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Tuesday, July 19, 2011

There is a Seat for Every Butt



There is a Seat for Every Butt

Dennis Diehl - EzineArticles Expert AuthorHumans tend to select the religious beliefs that suit their needs, not their beliefs. Beliefs are maintained to keep feeling that whatever need they have for that belief is fulfilled. Beliefs and practice are more often a function of personality than many would like to admit. We might think of God as being able to call, work with and maintain a group of "Chosen Personalities" easier than generically "Chosen People." Cats tend to hang with cats, dogs with dogs and fish with fish. Organizations divide up in much the same way based on needs that lead to beliefs to maintain and fulfill that need. Have a need that is unfulfilled, and you will find a belief to meet the need. It's what the brain looks for when the mind is not happy, insecure or confused.

Some people need a thinking man's religion. Episcopal, Unitarians, Methodist and perhaps Lutheran (I'm being illustrative here based on my own experiences so keep this in mind), might fall into this category for people like that. The people, or at least their ministers, are highly educated in theology and, while often not able to share everything they know about the Bible, its origins, transmission, contradictions and problems, are open to the fact that human beings wrote it in some way inspired by God but maybe not perfectly or as we might have wished. These types tend to go with the flow and as long as church feels good, is informative and inclusive, their need is for that is fulfilled. Unitarians would allow for the most free thought, in my experience, and usually attract those that need to express and validate what their own personal studies about the errancy of scripture, the many ways God can be and a very large inclusiveness of all. Unitarians tend to meet people where they actually are in life and it is ok. They don't throw you out for understanding that Christmas is the birthday of lots of Godmen like Jesus, throughout history. Similarly,

Unity Churches (different from Unitarians) are a step above and you can understand that much of the theological cycle of belief can be understood in the study of astro-theology or the journey of the sun thru the 12 signs of the zodiac. They also don't mind much if one is gay and any other ideas you have may also be welcomed, or tolerated. Love is the answer. We're all hear to learn. People who come to these types of churches tend to have suffered under the more fundamentalist denominations and beliefs, stepped outside the box of what they grew up with and simply refuse to be restricted in the beliefs that work for them personally any longer. They need to not be controlled or come under the "guidance" of personalities or denominations that demand respect as being specially called of God to annoy them. Of course, many are born into these churches too.

Some people and personalities need emotional experiences to feel good and loved. They seek people, churches and organizations that fill that need and arrange their beliefs to keep the flow going. Many Evangelicals fall into this need. Hand waving, lots of emotion charging music, group hugging and "fellowship" are high on their list of needs that fuel their beliefs about the truth their church has to offer. They love a good Passion Play or Christmas program with lots of human actors to play out the story of Jesus visually. They can't understand why those who do not need that kind of emotional reenactment aren't crying along with them and wanting to go out and tell the world about Jesus. They loved Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ" and took it very very personally.

Their ministers tend towards the emotional type sermons, wipe their brows often in sweaty performances for Christ and walk around a lot on the podium. They like people, (not themselves) carrying big crosses down the isles and stages draped in purple. Some of their ministers have a cadence in their speech that would only work in church and a presentation that would make you chuckle, if it wasn't the minister under God's inspiration. The more gawdy, (no pun intended) the furniture, the better they like it because they think it resembles what God might use Himself in heaven. They like the color of gold as well and in fact, love the gold itself. Their followers give the gold too as if they were really giving it to God, who in fact, doesn't really need it personally. There is little accountability over the spending of the gold because God has informed the Pastor just how this should be done and that's pretty much the end of it. These folks tend to enjoy a good Gospel show and will support any visiting star of the Christian stage that comes to town, in addition to their local church.

 Emotion, inclusiveness and specialness is what this group needed, along with accepting the ridiculous, and that worked just fine. Accepting the ridiculous in both religion and government is often the price one pays for wanting to feel safe, special and cared for. Not one person got up and said, "this is nuts and I am out of here." That's the power of need.

Some groups attract people who need to feel special and experience the direct and the perceived power of God. This would be Pentecostals who, while they tell the new person that speaking in tongues is not required, make them feel less than spiritual if in time they cannot perform this feat of emotion. Let's face it, if you can speak in a heavenly language that no one understands in fact, YOU ARE SPECIAL. The fact that speaking in Christian tongues sounds the same as speaking in voodoo tongues is beside the point. Add throwing yourself down on the floor and flopping around like a fish out of water, and your degree of godliness and specialness soars through the roof. This type of emotional need also brings Pentecostalism and Pentecostals the distinct honor of being the denomination that has the most sexual "sins" among it's membership and ministry over all. Emotionally motivated people need all emotions, not just the flopping around on the floor ones.

The best drinkers in the country are the Baptists who aren't allowed to drink by the church. The denominations that prohibit it suffer from the most alcohol abuse and alcoholism. The counties that ban it and go "dry" are the wettest counties in America behind the scenes. As they say, a Good Baptist can't remember you're name if they see you at the liquor store, or Hooter's. In these cases, "Thou shalt not..." provokes "Oh yeah, just watch this." The Baptists also have a very high turnover rate, perhaps the highest of men in the ministry for falling into the sins that they deride the congregations over week after week. "Me thinks thou does protest too much," applies quite a bit of the time when a man can't stop referring to specific sins or lifestyles, in my observation and experience. We tend to berate the things that fascinate us.

Some people need to feel secure and safe in a world that they perceive as ruled by satanic forces opposing the now just around the corner, (still) Second Coming of Jesus. Their churches and ministers tend toward reading the Bible like a newspaper and every world event is leading towards "the crisis at the close." It's all about prophecy, the true church vs. the false, the called vs. the uncalled and the saved vs. the unsaved. There is an immediacy in every sermon and you can't outgive God financially to do this end time work, but they ask you to try. God may love a cheerful giver, but being a cheerful tither is pretty much expected if you are sincere about knocking Satan off his throne for Jesus sake. You don't need to fix your teeth, your home or prepare for your children's education, because "by then" you'll be a spirit being born into the family of God, so give us your money.

Finally, there are those that need one grand religious know-it-all to tell them everything about God, Christ, Jesus, the Gospels and how it all fits together from Genesis to Revelation. These are the Religions of the Grand Poopas. The one minister that those who need the one man show follow is "amazing," "charismatic," "smart," "truly lead by God," "Knows the mind of God," (in all things by the way), and Apostolic in his ordination. To not come to services in groups like these is to be checked up on and ask why not. To miss an church sponsored event is to be thought of as "non-supportive," or even in danger of falling away from the church. The followers tend to sit back and just listen, needing the comfort of his words and perspectives while their own are dismissed as limited in scope. No one tells the Pastor he is out of line, as he is never out of line and no one has any authority over the man. While not often spoken, the feeling the man gives is that "when I need to be corrected, God will correct me." Of course, this is a rare even, often unrecognized by the man even it were to happen, which it doesn't, but no member can ever inform the Pastor of his mistakes or in some cases, mental problems.

I have often felt a minister or self appointed leader can better hide out in a church than in a corporate environment. IBM would fire by noon a man who declared himself to be the "One True CEO or Manager."

Ministers with mental problems or with narcissistic tendencies appear to be "spiritual" or more obedient to God, because they always quote scriptures to make it sound like they are doing what an Isaiah, Jeremiah or Jesus would do. Aside: Did you you know Jesus wears a bracelet that says, "Why Did I Do that?" Some say it really asks, "What Would I Do?" Some church members who come under the authority, because for some reason they need to, of one man need to wear a bracelet that says "remember not to leave my brains at the door of this church every week." Oh well. Mental illness disguised as righteousness or obedience is what gets some churches, ministers and their members into the headlines. Quirkiness in the ministry can be harmless or harmful depending on the need to tolerate such things the congregation has. The level of toleration that some audiences have for the words spoken by the one man show can sometimes leave one's head spinning as to why. But only those that don't need that type of religion, who often in the past were victims of it, tend to be able to spot it when they see it.
People who need this type of church are easily lead and controlled, which is their need. "You tell me why the world is this way, and make me feel safe and special, and I'll support you." These people need to feel God's daily protection from harm, specialness and that "a thousand shall fall at thy right hand and ten thousand at thy left, but it shall not come nigh unto thy dwelling." Adventists, many Evangelicals and Christian Zionists fall into this category of need. Some take the need for personal security to great lengths with stored food reserves and a home arsenal that would make a Marine blush. Some will kill you and let God sort you out, if you get in their face or space, or try to inform them that the Bible may not be informing them quit as accurately about the times that THEY just happen to be living in as they think.

Whatever our need is that informs our beliefs, it might be safer to also understand these observations about not giving up your self, your brain, your money, your time or your need to let other people, organizations or governments do all your thinking for you. Don't let your needs take you into something that you'll end up sorry you got for your efforts.


"A man who does not think for himself does not think at all."

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
Oscar Wilde

"Don't ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive."Howard Thurman


"If I'm going to sing like someone else, then I don't need to sing at all." Billy Holiday


"Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers" Voltaire

"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something." Plato

"There comes a time when you have to stand up and shout: This is me damn it! I look the way I look, think the way I think, feel the way I feel, love the way I love! I am a whole complex package. Take me... or leave me. Accept me - or walk away! Do not try to make me feel like less of a person, just because I don't fit your idea of who I should be and don't try to change me to fit your mold. If I need to change, I alone will make that decision. When you are strong enough to love yourself 100%, good and bad - you will be amazed at the opportunities that life presents you."  Stacey Charter


We all have needs. We need to be loved, listened to, appreciated, helpful, believing, trusting and to feel secure in an insecure world. Those needs end up informing our beliefs. There are many things that one can believe about many things. There are many organizations, belief systems, Churches, Temples, men, women, gurus, apostles, priests and kings who are more than willing to manipulate your needs, either deliberately or in their own ignorance of doing so, for advantage. Next time you sit in a crowd, congregation, group meeting, or audience, ask yourself "what is my need that I am here, listening to this?" Sometimes when we answer that question we end up defining our real needs better by getting up and voting with our feet on whether one really needed that.

Remember, if your head says yes, but your tummy says no...your tummy is telling you the truth and your head is lying through it's follicles. When the mind makes your stomach hurt, it's trying to tell you some truth. We don't need to come up with any more beliefs based on artificial needs, created by others for us to fall into at this particular time in history.



Dennis C. Diehl


21 comments:

  1. I admit to needed more purpose in my life so I believe I too will start my own church. Why not??? I have a lot to say and if I just start out with three or four chairs, I am sure I can fill them. I get it up to ten seats and can get them all to tithe, I'm home free.

    Doctrine and teaching? Hmmmm. Let me think....


    On foods: high protein and low carbs. No aspertame but stevia is an acceptable and godly substitute. Chicken, fish and tofu mostly with only occasional beef which we will save for sacrifices on the New Moon. No fatties as it would be better if you took a knife to your throat, so says the book, than to be a glutton. Chemical imbalances will be considered with a doctors note...However if you go to a doctor, don't ask me to anoint you for healing. Good food and God is all you need.

    Salvation: sure sounds good.

    Baptism: Required upon admitting you lust and murder and kill and are evil in your thoughts most of the time. We'll have a good laugh and swap stories.

    Trinity? Ummm..no. All is ONE but no goofballs turing three gods into one only. That's a contraindication to critical thinking. If you read the Surprising God Blog, you are disfellowshipped and Marked big time!

    Worship Day? I'm thinking Tuesdays

    Holy Days? Xmas/Easter/Beltane and My Birthday. No one has ever sent me a gift or given me a birthday party so that's just how it's going to be.

    Sermon style: Clear thinking, critical thinking with emphasis on common sense, good science and video from the Discovery, History,Nova, BBC and Bart Ehrman presentations.

    World view: We will be the only chosen ones on earth. Though small and weak, we are empowered somehow and the best pencils in the box. If you ain't us, you ain't much.

    Attitude towards the World: Kill them all, let God sort them out.

    Feeding others than ourselves: Yeah right!!!

    Attitude towards Splinters: Even if it's not true, we are the true splinter. Following the tradition of Dave Pack...i will give updates on my stupendous self and ideas often and take a heck of a long time to do it.

    Attitudes towards the Armstrongs:
    Who?

    Dress and Personal styles: Men to have long hair like the Sioux. Women are to have longer hair like Sioux women. If you can comb your hair with a washcloth...keep looking...

    Military service; ah ha ha ha ha...only if they really hate our freedoms and not just our greed and interference.

    Relatives: You can only speak to them about the blessings of tithing to the true church...us

    Marriage: I have no idea

    Sex: sure

    Children: only if properly cooked.
    Just kidding..that's WC Fields view.

    My official title: High Priest of Marduk. Has a nice ring to it and i can't wait to give a four hour sermon ending with...."and yes brethren...I am the High Priest of Marduk." Gives me chills!

    Internet use: required for salvation classes

    Evolution: Must attend Hairless Ape Classes

    Text: Eckhart Tolle The Power of Now/The New Earth and other worldly texts that show the wisdom of man is really kinda good at times.

    Finances: Did I say "Send it in"?

    I am sure there is much more to evolve, but these are the basics.

    M.T. Hall

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  2. Right on, Dennis. Looking back, I can see where Armstrong fulfilled my need by giving me a special identity I never felt I had. There was even a pseudo-intellectualism involved in that we had, supposedly, special knowledge no one else had.

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  3. Hi Al,
    Just seems so after years of observation. We have 16 different types of temprements so I imagine that's a hint there may be 16 basically different ways of filtering our world.

    The idea there ever was one true church is simply bad history and not real. There was rancour and dissent before the body ever cooled, if it ever did.

    I seem ever fascinated with the twists and turns of those who claim to speak for God and truth. They almost lose their minds and have to suspend critical thinking and common sense to keep up some of what they expect God expects etc. It's nuts.

    So often they could never give even a short list of works and books they have read outside their own perspectives. COG ministers are not prone to education in all things Biblical. They are bible readers and commentators. Once they read the Bible like a newspaper, the whole things goes off the tracks.

    Rod Meredith never gave a real bible study in his life. Nor has Dave Pack or any of them. They don't know enough about it to even know what questions to ask.

    blah blah.. I blather

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  4. I also have come to understand that Mr. Malm is telling some that he and I had a debate which I lost very badly to him. Funny I can't remember such an event. I have asked him at least three times to follow up and answer the examples i sent him on how Paul and Matthew misused the OT to make it mean what it did not mean and misquoted much of it to fit their story. Nuttin.


    I would welcome Mr. Malm submitting articles here showing why he is right about his use of scripture so we all could comment on his approach. Following him is more and more seeming to be a risky and compliant kind of life in Jesus.

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  5. Actually, I'm thinking of wrapping it up and moving on, whatever that means. Seems I have been as helpful with my own background, experiences, views and moving on as I can be in this forum.

    I know only a small portion of those that read this blog actually comment so hope it has been helpful in some way in the growth process after this crazy wcg experience.

    Anyone who wishes to stay in touch, please do so at DennisCDiehl@aol.com Be happy to chat.

    What a hoot if all us here could meet someday for a picnic.ha. We'd forget to eat!!!

    I probably need to get off the idea of 'i used to be a minister' That is not who I am today. It's what I did, but never was who i am. I meant well.

    Warm regards
    den

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  6. If you need to take a break, Dennis, by all means do. However, I don't think you'll be able to not say anything, anymore than I can. About the time I think I've said it all, something else comes along and I have to start clicking those computer keys again.

    I'll be glad to stay in touch. We have much in common.

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  7. Yes, I do have to make passes at it . Cold turkey would be too difficult..lol.

    It has been interesting. My experience has been that we get the most conversant about personalities and their goofy ideas or dramas. There is far less , almost no, discussion on some of the examples I bring up about Bible errancy issues or the deeper or more political aspects of the Bible and prophecies that aren't really etc. So much of interest but so little real interest in discussing it unless it steps on a toe or two.

    At any rate, the beat goes on!

    M.T. Hall is sitting right here with me so I'll ask him what to do..ha

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  8. I've noticed the same thing. When you shoot at sacred cows, people seem to clam up. I think they just tune out due to the fact that their belief system is just too engrained in their psyches.

    By contrast, you and I concluded it was all a bunch of BS and chucked the whole thing. We just shake our heads over the theological arguments and again try to point out that the root and trunk of the old tree is dead and rotten. Hopefully, some see that fact.

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  9. As I read your latest, Dennis, I found things with which I can agree, and things with which I must disagree. I do agree that we all have needs, and that in many cases, we structure our activities so that those needs can be met.

    Psychologists have identified two portions of the human mind, the conscious mind, and the subconscious mind. The conscious is frequently capable of objectivity, while the subconscious is always subjective, and certain elements of it are highly programmable by ourselves and by others. There is also residual programming which regulates our heart, breathing, digestion, survival instincts, self-healing capabilities, growth and various other "automatic" functions. This is also where we store much of our spiritual programming.

    We would seem to be programmed to have certain spiritual needs, and, yes, our conscious mind is often involved in strategizing as to how and where these needs can be met. I feel that in your dissertation, you presented us with some rather blatant stereotypes when you provided us with an overview of the various church groups. I am not saying that these stereotypes do not exist, but it would appear that those to whom the stereotypes might apply are at best superficially involved in what could and should be a very deep and complex personal relationship with their God. With others, as in the case of an iceberg, the true depth often lies undetected, below the surface.

    Each of us is on a personal oddyssey, on individualized plan. We are also part of an ecosystem, and there is a purpose and place for everybody, a place in which we can obtain nurture, enlightenment, and nourishment, even as we contribute to the preservation and betterment of the ecosystem. Some of us can find these elements in group situations, while others find it independently, as did Siddhartha (by Hermann Hesse).

    Sometimes, if we dwell on stereotypes, and worry about actually becoming laughable stereotypes ourselves, we can use this as an excuse not to explore. In all honesty, who is in control of the process? In WCG, the church and the ministry assumed such control, actually usurping the responsibilities of God and the Holy Spirit. But, the reality is that there is great freedom in being Christian. We should have slammed the door on much of the controlling WCG ministry, and should have voted with our feet. And, we have the right to do this as we explore new spiritual venues. God did not give us minds to make zombies or stereotypes out of us! He expects us to use them in fulfilling His plan.

    BB

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  10. I'd like to share some of what I learned from my years of atheism or agnosticism. Those who have always been believers may not realize it, but non-belief was actually a noble experiment! By elliminating the possibility of a God, as a kind of double blind experiment, one eventually becomes cognizant of the things that are then missing, the things which God brings to the party. These begin to be perceived as needs, which when fulfilled, will actually bring good into one's life.

    When recovering from extreme toxic cults such as the WCG, in which God, through Orwellian doublespeak, was actually portrayed more as resembling the worst, angry, human megalomaniac, or even Satan, one is almost forced to clean the slate before being able to perceive God as a being who loves us unconditionally.

    That is the awful truth about the catastrophic damage which false teachers actually do to our minds!

    BB

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  11. So, you say we need god. Just where are we supposed to find him?

    Should we look to Yahweh, the son of El Elyon and Ashtoreth, brother of Baal? Or, do we look to Jesus, the invention of Paul and his Greek disciples who competed with all the preceding gentile saviors?

    Jesus won out because a desperate Constantine wanted to bring order to his empire and eventually threw in his lot with the Jesus worshippers 300 years plus after any individual so named is calaimed to have walked the earth. In fact, he helped create that composite individual and the New Testament was then crafted to back the whole thing up -- in a confusing and contradictory sort of way.

    It worked, for a while. Then, along came Martin Luther and chaos began again.

    Now, we can chose any vast number of theologies and variations of "god." I guess that makes it easy for people to get whatever flavor appeals to them, but doesn't make any of it true. It's all a big mental delusion.

    Apparently, that gives peace to a lot of people. It's still a delusion. That's my take.

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  12. "Mr. Malm is telling some that he and I had a debate which I lost very badly to him. Funny I can't remember such an event. I have asked him at least three times to follow up and answer the examples i sent him on how Paul and Matthew misused the OT to make it mean what it did not mean and misquoted much of it to fit their story. Nuttin."

    Are you talking about Malm, or about another blogger who's name begins with an "M"? Maybe just a coincidence lol?

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  13. I don't think that stereotypes are inherently bad and not useful. Although, I do think that most Christian preachers, as well as politicians, use them in an unethical way for the purpose of manipulation. And it's not hard to see why that's so common, since stereotypes are a subset of archetypes, which are a door to a person's subconscious.

    BB said "We should have slammed the door on much of the controlling WCG ministry, and should have voted with our feet."
    Most people have. At least, most everyone reading this blog. I'll take it that BB meant to include the caveat, "... sooner than we did."

    Anyway, I can't think of a better way to see "unethical manipulation of persons by use of stereotype" than to tune into Christian TV stations like Trinity Broadcasting Network, Daystar(which is named after the Devil, LOL!), and God TV.

    I suppose that a question one might consider after considering any stereotypes, is, "Has this increased my psychological freedom, or not?"
    (It may not be good if it's resulted in you sending money to(or ordering trinkets from), Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, TD Jakes, Jim Bakker, Joyce Meyer, Jack Van Impe, Paula White, Mike Murdock, Pat Robertson, or their ilk.

    In fact, you may recognize that something is SERIOUSLY wrong if you've found that you've signed up for Jan Crouch's "Christian Liposuction Seminar"

    Norm

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  14. There are some excellent statistics on this subject in the study,
    "Counting Flocks and Lost Sheep: Trends in Religious Preference Since
    World War II"


    By Tom W. Smith, Univerity of Chicago, hosted by umich.edu:
    http://www.icpsr.umich.edu:8080/GSS/rnd1998/reports/s-reports/soc26.htm



    Table 29 of the study presents the percent of people raised in a
    particular religion who reported currently being members of that same
    faith:

    Table 29

    A. Major Religions

    Protestant 90.4%
    Catholic 82.3
    Jewish 86.6
    Other 70.5
    None 45.4


    B. Major Protestant Denominations

    Southern Baptist 71.8
    United Methodist 63.0
    Lutheran 80.0
    Presbyterian 56.7
    Episcopalian 71.6
    Interdenominational 47.1
    Disciples of Christ 63.9
    Mormon 90.8
    Fundamentalist 73.7
    Moderate 57.0
    Liberal 46.4


    C. Fundamentalism/Liberalism

    Fundamentalist 80.3
    Moderate 81.9
    Liberal 71.6

    It is interesting to see how many just stay with the religion they grew up in and never bother to search.

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  15. "...in which God, through Orwellian doublespeak, was actually portrayed more as resembling the worst, angry, human megalomaniac, or even Satan, one is almost forced to clean the slate before being able to perceive God as a being who loves us unconditionally."

    I know this is emotionally pleasing but this is not reality. The Bible portrays God as just this way. The OT god disappears in the NT and is replaced by the Jesus figure which at least is more portrayed as you say. Bible God the Father figure is portrayed every bit as a jealous human guarding his turf and punishing all with death who resist.

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  16. "Bible God the Father figure is portrayed every bit as a jealous human guarding his turf and punishing all with death who resist."

    Patterned after the patriarchal tribal chieftans on whom that fictitous god is based. Just look at the Middle East and South Asia to see exactly how that god came to be, and supposedly enlightened westerners still bow down and fawn over that disgusting concept.

    The sooner people can be made aware of this fact, the sooner we can shed this travesty and become a truly civilized people.

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  17. Dennis, you need to understand that Allah is a kind, merciful, forgiving, and beneficent God.

    Some say the Holy Scriptures are not in harmony about this, but those people don't have eyes to see.

    As Holy Scripture tells us, the blessings that flow from Lord Allah are so plentiful they are like the grains of sand and unable to be numbered!

    The blessings that Allah imparts are totally awesome!
    Couldn't you use some of those in your life, Dennis?

    Sometimes, though, it's a little confusing:
    Three days ago, Allah sent me a new transmission for my car.
    Praise Allah!
    Then, my evil mother-in law died.
    Praise Allah!
    I thought I could then drive her corpse to the morgue.
    Praise Allah!
    But then, Allah resurrected her, and to top that off, I found out
    she's hidden a valve for my transmission so I can't even drive now!

    By the way, I'm Eastern Catholic.

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  18. I wonder how many frustrated, angry, furious, raging, bitter people there are who are "serviced" by such as the Armstrongists to feed their borderline feelings?

    I've observed a few.

    And is this the kind of group any of us would want to be caught dead with?

    I guess the answer to that is just how frustrated, angry, furious, raging and bitter you are.

    (Post Script: frustrated, angry, furious, raging, bitter people seem to accuse those who do not see things their way as being frustrated, angry, furious, raging, bitter.)

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  19. Well, the alleged badness of the Old Testament God is somewhat of a cliche. It is certainly something that, in processing all that has happened to us via Armstrongism, I had bought into for a number of years. It was not a very big leap, at all, because of what was emphasized in all of the sermons and articles.

    However, as I revisited spirituality, and began reinvestigating several years ago, I was quite surprised to find that in all of the examples in the Bible, God had specific purposes for the punishments and calamities which He meted out. In all cases, He exercised extreme patience and restraint, and all that He did was totally justified. David experienced the full spectrum of God's personality. He received both punishment and blessing for the different things which he did throughout his life, but David always valued his relationship with God above all else. Josephus, though not a Biblical character, certainly believed in the goodness of God, and in God's sense of justice. So have generations of observant Jews, who only know Father Yahweh God, and not Jesus Christ as yet.

    To think of God as being intrinsically evil, or untrustworthy is to cut oneself off from, or at best to inhibit such things as healing, blessings, or the goodness which results from an orderly society which is based on the moral imperatives which have been imposed by a wise Creator. That road actually leads to nowhere, although it is deceptive in that it seems to be an interesting intellectual exercise. However, if you remain alienated from God for long, severe limitations begin to become very conspicuous. Vital things are missing, and one ends up in a void.

    BB

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  20. Actually, God as the Father, is not known in the Old Testament.

    According to the New Testament, Jesus was sent so that humanity could know the Father.

    Any claims that Jews knew the Yaweh Father God would seem to be unfounded.

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