Dennis On: Dave Pack: "...I have the authority to tell you to do it..."

"...I have the authority to tell you to do it... I have the moral and spiritual, and ecclesiastical authority to tell you to do what I have also done"

 David C Pack

The Clarion Call

Actually, no...David C. Pack  has no authority , moral, spiritual or ecclesiastical over anyone.  Any authority he claims to have is self appointed authority.  Recall how David became an Apostle.  He declared himself one based on his ideas of all that he believes went before him and pointed to this obvious conclusion.  Obvious to him maybe but not so obvious to the rest of mankind.

He's doing it again with the lie that somehow a minor prophet in Israel, 2500 years ago actually had David in mind as the fulfillment of the mere type Joshua the High Priest was in Haggai's day.  Well, perhaps Haggai was not in on the ultimate truth and it is God who knew David C. Pack was the chosen one millennia into the future.  Of course, God isn't talking so one is stuck with David C Pack's explanation of this truth.  The problem is that it is not true in the least.  It is made up truth. It is a theological fairy tale.  It is an analogy gone berserk and man spiraling out of moral, spiritual and ecclesiastical control.

I personally feel that David C Pack's The Clarion Call, will prove to be one of the greatest public speaking mistakes an authoritarian minister such as Dave could have made.  Few comment on its aggressive and threatening tone.  Perhaps only the theologically brain dead have no reaction other than obeying it, but I can't imagine most aren't appalled by the sheer arrogance and aggressive bullying it contains.

Again, some of David C Pack's more notable and outright lies about what you must do or how you can go about it to "pull big triggers" and deplete your own resources and increase his.  I suppose if you do so you can claim to be a type of John the Baptist in that  "I must decrease while you must increase."  

Lie #1 

"Husbands...'well, my wife is not in the church'...tell her...'you don't have a voice woman' ""Go get those assets and get them here"

 If you can't perceive this is a lie, no one can help you.  Even I recall there is neither male nor female, bond or free that does not have equality in the genuine teachings of Jesus. Galatians 3:28.   Women have plenty of voice in the real world and are every bit the equal of men. To believe otherwise is fundamentalist blather.

Lie #2

"We are not a splinter"

Of course you are.  Splinter may be too generous but you have splintered off of three religious organizations before coming to rest in your own.  The reason you are the head of your own religious organization is that you have never been able to successfully work WITH anyone without taking over.  It's just the kind of person you are.  In the business world it's called not being a team player. It's also called going rogue because you so badly want to be what you want to be when others question it.

Lie #3

"I'll say it again, we are talking about liquidating existing assets...it all belongs to God and the brethren"

Actually, no.  One's resources belong to THEM.  No real God actually needs your money and it certainly does not belong to the brethren nor do their resources belong to you.  I bet anything that if I asked for Dave's Cup of Elijah to put on my desk for a bit he'd say no. Can I borrow your car?  No!  Can I live in your house rent free?  No!  God owns the cattle on a thousand hills.  If God needs actual money, He can sell some of those without any pain or sacrifice on the part of the brethren.  You may give as you are able to whomever you wish for whatever reasons, but it is yours to give and not theirs to take. It's "Give as you are able," not "Give as you are told."

Lie # 4

"If you are not ready to distribute what you have...you don't believe the flow of prophecy"

Wrong...First of all don't tell people what they believe or don't believe and secondly disconnect that belief or disbelief from proving it by sending money to the Apostle. That is manipulation at its worse.  Frankly, whatever flow of prophecy the Apostle Josh believes he understands is questionable at best.  It's a line that has been used on humans for at least the past 2000 years.  

Lie # 5

"This is announcing the last blast, the clarion call as it were, to finish the work...Whether it is 4,5,7, 9 years to go, God knows"

Of course it is not the last anything and this was spoken five years ago.  There will be many more last blasts because last blasts motivate.  Last blasts are like soons, shortlys and August 30, 2013s. 

Lie # 6

"Get it now when it requires faith... when you are dead you don't need it... if you named us in your wills, it can take us months or years to get it"
"The wives in the faith will say give everything you can...We don't have the luxury of waiting years...today, leaving everything in your will simply doesn't work"

 

What do you mean "we"?   You maybe. However,  this has a smattering of truth in it but the one glaring problem is that one is not yet dead and therefore does need their resources to live. I don't need resources when I am dead.  I do, however need food and shelter while alive.   Now this may be a call to die so Josh can live but that's not a good enough reason to send in your estate proceeds before you actually die.  This is a pretty lame statement actually and one could just as easily ask The Apostle Josh to sell his campus now so when he dies the brethren aren't stuck with having it hauled away in trucks or turned into Condos for retiring ministers in LCG, UCG or PCG.

Lie # 7

"Now you just have a second mortgage... and frankly we flee before most of it ever becomes due"

Oh now...this is a doozy.  Even sounds like deliberate fraud to me but what do I know.  Someone needs to tell Dave's creditors, well if it is not just you, of his real loan repayment plan.

And fix what you can...before you sell out

Lie # 8

"There is only two positions you can take regarding all that I have mentioned, only two, there is no middle ground. You're either going to yield, to submit and to follow, the clarion call that the time is now or you're not."

Actually no, while I might not choose to yield, to submit and to follow as you demand, I can do or not do it a hundred different ways. There is always middle ground. That' why we read dumb stuff in the Bible like.... 

“Come now, let us reason

 together, says the Lord:though your sins are like scarlet,
    they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red like crimson,
    they shall become like wool."

Now if the Lord , of the Old Testament, can ask for us to reason together, I'm sure you could be more polite and less into the only course being that  yield , submit and follow bullshit you come up with as one of only two alternatives. 

 The point is that I can make my own "give as I am able" choices.  It's actually in the Bible.  Well, it's in the New Testament so if the Apostle Josh needs help finding it, easily done. 

Lie #9

"And this is the real test of Laodicea... either hold on to your assets... or give it... God is in this decision, no question."

Yes question and don't yell at us.  The admonition in Revelation to the Laodiceans had nothing to do with sending all their money somewhere else to someone else to prove anything. .  It's a statement of spiritual commitment and hanging in there unrelated to building an empire for the Apostle.  

Lie # 10

"This is the Laodicean age...Be careful that you don't tell us how to spend your assets... It belongs to God.. You don't tell God or His servants how to spend it"

 

No, you need to be careful how you ask for my assets.  If it truly belongs to God, you aren't him. So how about I throw my assets up in the air and what goes up God can take and what comes down he doesn't need and is mine?  You already  used some of my resources to buy that damn Cup of Elijah for $25,000 for you.  Why on earth would not think I might not wish to tell "God's servants" what I thought about that?  Do you ever say thank you?

Lie #11

"There is only one place He works...Where the...work is...that's where God is working...one elder commented here at headquarters, if people can't be motivated by a clarion call to finish the work such as this, why will those same people somehow believe the internal signal given to the church of the 1335? Why would they believe it?"

               

Oh you are so full of prunes.  You are the only place you think your God is working.  And besides, how does this God communicate these facts and realities to you?  Feelings?  Emotions?  Egocentric thinking?  Voices in your head?  Visions and hallucinations?  Mental illness?   Hunches?  Personal goals?  None of these are actually good enough reasons to think you are correct on this point. I don't know where all God is working or even at times what he/she is thinking or up to, but you only?   I don't think so.  And this "Internal Sign" thing is a bit disturbing.

Lie # 12

"...Go get a big chunk out of your house...their assets, IRAs, and pension funds...(e). Ask God to move specific properties...that they have told us they want to sell. Pray that these properties move...that is part of what this fast is about"

Noooooo, this fast is about compliance and doing what you are told.  This fast was about giving members time to wallow in fear, guilt and shame for being less than the kind of Christian the Apostle Josh demands, for his sake, not God's, they be.  Josh wanted you to get close to his concept of god, not any real God.  It is designed for you to participate in group think and pressure.  Did anyone finish this fast and say, "God told me not to sell my house, give my retirement or pull any big triggers at this time."?   Probably not.  Did everyone sent it in?  Probably not.  

The Apostle Joshua C. Pack and all other human beings , be they preachers, ministers, apostles, prophets or lunatics do not have the authority to tell you anything or command you do anything.  They can of course put you out of their organization for not doing so, but in the real world that would be called a blessing.  Reclaim you own power when it comes to these ridiculous declarations of how an Almighty God thinks, what He needs, who HE likes and doesn't and what on His or Her green Earth He/She is doing.    The only person you will ever hear "Depart from me, I never knew you," will be the Apostle Josh should you ever ask for your monies back to live your actual life and not the fake one Josh has planned for you if you do as you are told and believe with all your heart that he actually has moral, spiritual and ecclesiastical authority over you.  He does not. No one does unless by your permission.

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