have crossed the event horizon and can never return to being a true minister of Jesus Christ.
To the “ministers” at Headquarters:
Your Pastor General just admitted (again) that he was teaching what God “never intended.”
Brad, Ed, Jaco, Ryan, Ken, Tim, Carl, Andrew, Jim, Salasi, Frank, Mike, and Raymond…You all agreed with concepts that God never intended. Perhaps you are all not as close to God as you believe.
This is a logic puzzle you cannot crack.
Dave taught X. You all agreed with X. Dave declared X is not of God. Since Dave taught X, he was not led by God. You agreed with X, which means you were also not led by God.
Get out of that one. I dare you.
If God does not lead The Restored Church of God, who or what does?
David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not.
@ 07:19 And I could wear you out for hours proving that.
This is like that kid who has a secret girlfriend in Canada. You have never seen her or spoken to her. The kid has “too many pictures” of her to pick just one and show you to prove it. You just have to believe him.
Dave has a secret girlfriend in Canada. Her name is IcanproveitifIhadmoretime. And she is a hottie.
@ 07:23 “Well, how come you didn’t see it before?” Well, how come nobody who’s ever lived ever saw it before? If it's all in one day, it would explain how everything God does takes seven years.
What an insecure little man. So defensive with theoretical opponents. It is too bad he does not consider why he does see things “God never intended.” Only then could he comprehend that he is his own worst opponent.
@ 12:58 Is this the last day of my voice when I am about to sound the trumpet because we’re in the shadow of Trumpets? It’s now or never. Time is serious.
If only it were the last day of your voice, Dave. Amen. Let it be as you have said.
He could have added, “And I’m totally cereal,” to convey real emphasis.
“Now or never” flies against the concept of “we go another year.” At this point, I am not sure if even Dave knows what he believes. To be fair, that was twelve minutes ago, and as Dr. Feelbad teaches, we must let the past go because remembering the past will confuse us.
According to Andrew, this is a dynamic process. Prophecy is not easy. Twelve minutes is an eternity in the evolution of biblical knowledge. Just go with it.
@ 17:24 So, we never knew that Christ Himself to open [Revelation] Chapter 10, Who’s called a Mighty Angel is Jesus Christ. We thought it was maybe Michael or Gabriel or somebody. Even though he described him in the absolute glory of the Jesus Christ of Chapter 1. We just never saw those things right there in plain sight. Thundering at us. Screaming at us.
The next time you hear an enabler from Headquarters tell the brethren, “no doctrines have changed” inside RCG, keep that note in your margin. One of the reasons I left was because of the radical changes to where the Father and Jesus Christ were in the Bible.
If David C. Pack told Herbert W. Armstrong that the Mighty Angel in Revelation 10 was Jesus Christ but starting in verse 7, it was Dave himself…he would have been disfellowshipped and marked on the spot.
But today, he is a visionary led by God with nobody on the face of the earth to tell him otherwise.
Fret not. God will work it out.
@ 17:57 But it’s impossible to believe that he [Elijah] doesn’t sound on Trumpets. So, is it a coincidence we’re learning this right now? A coincidence we’re learning right now that this man sounds on Trumpets? And we’re in the shadow of Trumpets.
Speaking of coincidences.
Part 239 – March 18, 2020
@ 1:04:40 It’s perfect. Now we’re gonna start to pile up an extraordinary number of coincidences here… if you have any Spirit of God in you…I believe I have a lot of it. You just hafta look out and know there’s not 50 more sermons left. Never mind 150 for three more years of Mystery of God. However wrong I might have been that there were 40 more from 199 to 239, they’re not 150 more…
To put that in perspective: 239 + 150 is 389. We are now at Part 394. So much for Dave knowing what the heckfire he is talking about.
If we go further in the Wayback Machine, Sherman can listen to this one again:
Part 206 – September 30, 2019
@ 2:08:44 What do you know? It’s a coincidence Mr. Pack is finishing his series on the Feast of Trumpets.What do you know? That God didn’t have that in mind because I’m telling you, I’ve said it before…we’re done! I will not come back. I had to ‘bout put a gun to my own head to come up here.
Coincidences are not proofs.
@ 21:06 Those clouds [Zephaniah 1:15] arrive at noon. High noon. On the exact middle of the day on Trumpets. Exactly. Dead smack when there's no shadow. It says in the middle of noon, and then noon means the dead middle of the day. So, there's no doubt that's when the flight is. That's when people are taken out of Jerusalem, and they go to the Place of Safety.
Noontime in Jerusalem tomorrow is 12:30pm. That will be at 5:30am tomorrow morning in Wadsworth. If you can sip your coffee in the United States and Canada on Monday, then David C. Pack has failed again. Consider that before you stuff your green envelope.
Here is another teaching that pulled me out the door of The Restored Church of God.
@ 27:53 …one of the great reasons for this seven-year series is we had to separate God and Christ all through the Bible. So, just in case, you know, we’ve had some scoffers leave the church, "Oh, he's putting Jesus down." Well, I'm gonna prove to you that Paul knew that the Lord who descended and shouted and blew a trumpet was God Almighty.
The Prime RCG Nemesis (aka the dictionary) had this to say:
scoff
verb
1. speak to someone or about something in a scornfully derisive or mocking way
noun
1. an expression of scornful derision
David C. Pack dismantled what HWA taught and what he promised to continue to teach when he founded RCG, and then scrambled where the Father and Jesus Christ are identified in the Bible. But if people take issue with that, they are just being “scoffers.”
That is false and dismissive. Dave and the Headquarters “ministers” are totally fine with this. Consider that before you stuff your green envelope tomorrow.
Psalm 47 is the ace up his sleeve.
@ 28:40 Ready? “God is gone up with a shout. The LORD with a sound of a trumpet.” The trump of God. God! So, was the LORD Who shouted and blew a trumpet, Jesus Christ? Or was it God? But nobody ever saw it. Hiding in plain sight.
David C. Pack teaches that Jesus Christ is not God. That is "another Jesus," and I had to leave. Why more do not flee each time he teaches these types of things is a big question. He is no longer meddling with just prophecy; he is meddling with Who God is.
The First Commandment is first for a reason. No wonder Dave will NEVER be right. He does not even know that Jesus Christ is God and He is one with the Father. Putting a razor blade between them is foolish. But he keeps doing it.
David C. Pack “presumed” and “thought” and taught what God “never intended,” but is a trusted source for where the Father and Jesus Christ are in the Bible? No, thank you. If the man cannot be faithful with the little things, he cannot be faithful with the biggest things.
@ 31:29 The learning process has not stopped. My task is to end the Mystery of God. To make matters plain. To prepare the way before God comes in an imminent way. Right in the face of God. And when I've done that, I've finished a charge. And apparently, it ends with a final ration, and this is the fifth final ration.
@ 32:34 So, is it coincidence we’re connecting just these dots that I covered already only hours before Trumpets arrives in Jerusalem?
In an astounding display of cognitive dissonance, Dave gets to the topic of the 1335 and proceeds to school himself.
He attacks his very own previous teachings as if they originated with the Catholics or the Splinters. I wonder if anyone in the Main Hall turned to their spouse and asked, “Why is he so mad? Isn’t he the one who taught us this?”
He says his own teaching “never made sense” and then throws in an "on God's authority" for good measure because the days of "let your yes be yes, and your no be no" are long over.
@ 37:20 So, you have to accept that we are piercing and waiting to the 1335, which, on God's authority, has to be Trumpets because nothing can happen before Trumpets.
@ 38:27 …nothing can happen until 11:33 tomorrow morning. And I think there’s zero chance anything will happen at that time.
We shared a rare moment of agreement. Dave was finally right about something, though. Nothing happened at 11:33am this morning. Gold star for you, buddy.
@ 39:15 So, you’re blessed when you get to a day. At 11:33 tomorrow, you’ve made it. That doesn’t mean you receive eternal life. But you’re not gonna wait 15 days to find out, “Oh, I guess we were blessed back there a couple weeks ago.” That was always ridiculous. I didn’t know how to resolve it with the days problem that we had to have.
We agree again. It was "always" ridiculous, like it was in 2021 when I resigned "in the midst of the 1335."
The man is cracking. He is attacking his own teaching. Again. But if any brethren inside The Restored Church of God called that teaching “ridiculous” a week ago, they would have been suspended. Consider that before you stuff your green envelope tomorrow.
David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not.
The rest of Part 394 is white noise. You get the picture. Dave is counting on the next 24 hours to be IT. In reality, nothing will happen in Jerusalem, and nothing will happen in Wadsworth.
Dave will fail because that is the only possible outcome for all of his prophetic teachings. Ever.
What is also certain is that all the weak, broken enablers at The Restored Church of God will give Dave "a pass" on this most-recent fraud and lap up his excuses like a thirsty mutt. Spineless hirelings care not for the sheep.
Brad, Ed, Jaco, Ryan, Ken, Tim, Carl, Andrew, Jim, Salasi, Frank, Mike, and Raymond will not lift a finger nor utter a peep. They could choose to take action but will not.
Dear Brethren of The Restored Church of God,
If you listen to the Offertory music during the AM Service tomorrow, then David C. Pack has failed again. Before you sign your check and close your green envelope, consider that.
Consider this is how they see you.
Also, consider where your desperately needed funds might go under the guise of “doing The Work.”
Let your dollar amount directly indicate your confidence level in the RCG “leadership.”
Old Covenant Rituals Lead COG Groups Into Using 7 Different Calendars For Determining Feast Dates
For decades the Worldwide Church of God used a set calendar to determine the "official" start of the Old Covenant Holy Days the church kept. Other than the change of Pentecost, those dates stayed pretty much the same. Little did we know that simmering under the surface were little sub-group trying to get their calendar methods pushed to the forefront. It wasn't until the old Worldwide Church of God imploded in the most horrendous fashion did these groups emerge to the forefront feeling free to spread their message.
This year the various Churches of God offshoots are using 7 different calendaring methods to determine the date the Feast of Tabernacle should start. Seven different groups doing what they think is right in their own eyes, setting themselves apart from all the rest. This just goes to show that the church, even during its "glory days" was never really unified and today it is manifested as an open reality.
Here are the various calendars that the Churches of God are using (COG News is the source)
1) Jewish Calendar Principle followers: The Church of God 7th Day (HQ in Denver) and the Church of God 7th Day (Jerusalem) utilize the Jewish Calendar for the timing of the Lord’s Supper, which they observe on the evening of the 14th of Abib (Nisan). The Jerusalem church group does not acknowledge any other annual observances, but the Denver church allows its congregations and individual members to observe them if they so wish.
2) Hebrew Calendar Principle followers - most COG groups. Same as Jewish calendar EXCEPT for the following:
• The Biblical year begins on the 1st of Nisan (Exodus 12:2 and Deuteronomy 16:1).In order to reconcile using a calendar that calculates the holy days from the 1st day of the 7th month, the WCG wrongly taught that the Jews observe the 1st of Nisan as the beginning of the religious year and the 1st of the 7th month as the beginning of the civil year.In the Jewish Calendar, Rosh Hashanah is the 1st day of both the civil year and religious year and is a major holy day. Rosh Chodesh Nisan is merely one of the other 11 ‘new moons’.• Passover/Lord’s Supper should be observed on the 14th, not the 15th.• Pentecost/Shavuot is not on the 6th of Sivan, but rather 50 days from the Sunday within the festival, counting inclusively, (i.e. that Sunday is day 1 of the count, so the count is completed on a Sunday.)
Notice this telling comment from Herbert Armstrong on why he thought he could bind and loose things here on earth would be bound or loosed in heaven.
In an interview with WCG minister Jeff Booth in 1980, Herbert Armstrong declared that:“The title, and the keys, passed from chief apostle to chief apostle, from Peter to Peter. Each chief apostle was the new Peter. ‘Now I am the chief apostle, and I am the Peter’.”“Whatever I bind is bound in heaven, and whatever I loose is loosed in heaven.”“The Day of Pentecost is now on Sunday. But, since I had made the decision to observe Pentecost on Monday, for years the Day of Pentecost was actually on Monday.”
3) Day of the astronomical new moon [1st of April 2022], nearest to the vernal equinox [20th of March in 2022]
4) Day of the appearance of the crescent new moon [3rd of April 2022] – visible in the brief period between sunset and moonset – nearest to the Vernal Equinox [20th of March in 2022]. COG 7th Day Salem
5) Day of the astronomical new moon [1st of April 2022], following the vernal equinox [20th of March in 2022].
6) Day of the appearance of the crescent new moon [3rd of April 2022] – visible in the brief period between sunset and moonset – following the vernal equinox [20th of March in 2022].
7) Day of the appearance of the crescent new moon – visible in the brief period between sunset and moonset – in the month that the barley in Israel will be ready for harvesting by the Sunday after Passover (Leviticus 23:10-12). This date will likely be the 3rd of April in 2022.
The dates in 2022 for the seven main ‘Biblical’ calendars observed by the 7th Day Churches of God (within which there are a few variations) are shown in the table below. The dates for the 3 annual festivals (Exodus 23:14-16) are printed in green, and the 7 annual holy days are in red.
You can see here the list of Feast sites and which calendar they use to count with here: Festival of Tabernacles 2022 (the more restrictive groups like Living Church of God, Philadelphia Church of God, and Restored Church of God are not listed on the above Feast site list.)
It should be noted that the above chart lists a lot of Messianic groups that COG members are in and they tend to be using calendar methods 3 -7.
It is no wonder in 2022 that the Churches of God will never be united as one when they cannot even agree on which Old Covenant rules they deem necessary.
Finding simplicity in Christ and enjoying the New Covenant is not much of a priority for most COG's. Rules are more important.
Saturday, September 24, 2022
RCG: Andrew Holcombe - Enabler-in-Chief (Part 6) “Meat Shield”
Enabler-in-Chief (Part 6) “Meat Shield”
An unusual introduction by Andrew J. Holcombe was added to "The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 393)," which was recorded on the Sabbath of September 17, 2022. His brief comments were spliced into David C. Pack’s “just in case” babble.
Everyone inside The Restored Church of God watched one of Dave’s “young and inexperienced” assistants herald the coming of God’s Apostle. This strange occurrence is worth examining more closely.
In a previous article, these comments from Part 393 gave me a double-take.
David C. Pack
@ 03:37 I appreciate very much Mr. Holcombe giving some introductory comments. Sometimes it’s helpful to hear from the men on my team.
Andrew J. Holcombe
@ 00:10 Wanted to Mr. Pack wanted me to stand up and give a few comments here, brethren.
So, Dave “appreciated” Andrew obeying him. I laugh when I think if Andrew had said, “No, Mr. Pack. I don’t feel comfortable with that.” The Coffee Kid was probably sweating a little because it would have meant his head was on the block next. Brad was warming up in the bullpen in case of emergency.
Since Andrew was supposed to give a sermon anyhow, he was the logical choice. No matter that it blew up his mental focus for his own introduction, he now had to carry Dave over his shoulders up to the lectern. Andrew is a strong guy and could physically do that, by the way.
During this bizarre message, another enabler at the Headquarters of The Restored Church of God was ordained. No longer just a Pepper Boy, Andrew J. Holcombe became the Meat Shield.
This is an article I have been reluctant to write. In fact, I have been putting it off while I ponder the implications. I have a personal connection to Andrew J. Holcombe and his wonderful wife. Before I dissect his words and give an analysis, I want everybody to understand it is not something I relish.
When Andrew first came to Headquarters as a young architect, he began working in the Media Production Services department while we were still on the bottom floor of the Hall of Administration. A bright young man, eager to smile, and an all-around team player.
I was "Uncle Marc," and he was "Cousin Andy." I did not realize until long afterward that he hated being called Andy. I will not call him that in this article.
He needed a new place to stay due to a plumbing issue and lived with me for about 3 months. During that time, I got to know him better. He is a decent guy. Genuine. Kind. Thoughtful. Sincere. Serving. Easy to get along with and easy to like.
I was thrilled when he and his future wife started to court because I was also a big fan of her. While watching them from across the room through my camera lens at the Feast of Tabernacles in Florida in 2013, I saw the sparks those kids had. It felt good to see love blossom.
This is Andrew and me at that Feast in 2013 when we both had more hair.
After I left in March of 2021, I had almost no contact with anyone inside RCG. During the funeral for Kory North that winter, Mrs. Holcombe was one of the people who saw me and hugged me immediately.
She is a rock star at RCG. She is sharp, dependable, eager to laugh, kind, and GOOD at what she does. When she has a project, you can rest assured it will be done on time and correctly. I would watch her in meetings at a table full of men, speaking up and giving sound advice. I was continually impressed by her great ideas. Some others in that room…not so much. She outshined certain "ministers," and I took note of that. It was always a pleasure to work with her.
I also have a connection with her dad, Andrew's father-in-law. A large man with a large heart, super friendly. I adore her dad. He and I had a few deep discussions, and I appreciated his generosity. Her mom is a sweetheart, also. Good people. These are all good people.
I have a personal history with Andrew. To not “call it as I see it" and acknowledge the horrific enabling Andrew has done felt like I would be "giving him a pass" unfairly. If Brad and Ed deserve some heat, Andrew does as well.
My analysis of RCG is personally driven, but I cannot let personal relationships interfere with the facts.
Andrew was a great guy when I knew him, but his proximity to David C. Pack has blinded him to reality. He is a fellow architect in biblical fraud alongside James E. Habboush, aka The Coffee Kid. Those two "young and inexperienced ministers" help Dave propagate prophetic falsehood and are instrumental in keeping RCG on the edge of Christ’s return in perpetuity.
The painful fact is that Andrew J. Holcombe is on Team Enablers at Headquarters and agreed to stand before everyone in The Restored Church of God to be a Meat Shield because Dave was tired of facing defeat alone.
This whole thing makes me sad. I hope Andrew, his wife, and his parents-in-law flee from RCG.
When I first began these articles, all quotes were verbatim. The stuttering was preserved to illustrate the scattered, disjointed thinking. As this evolved, the misspeaks were cleaned up to make the content more understandable.
But in the case of Andrew here, the stammering and poor grammar is essential because it solidifies that he comes across as nervous and reluctant. I suspect this was thrown into his lap at the last minute during the song before walking up to the lectern. That is the RCG way.
Andrew is otherwise a polished public speaker. He was a natural in Spokesman’s Club and increased his skills over the years as a “minister.”
Watching this painful 3 ½ minutes reveals how incredibly uncomfortable the guy is.
Hear his voice and see his body language during this 3:36 excerpt. Tell me if you think that is a man who wanted to be put in that position.
Some inside baseball: When a "minister" is nervous, they often say "brethren." Dr. Feelbad has a terrible habit of this. Andrew did this nine times within three-ish minutes.
Perhaps he was afraid of disappointing "Mr. Pack," which would lead to receiving wrath later.
@ 00:44 …he'll conclude the mess or conclude the service for about 20 to 25 minutes.
An accidental slip of honesty. Dave did not “conclude the mess” as we had all hoped.
@ 00:59 Because brethren, we've wrestled with a lot of things. We've wrestled with many different aspects of prophecy. But frankly, very little, if you think about it in the grand scheme of things, we've wrestled with very little in prophecy.
A patently false statement. Andrew and Dave have struggled with MUCH in prophecy. The three shepherds. The 1335. That Prophet. Elijah. The Man of Sin. How many Kingdoms of God there are. How long the Kingdoms are. Jesus Christ or the Father comes first. The Father judges us. Which Holy Day kicks all this off. When is salvation. The list goes on and on and on…far past “very little.”
Shame on you for saying that, Andrew. Shame on you.
At first, you speak the truth but wrap it up with an untruth.
Relisten to the “presumption confessional circus” in Part 392 and see if you agree with Andrew.
This is RCG spin and gaslighting and everything wrong with the enablers at Headquarters. They tell you something so far from the truth that you are almost beside yourself to hear it.
Would a “minister” knowingly lie to the members of The Restored Church of God? The greatest questions. Plain answers.
@ 01:15 A lot has been cemented and is and is correct that we have proven over the course of these these seven years almost coming up on almost seven years of the series in prophecy.
@ 01:27 But we've wrestled with little bits and pieces. How do certain verses fit, and how do we understand exactly certain bits of timing?
@ 01:35 So brethren, you'll find today Mr. Pack will explain in much more great detail. I'm just setting it up a little bit, much more great detail, much greater detail, that a lot of the "what" is exactly correct. We're just focused a little bit on timing.
Not “exactly correct” seven days later.
Timing is such a niggly little detail in prophecy. Only the passing of time makes the truth evident, Andrew. Without that, nothing is “cemented” or can be trusted as “correct” considering the track record of your boss. Spoiler alert: That track record ain’t good.
@ 02:16 And truly we can appreciate and understand the complexity, the difficulty that these verses have have given us, frankly, brethren think about it. These same verses have eluded all a lot of God's people for 2000 years. It's they've they've been hidden a lot of what we're going what Mr. Pack is going to explain has been hidden and is finally coming clear.
Today is Elul 28, and the Feast of Trumpets begins in less than two days. That puts a big fat DOOH on anything you said last week about “coming clear.”
@ 02:44 So, brethren, we just wanted to say, don't give up. A lot has been resolved, and there is no reason to believe we're going another year.
Repeating this for nine years kind of makes the point lose its punch. Being wrong for nine years also does not build confidence in the source of information.
@ 03:00 …as I'm speaking, I believe he'll be going upstairs with Mr. Habboush, and I won't be there typing…he'll be preparing this message for what would truly be rushing to call out this final this final message to you and then to those brethren.
I have watched David C. Pack sneak out the back door of the Main Hall to skip Sabbath and Holy Day Services. God’s Apostle literally “forsakes the assembling of ourselves together so much more as we see the day approaching.” He avoids a “commanded assembly” so often that they are not ashamed to announce this to the whole church.
The folks at Headquarters know this is true. If you think I am exaggerating, just ask them about it.
Andrew, how many Sabbath Services have you had to "cut short" because Dave wanted to talk, study, or whatever? I noticed that you and Jim would take turns with that. Brad would many times get roped in.
Where in the Bible are apostles exempt from obeying a command of God? Since when is it acceptable for a “minister of Jesus Christ” to skip a holy convocation? Yet, that is common practice at Headquarters. Believe it.
David C. Pack tells God, "I know this is Your holy time, but my time is more valuable than anyone else because I have to prepare my message since time management is not a personal strength."
He does not care about Sabbath Services unless he is the one talking. I have watched him read the newspaper during Services. I have watched him have a whispering meeting at the back of the hall during Services. He pulls men into the kitchen with him during Services.
One time he commented on hearing the special music “from inside the kitchen” that we had to cut out back when RCG cared about those types of things.
Sabbath Services are only for the little people in RCG. Giving your Holy Day offerings via your wife is acceptable if you are Elijah. Literally coming before God empty-handed, and that is no biggie.
They are so unashamed of that type of conduct that Andrew felt perfectly fine announcing that the Pastor General of The Restored Church of God would willfully leave Services. It must not be as "commanded" or "holy" as those same men like to preach from the lectern.
“You cannot keep the Sabbath at home; you can only break the Sabbath at home.”
When I realized that the rules do not apply to everyone at Headquarters, it further soured my opinion of what was and is still happening inside RCG. Even if this was "acceptable" during the Worldwide Church of God years, Dave takes that to a new level. He has the license to do whatever whenever he wants.
A command of God will not inconvenience him.
@ 03:25 Look forward to this.
One strange choice about this Andrew introduction is why it was done at the beginning of his sermon rather than at the end. It would have been more logical to say his three minutes and then have Dave come up immediately while the thoughts are still fresh.
Instead, he “gets the brethren excited” and “shares some insight," only to make them wait for another 74 minutes for those statements to be relevant.
Andrew, you made them suffer through your message while, in the back of their minds, they were wondering how much further Mr. Pack would separate them from their meal.
Poor judgment does certainly go forth. That is the RCG way.
@ 03:27 Time is not up. We're we're we're right there. It's very close, but don't give up. Don't give up on this year.
Not as close as you thought when you said these words. Elul 23 and Elul 24 have both passed.
By Tuesday this coming week, they should feel free to give up on this year. But I suspect Dave will not let them. And you will not either because you have a crucial role in stringing the members of The Restored Church of God along in this journey of biblical madness. You are doing that, Andrew. You.
All of this is eerily familiar. The reason is that during Part 249 on April 15, 2020, Andrew J. Holcombe made some "closing remarks" after Dave sat down and forgot a few points in his notes.
Here are some notable highlights from the 8-minutes of spin when the Days of Unleavened Bread were The Thing. Note the similarities repeated 144 parts, two years and five months later.
Andrew J. Holcombe – Part 249 – April 15, 2020
@ 47:04 And a case, a powerful case in some ways, could be made for even beyond today.
The "most powerful case" to go "beyond today" in 2022 is that Andrew is assisting a prophetic street magician who is so terribly awful at what he does that you can count on him to fail with 100% accuracy. The sun rises tomorrow. David C. Pack will be wrong again on Monday.
@ 47:11 Mr. Pack, I work closely with him…We’ve talked for hours over the course of these Days of Unleavened Bread…and it’s it’s a dynamic, dynamic process. It’s not easy.
Prophecy is hard. Choose another career.
@ 47:44 Is it possible that we do get outside the Days of Unleavened Bread? Is it possible? And as of right now, brethren, you and I, we’re in this boat together.
@ 48:01 And if something if it doesn't happen tonight, as we all still expect and believe, stay the course. We’re not here for just to hear what the next prophetic scenario is and then bail out.
And bail out everyone should.
The more times Dave and Andrew are wrong about a date, the more people inside RCG wake up.
As much as the date-setting is foolish from a strategic perspective, much like hiring an armed police officer to babysit the front gate during the UnOpen House, and much like using Common funds to purchase a $500,000 lawn, they will keep doing it.
It is an opportunity to point out inevitable failure. It is an opportunity to "make plain" that God is not behind the teachings of David C. Pack and the enablers at The Restored Church of God. It is an opportunity for more brethren inside RCG to send off their resignation letters.
The more dates, the more exits. The revised attendance numbers after the Feast of Tabernacles will give an accurate trajectory of RCG.
@ 49:09 Brethren, again, like I said, we are all in this together, and we all still fully expect Christ to come today.
Fewer and fewer inside RCG “fully expect” anything but “yet another Mr. Pack message.”
@ 51:25 If, for some reason, we get past tonight…and Christ doesn't return, there is a possible path forward. There is. So do not be discouraged.
@ 51:51 I just none of us can believe, absolutely none of us can believe we have another year to go.
Here we are two and a half years later. Those words ring more hollow each year they are repeated.
@ 54:10 If you feel discouraged, try to try to make yourself lift yourself up and encourage other people as well. But again, anything is possible.
Lift yourself up? So glad I counseled with the ministry on that one.
Anything is possible except for David C. Pack to get prophetic timing right. God will not allow it.
What an odd comment for Andrew to make when trying to support how "correct Mr. Pack is.” Back in 2020. “Anything” is outside what Mr. Pack was teaching. Maybe this is what he really thought.
@ 54:23 Many of us have already felt like we’ve been keeping the word of Christ’s patience, but it might be God's will that we continue to do so. And if that’s the case, it's not our will but God's will. So stay the course. Continue.
When all else fails, blame God. It is God’s will that Jesus Christ did not return during Unleavened Bread in 2020. It is God’s will that Jesus Christ does not return during the Feast of Trumpets in 2022.
When David C. Pack fails again, it is God’s will. I actually believe that one.
Andrew, you are a neat guy. I adore your wife. But you are on the wrong side of history. You are supporting the wrong guy. You are a Meat Shield to David C. Pack and nothing more. The moment you are no longer useful to him, watch him turn and eat you. He has done it before and will do it again. That is his nature.
Get out while you can. Stop encouraging biblical fraud. Stop perpetuating prophetic fraud. Stop supporting a man God is not supporting.
You are directly hurting people inside The Restored Church of God. You are assisting the system that uses fear and manipulation to control the minds and hearts of faithful people.
Stop being the Dave Pack Meat Shield before you get burned.
Leave, and I promise to buy you and your lovely wife a steak dinner. I know just the place.
RCG Overtime
On the evening of September 23, 2022 (Elul 27), another "Pathetic Update" was posted in Member Services, giving excuses as to why Dave spent another week being wrong and why the previous MS postings were also wrong.
There is a lot of "wrong" to spread around inside Headquarters.
The message lacked "oomph," but here are a few nuggets.
"Brethren, we are waiting for Trumpets…."
Dave appears to be holding the line, but that will all change by Tuesday. Count on it. There is no way Dave and company will sit and wait another year. That tactic does not bring in bookoo Common.
“Hours could be spent clarifying and qualifying all the terms that
we wrestled with for years, but that came to be so clear.”
This is pure comedy. The previous hours spent creating Part 1 through Part 393 were not enough. Only after Part 393 did that "come to be so clear." Ha ha ha ha ha ha. If only there were time left in the current world for Part 394. Maybe God will "give us more time," so more spewed biblical bile can ruin another tie.
"(Zech. 14:5-7)! For a long time, this day was only known to God
for all that it is! But now we have a full picture.”
Dave and the enablers always seem to have “a full picture” until they realize they don’t. It’s “correct” until it isn’t. It’s “clear” until it isn’t. Dave is “right” until he isn’t. Well, even when he is wrong, he is right.
David C. Pack will never have “a full picture.” Monday will come and go, and nothing will make the national news from Wadsworth, Ohio. With Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles on the horizon, the anvil will strike Dave on the head again to give him more “clarity” to keep dragging the members of RCG around the prophetic desert.
Dave has run out of ideas. His only course of action is to repeat the past and travel in circles. Watch.
Marc Cebrian
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