Prophet Thiel is on his yearly rant about the evils of American style football. To Prophet Thiel it is another satanic conspiracy to deceive the elect.
With all the truly many evils in the world, that Thiel and the Living Church of God NEVER talk about, he speaks out against football. You never see Prophet Thiel or the LCG doing anything for the homeless and the marginalized. They hold themselves aloof by saying, "It is not our problem in this age. God is going to correct it soon, and the world will be in true happiness and peace." They never seem to realize that with the coming of Christ and his many miracles he was already bringing the Kingdom to earth. While not in it's entirety, it was through small bits and pieces that restore peoples lives.
Anyway, I digress. Back to the most Holy of the COG Prophets.
Prophet Thiel was incensed by a CNN news program that discussed the injuries received by football players. Then the Prophet makes an astounding jump to ancient Rome. Because most American football cames are played in coliseums, the Prophet links to the various activities carried on in Rome's coliseums.
The Prophet writes:
The Prophet then has to admit that there is NO information out there that TRUE Church of God members did not watch coliseum sports. However, he quickly makes this leap of faith:In the time of ancient Rome, violent sports were also popular.
Were they viewed by many of those that professed Christ?
It does not appear so.
While we do not seem to have many direct references from those in the Church of God, we do have some written records of those who were at least somewhat familiar with the teachings of Jesus and the practices of the earliest Christians.
Remember folks, there are no TRUE Christians outside the Church of God so these people must have heard SOME of the TRUTH but rejected the rest of it.
The Prophet then quotes an early Christian whom Prophet Thiel thinks was a TRUE Church of God member:
Here is something from Theophilus of Antioch (who probably was part of the Church of God)...
Consider, therefore, whether those who teach such things can possibly live indifferently, and be commingled in unlawful intercourse, or, most impious of all, eat human flesh, especially when we are forbidden so much as to witness shows of gladiators, lest we become partakers and abettors of murders. But neither may we see the other spectacles, lest our eyes and ears be defiled,
So, true Christians did not believe that they were to watch the violent sports so popular in the second century.
Athenagoras, a professing Christian apologist, wrote around 170 A.D.:
What man of sound mind, therefore, will affirm, while such is our character, that we are murderers?…
Who does not reckon among the things of greatest interest the contests of gladiators and wild beasts, especially those which are given by you? But we, deeming that to see a man put to death is much the same as killing him, have abjured such spectacles
Obviously Christians would not go and watch others being tortured and killed in the coliseums. But you can be guaranteed that they also went along to other festivals where none violent things happened. Just like hundreds of LCGers will be gathered around television screens to watch the Super Bowl! Those ancient Christians would have went to some of these events just to give the impression that they were "normal" Roman citizens. Kind of like LCGers that have birthday parties in restaurants, go out dancing in dance clubs, play football, and eat in restaurants for a quite Friday night dinner. They have the need to feel "normal" too.
Prophet Thiel goes on to state that ancient TRUE Christians and even fake Catholic ones had sense to see that violent sports were evil. But then the Prophet goes on to quote the world's foremost authority on violence in sports:
So, those who professed Christ in the second and third century generally did not feel that viewing or participating in violent sports was appropriate.
In more recent times, the late Herbert W. Armstrong wrote:
Hostility toward the other is sin…Boxing at Ambassador College is definitely banned. God did not create the human brain and head to be pummeled and knocked senseless by an antagonist.
Football (American football) is a violent body-contact sport. It is often played with an attitude of hostility and is dangerous and is fraught with physical injury. (Plain Truth, July-August 1984)
I think the funny thing about this quote is that while HWA said this, the College and Church members were active participants in all the Rose Bowl games and activities. They raised money for each group by selling pork hot dogs, beer, film, programs, souvenirs. They ushered and took tickets. The College was an active participant in the New Years parade and provided space and use of facilities for parking, band rehearsals, television broadcasts and much more.
The Prophet ends with this:
Which causes more harm. A game of football, or teaching aberrant doctrines that deceive people spiritually?
“Love does no harm to a neighbor” (Romans 13:9), yet what do violent sports like American football and boxing do? Are those who participate neighbors for Christians? Should people be encouraged to participate in violent activities which are proven to cause harm?
I think the Prophet needs to lay off the naturopathic and herbal drugs he has been peddling off to his patients and take a dose of reality.
It just amazes me that the Living Church of God promotes this guy as a theologian in their midst. All he has done over the last several years is make LCG look like complete fools at times.
I was busy working on my Income Tax, so I didn't watch.
ReplyDeleteI doubt that makes me a true Christian though.
There are probably other qualifications.
And how would Booby Thiel know anyway?
Hahahahahahahahaha.
ReplyDeleteThiel could write 10,000 words about paint drying. It would no doubt be just as interesting as everything else he's penned.
When I found out Dr. Germano had thrown in with the LCG after spending a decade disproving Armstrongism, I knew all common sense had gone out the window with this crowd. What a debacle.
Bob, just relax, you're a chiropractor...you'll adjust..
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A number of Christians were participants in coliseum sports. I guess it's okay to play football but not to watch it.
ReplyDeleteThe man is either a fool or a control freak.
ReplyDeleteOh good grief!
ReplyDeleteIf Thiel wanted to make the point about how society values football players over farmers, I would repsect the opinion - feed America, go broke; entertain America get rich.
I have to draw upon my WCG recollection. We were blessed in my local congregation to be based in Washington D.C. home of the Washington Redskins. In my youth with the WCG, the Washington Redskins were a very good team under coach George Allen (who came to us from the LA Rams).
The Church did not in anyway condemn watching football or supporting the Redskins. In fact, we had church fellowship which involved watching the Redskins in the playoffs or super bowl.
I watched the Redskins/Dolphins super bowl game from the home of a deacon whose daughter went on to become Mrs. Clyde Kilough of UCG/COGWA. It was not condemned by the Church or the ministry in anyway.
My late mother - who was the staunchest of HWA and Roderick Meredith supporters and member of the LCG when she passed away use to host "super bowl sphegetti night" each year. It was something we looked forward to each year.
This must be a new teaching in the ACOGs after my exit in 1976.
Richard
Jeez. According to Thiel, are Christians allowed to fart?
ReplyDeleteWhat he doesn't realize is that God, who is omniscient, will be watching the Super Bowl.
BB
Thanks to Robert Thiel's challenge (and a job which has me working Sundays), this was the season I gave up N.F.L. football.
ReplyDeleteIn the process, of course, I missed all the dramatic fourth-quarter comebacks by that man who's probably even worse than a spectator because he actually PLAYS American football.
You know - Tim Tebow.
Hey! If it wasn't for football, the men at church wouldn't have anything to talk about. What kind of "fellowship" would that be?
ReplyDeleteSay? When is the Superbowl?
ReplyDeleteAs a person into naturopathic medicine, one wonders what might happen if Thiel were to "discover" and advocate for medicinal marijuana. All of the other kooks distort biblical passages and add them to Armstrongism, so Thiel might well study and expound upon the passages in Genesis which state that God gave mankind all seed bearing herbs. At least then we'd have a more tangible explanation for all of the weird stuff he spouts!
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