James Malm, the gift that just keeps on giving:
Modesty is not only in the way a person dresses, but in their behaviour. A lady in a burka can still give that “come hither look” with the eyes.
True Christian modesty is about attitude and honest humility which then rsults in dressing so as not to inflame passion in the society where one lives.
I happen to know that there is agreat deal of imopdesty and even fornication going on in many COG Groups. Those activities come from a basic carnal worldly attitude. If you are forni ating; then MARRY your lover. If you are just looking for conquests, or you ladies are looking to seduce; you should be ashamed of yourselves and withdraw yourself or be THROWN OUT of the assembly.
If the elders vigorously taught and enforced the commandments of God; there would be absolutely no need for man made dress codes. Modest dress would come naturally from a real zeal for God’s commandments rsulting in God’s spirit inspiring a balanced and modest behaviour.
Our lack of modesty is a symptom of our lack of zeal for God and his commandment’s, our general spiritual condition and our lack of God’s spirit inspiring our behaviour.
If we were zealous, we would wear burkas everywhere we went. And the men would all be careful never to make eye contact so as to avoid the come hither look.
ReplyDeleteOne sure sign that people are not zealous is children.
James Malm needs to rent a few Salma Hayek or Halle Berry movies and relax a little.
ReplyDeleteI keep wondering who died and left him God.
ReplyDeleteJames said, "I happen to know that there is agreat deal of imopdesty and even fornication going on in many COG Groups."
ReplyDeleteMY COMMENT: How long have you been around the COGs, Jamesy? There always has been that problem. I remember a "deacon's" wife running away with a ministerial assistant fresh out of "god's college"(1969), then there was the married "minister" in Denver screwing one of the single girls(1960s), and then running away with her and his wife(1970s), a married "deacon" who was tapping every woman that he could get his dick into(1970s to 1980s). That's right, for 10 years he got by with it. Another married "deacon" in the same area, and his son, and many others, were poking a real good looking young married girl who had a sexual appetite. She even tried to seduce me. I was newly married at the time. I guess I was too stupid to realize it. I'm glad I didn't get in the middle of that. I'm sure I would have lost my wife, probably my life. :-) I have more stories, Jamesy, but I think you get the drift. It's not anything new that you're telling your acolytes, and we were the ones, supposedly, keeping all the old covenant laws, you know, the "only true church".
When is he going to get around to chastising the butt pirates and clam diggers? We all know that the ACOGs are equal opportunity sinner attractors.
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Thanks for telling me what I already know. Even James Malm gets some things right.
I remember one minister back in the World Wild Church mentioning a couple times that in one of the congregations he had helped to pastor he "had to counsel with about forty youths who were engaged in ongoing fornication." Maybe wrong prophetic guesses like 1975 in Prophecy! had something to do with it.
Girls who came into the church were often deceitful sluts, and girls who grew up in the church were often secret sluts too. Too many guys contributed to the problem. Maybe they wanted to be like Garner Ted Armstrong.
Of some interest is the fact that the WCG taught that baptized members were only to date and marry other baptized members. These were supposedly true Christians with the Holy Spirit, yet things often did not work out well. Now, David Pack has written in his book The Government of God, "Finally, remember that we now know that the great majority of brethren and ministers in the WCG were never converted." Oh, so we now know that, do we? That might have been nice to know decades ago.
The larger splinter groups today like the PCG and UCG are full of old perverts and predators. Not a good example for the youth. Not really safe for them either.
Both PCG and UCG ministers support perverts and their evil behavior. These two groups might seem like they are at opposite ends of the spectrum on the COG scene, but the same evil spirit is behind both of them.
We all had a good example set for us by Herbie and Ted, didn't we? Ted really showed us how it's done. Fornicate like a rabbit and still be the chosen one, apostle, prophet, and all that sort of thing.
ReplyDeleteIn biblical times it was no different, men had all sorts of sexual freedom, it was just the women who had to keep their noses, and other parts, clean, so to speak. The plural of spouse is spice, after all.
Just to cherry-pick one ripe example, you've got Lot in Sodom and Gonorrhea along with his wife and daughters. If these Angel fellows nearly got assraped, how well did Lot fare when he first showed up? I'm sure that was dreadful, but still, not bad enough to leave or anything. You've got to take into account the well-watered plain and all that, you know. But then all good things must come to an end. It was a tough decision to leave, not surprisingly. His wife couldn't keep eyes forward thinking about everything she was going to miss. Then there's the two daughters. It just took a little alcohol to lubricate everything. I am sure that living where they were, they were both chaste virgins, acting out of desperation. Actually, it's not entirely clear to me that the story wasn't tampered with. Which was it? Was Lot a lush who got bombed out of his mind every night, (no hangover???) or was the whole thing actually Daddy's idea? "Come on, console Daddy now that all of his lovers are gone. You can take turns." Either way I'm sure Daddy wasn't too surprised when they both gave birth on the same day. Still, later on he is referred to as "righteous." The moral of the story? Don't look back and it's no big deal. Just don't let the left hand wife know what the right hand wife is doing.
By my reckoning, the righteous have always worked hard and played hard. If it weren't for having to explain where Solomon came from, we probably wouldn't even know about Bathsheba.
Fornincators? Ha ha!
ReplyDeleteNow, David Pack has written in his book The Government of God, "Finally, remember that we now know that the great majority of brethren and ministers in the WCG were never converted."
ReplyDeleteWhy is it so hard for Dave to accept the truth of what happened? The majority of members and ministers were at one time converted, but they quenched the Spirit through their fornication and their worship of a pedophile apostle. As a result, huge numbers are headed for the Lake of Fire.
Armstrongism is a religion of blame-shifting, of denying personal responsibility for one's actions. Like it or not, true Christianity says that you are accountable. If you're a daughter-raper or a wife-beater or a drunkard or a whoremonger, and you do not sincerely repent, you are going to burn (I'll leave it to others to debate annihilation vs. eternal torment).
Only in Armstrongism is there the pervasive mentality that God will give you a "do-over" if you don't act now on what you know. How many of the rapists and liars and thieves in the ACOGs are privately holding on to the belief that "I'm not really converted, I know this, so I can act out however I want and wait for the White Throne Judgment to actually live up to all this talk of being repentant"?
From all I have seen, it is this Armstrongist doctrine that "most people aren't really converted or being called yet" that leads to many of the terrible abuses perpetrated by the ACOGs. Even Pack refuses to accept that WCG was full of bad people whose moral failings will have eternal consequences.
IMHO, FWIW, there's frankly no such thing as conversion, no such thing as the holy spirit, and no such thing as a relationship with a guy who died 2,000 years ago. A church is all just a bunch of people, all of whom are no different than anyone else, except for the fact their imagination is in overdrive.
ReplyDeleteIf conversion and the holy spirit were real, and they really helped people be different, then you would see a statistically significant difference between the rate of, let's just say fornication, between COG people and a random sample of non-COG people. If such research were done, I am convinced they would find no difference.
I gotta give them this though, it can be a nice fantasy, having a knight in shining armor always there to rescue you. Sometimes I wish it were true. But then I remember the flip side of the coin, which is the guy who set before humanity an impossible task so he can roast as many as possible.
Regardless, in my experience, there's no reality to any of it. I find it's best to face up to that. It took me a long time to come to grips with it, but once I did, there was absolutely no going back. I didn't have imaginary friends when I was a kid, how can I have an imaginary friend as an adult and have any respect for myself?
"If conversion and the holy spirit were real, and they really helped people be different, then you would see a statistically significant difference between the rate of, let's just say fornication, between COG people and a random sample of non-COG people. If such research were done, I am convinced they would find no difference."
ReplyDeleteEmotions and COG specific rancor aside, this is a very accurate assessment. It is the same in all churches and businesses. There does tend to be a statistically higher incidence of sex "sins" in the Pentecostal movement due to the emotional behaviors. The Baptist church experiences the most ministers being fired or moved due to personal behaviors.
It goes to the highest ranks of religion. I was once asked by a teen who was Mary's husband when Jesus was born. No one of course. He then asked , "Did God become Mary's husband?" No... "Then was God a fornicator?"
Nice question kid!
some here act as if WCG/COG has more of this or that because that is their experience. In fact, it is the same everywhere and WCG has no more of this or that than other groups or organizations. It's just how it works and how people are.
ReplyDeleteI agree, some who post here act as if it is a unique behavior in the COG's. People are people.
ReplyDeleteWell good for David Malm!
ReplyDeleteThe WCG was filled with fornication and adultery.
The Armstrongist spitoffs are filled with fornication and adultery.
The irony is that the "public face" of Armstrongism -- the so-called "preaching of the gospel -- makes a big deal about homosexuality, but never seems to get down to the matter of fornication. I suspect that they know the public would turn them off in a heartbeat from all their wonderful Telecasts if the Armstrongists preached that unmarried people of the opposite sex are not to have sexual relations outside of marriage. It is far too accepted in society at large. Besides, members have to deal with their own children have their children out of wedlock -- in some cases, the ministers have bastard grandchildren. Oh, well.
Now if "Apostle" Malm weren't such a nut and could get anything else right -- lose the kook ideas -- we might (some of us) listen to him.
Alas, he's become the crazy expert in useless drivel rubbish.
Don't make the mistake of using the WCG as any sort of statistical basis or control group when it comes to Christian behavior.
ReplyDeleteIt was a false church, and the ministers false teachers, even including those who correctly observe that the vast majority of ACOG members have been unconverted.
Why? They're all Judaizers, ruining the New Covenant by continuing to mix picked and chosen elements from the Old Covenant with it. Read Hebrews 7! The writer of Hebrews plainly states in so many words that the Levites were the priests administering the law of Moses, that Jesus was not of that order, that the law was changed and that Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchizedek. And, of course, the Judaizers do a "here's the new boss, same as the old boss" by stating that the problem with the Old Covenant was the people's hard hearts, and that now thru the Holy Spirit, God has written the law of Moses into converted peoples' hearts. Amazing!
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Hey, I just read on MSN that Horshak died. Wasn't he Joe Jr.'s brother in law or something?
ReplyDeleteA couple of clarifications:
ReplyDeleteA) I guess what I was trying to say was COG specific, but I also expect it to hold true for any religious group on earth.
B) If there were anything about any religious group that helped people be different in any way, either BETTER or WORSE, then you would definitely see that difference between a random sample drawn from that religious persuasion versus a randomly sampled control group of the population at large. I expect such research would show religion produces no systematic differences in behavior of any kind.
The reason why is that being raised in the COGs I truly believed that when I was baptized I would receive the holy spirit and this would empower me to be a better person. However, many years later I realized I had received nothing. The whole time, it was just me, the same ol' guy I'd always been, trying to be a good person all on my own. Not that there's anything wrong with trying to be a good person, I still believe in that for its own sake, but my belief in god and afterlife went up in smoke. (Now I feel there is something wrong with trying to be a good person for any other reason besides just for its own sake, but that's another story.)
So there's seven billion people on the planet, and our behavior as a species forms a bell curve. And that's it. In order for the behavior of a religious group to paint a different picture, they would have to evolve into a different species first.
I don't say I'm right, but this is what I expect.
"Hey, I just read on MSN that Horshak died. Wasn't he Joe Jr.'s brother in law or something?"
ReplyDeleteLMAO. And Mr. Kotter was probably a distant cousin...
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ReplyDelete"Hey, I just read on MSN that Horshak died. Wasn't he Joe Jr.'s brother in law or something?"
MY COMMENT: You're kidding, right? You're probably thinking about Horchak.
"I didn't have imaginary friends when I was a kid, how can I have an imaginary friend as an adult and have any respect for myself?"
ReplyDeleteVery well put. I hadn't thought of it quite that way, but it's certainly true. I don't recall having imaginary friends as a child either. I got mine at age 18 and didn't start to lose him until about age 40. He got completely gone in only the last few years.
apparently the premise is that that human body is shameful and should be completely covered at all times.......I don't buy that.
ReplyDeleteGod, after the creation of man, said everything was "very good", and they weren't wearing clothes at the time.
You don't know that, Anon. They might have been created wearing a shirt & tie and a knee length skirt with a long-sleeve, high-button blouse -- so they could go to church first thing and be appropriately dressed. Eve probably had on flat heel shoes, too.
ReplyDeleteHere's a video Malm can use to show what happens to COG fornicators.
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LOL AD...that's what some would have us to believe!
ReplyDeleteI missed the part where Men's Warehouse opened it's first store in the Garden....lol
(seems like there is a warning against calling good evil, and evil good.)
Hey, I just thought of a unique T-shirt for Apostle Malm. International sign, red circle with forward slash through it superimposed over the characters:
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Haha BB. My new vanity plate is gonna be: 4NIK8R
ReplyDeleteI never considered this before, but it sounds like the first Sabbath was observed au natural, and it certainly wasn't sinful.
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