The small group of apostate church jumpers at Restored Church of God have this little blurb up today about Dave Pack ridiculing Ron Weinland and his idiotic May 27th prophecy:
New Open Letter Addressing Ronald Weinland’s Prophecies
Mr. Pack has written an extensive Open Letter to followers of the Church of God – PKG. It is titled “Ron Weinland—Spectacularly Wrong!”
Over recent years, Ronald Weinland fell into ridiculous teachings on many topics, but especially his framework of prophecy. He has announced a series of failed predictions. He is most noted for predicting that Jesus Christ will return on May 27, 2012.
Opening with a more than cursory overview of the truth of prophecy, including some brief statements from Mr. Armstrong, this article goes on to identify and refute Weinland’s bizarre, totally unscriptural prophetic scenario. Addressing a number of topics in a way you have not seen, it is a tool to help misled followers untangle themselves from a web of error and delusion.
Apostle Pack says:
Some time before (referring to Harold Camping), a lesser known “prophet,” Ronald Weinland (of the Church of God – PKG), had spun his own theory about how Christ would return on May 27, 2012. He began pushing in earnest his end-time scenario—through extensive ad campaigns much like Harold Camping—five and a half years earlier in late 2006, in belief that the Great Tribulation would begin on December 14, 2008. (Also paralleling Harold Camping, Ron Weinland has had to recompute events and dates because of failed prophecies.)
Dave does not recognize the fact that Herbert W Armstrong had hundreds of failed prophecies. Gerald Waterhouse had hundreds of them, Dean Blackwell had his share, John Rittenbaugh has his embarrassing failures. The list could go on and on.
The most magnanimous Apostle to ever walk the face of the earth has this to say:
True ministers of God strive to never attack other human beings. They are for the truth rather than against people—and there is a big difference. Therefore, I have determined to actively resist and teach against any false doctrines that are deceiving people among the splinters. However, this subject presents a unique problem with this policy.Dave then goes on to say this:
When a leader teaches a false concept or doctrine, it rarely has anything to do with himself. Generally, the heresy can be clearly singled out and countered without having to necessarily address the man who teaches it.
This is going to come back and bite Dave in the ass big time! RCG is all about DAVE! It's all about HIMSELF! Hersey in the Restored Church of God is centered squarely in Dave Pack's shoulders!
Dave goes on to say this about prophets, which of course does not apply to him:
The Bible says prophets fall into one of two categories—true or false. All prophets—past, present or future—are one or the other. They cannot be both, and they cannot be in-between. Within the category of false prophets are two types: Those who claim to be a prophet, but falsely foretell events, not being inspired by the true God—and those who do not necessarily claim to be a prophet, but who teach falsely about prophecy—and for that matter any other aspect of God’s Word. The latter would include false teachers and false ministers. Like false prophets, false teachers assert they are vested with God’s authority. Rather than falsely prophesying future events, they teach false doctrines supposedly from the Bible. Therefore, Jesus’ warnings about false prophets also apply to false teachers, who work in the same way.
Ronald Weinland is a complete fraud, and one who is breathtakingly ignorant of even the most rudimentary elements of prophecy—of events that should be impossible to misunderstand. He is utterly wrong—and in his case spectacularly so, and on virtually every point! The Bible does not validate any of his prophetic ideas. You are about to see this.
We can rightly says:
Dave Pack is a complete fraud, and one who is breathtakingly ignorant of even the most rudimentary elements of prophecy—of events that should be impossible to misunderstand. He is utterly wrong—and in his case spectacularly so, and on virtually every point! The Bible does not validate any of his prophetic ideas. You are about to see this.
Dave says:
Tragically, most who read Bible prophecy remain in near total ignorance of its size and scope. They are completely unable to recognize the speed, sequence and timing of its prophecies. And this is on top of not truly comprehending what any of them means! So many just cannot untangle the maze of what happens when, as well as where and to whom—and WHY!
Then says this about his prophecies. He knows EXACTLY how they will all come about:
The interested reader will want to view my 2-part World to Come broadcast series titled “26 Prophetic Events in Exact Sequence Before Christ’s Return!” It reveals in detail all that lies ahead.)
Dave then goes into a look screed about the specific things that will happen in a specific order. Just typical Armstrongite prophecy silliness.
Dave does write some good things in his letter that are spot on about Weinland.
...seeing through Ron Weinland should be a snap. Incredibly, he has managed to get almost nothing right—NOTHING! It has been said that even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut. Not Weinland! He seems unable to get anything right, even accidentally. Again, if Elijah mocked the ancient prophets of Baal, I can mock a modern one.
Pack has this to say about lying false prophets.
A final word of caution: When their silliness is exposed for what it is, false prophets usually squeal like stuck hogs in protest. With his “credibility” now at stake, I realize this article might cause Ron Weinland to smear my credibility. He virtually has to. But at best his words will only carry “weight” until May 28 when his prophecy fails. The even barely discerning person will realize Weinland cannot use God’s Word in any intelligible fashion to do this.
I can see that very soon we will see Dave squealing like a stuck pig because of his lies.
Beware all you splinter cult leaders, Dave has his sight set on you next! God's most powerful Apostle over the largest web based minister on earth today is coming after you!
I will address more splinter leaders in the future—and in detail. This includes certain other deceivers within these groups.Dave's letter is long and boring, filled with typical Armstrongite theological stances with a Dave spin added to them. Read it at your leisure because it is all fantasy: Ron Weinland—Spectacularly Wrong!
Truthfully, it will be more satisfying to see him go bankrupt than to have him shown to be a false prophet.
ReplyDeleteThe downside is that the followers will suffer... but, you know, they don't fear that enough -- not yet anyway.
As for prognostications, I would say this, the Davey Pack followers are going to regret the engagement they have had with their leader, particularly if they give him 50% of their net worth as he demands.
They should be afraid. Very afraid.
Isn't 2012 grand?
"The Eye that sees cannot see itself"
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M.T.Eyeballs
“I will address more splinter leaders in the future—and in detail. This includes certain other deceivers within these groups.
ReplyDeleteExcellent! I can hardly wait. David Pack will do a good job of exposing these snakes. In fact, they truly are more deceitful and cunning than most could imagine. Somebody needs to expose them and their lies and thefts and frauds. It should have been done many years ago rather than allowing them to get away with 26 years or more of pure evil.
“This is going to come back and bite Dave in the ass big time!”
This won’t be any problem at all. Dave is a big enough ass himself that any squealing of those demon-directed swine he exposes will all just feel like little tiny mosquito bites.
It is quite amazing that a man can go after the amazingly wrong prophetic view of another and then supply one of his own.
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For whatever perverse reason, I endeavor to listen to Ron Weinland from time to time and have to say that aside from his terrible way of speaking in generalities galore, he truly has no clue about the actual history and background of Daniel and Revelation.
ReplyDeleteI would be willing to bet Ron Weinland has never read a significant book on alternative understandings of the history and text he thinks he got right in his youth.
Dave Pack is no better in his education in the actual background of the texts. He just is better at intimidating others into thinking he really knows...which he doesn't.
NO COG minister is trained in the background of the texts much less the context in which they were written. They are Bible readers. That's what I was and confused it with understanding what I was reading. I had to invest another 20 years when possible to discover for myself what I was not told in my own youth. The reason I was not told is that the teachers did not know it well enough themselves. HWA was no Bible Scholar. Both he and Joe Tkach were authority driven Bible readers. One can cover a lot of ignorance with theological smoke especially when peddling prophecy and that "soon" spoken 2000 years ago really meant in our time which it never meant.
Every "soon" "shortly" or "the day is far spent," spoken of in the NT meant shortly as shortly means shortly back then. There is no definition of "shortly" that includes "Shortly....a word that can mean a long time away including but not limited to thousands of years into the future."
"When a leader teaches a false concept or doctrine, it rarely has anything to do with himself. Generally, the heresy can be clearly singled out and countered without having to necessarily address the man who teaches it"
ReplyDeleteRemarkable comment from a man with DCP's background and self centered approach
NO2HWA said, "Read it at your leisure because it is all fantasy: Ron Weinland—Spectacularly Wrong!"
ReplyDeleteMY COMMENT - Yes, but isn't everything HWA, WCG and splinter churches ALL FANTASY - one great big costly fraud?
Richard
Ok..I tried to read Dave's screed on Ron...but I was overtaken by a voice in my head going "blah, blah, blah, blah....." Once that started, I had to stop reading it.
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