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Apostle Pack Renames RCG the C'n S Church of God

(Carrot and Stick Church of God)

 

 

 

 

"If you begin with the fifth announcement, then read those before and after it. They are all important. An enormous and detailed prophecy is now being carried out by God. He is preparing events to soon bring His people back together—all of them."

 

 

"If you read last week’s announcement you know we hold no doubt that God’s prophecy in Haggai and Zechariah is still very much “on.” This announcement explains additional expansive elements of the Haggai/Zechariah prophecy that none of us had yet understood. In fact, what you will read this week and next time may help you understand why more time was needed for us to prepare for God’s fulfillment of the prophecy. This included understanding more of what was going to happen. As mentioned in previous announcements, this one will open your eyes to things God has long intended to do with His end-time Church and Work."

 

"Ponder these things. Consider reading the entire book of Exodus for many other details. These will open your eyes to what God plans. I have picked the barest high points in the 40 chapters of Exodus to try to open your thinking to what God is promising His returning remnant in Haggai 2:5—what He is promising those who obey His literal VOICE of instruction and return to His Church to do His Work. Consider also reading the books of Numbers and Deuteronomy.
Do not miss what I now anticipate will be my final announcement! It explains four final elements of the prophecy that have become more clear, including hints that God left about why His plan to fulfill it was not connected to the fall Feast season."

 



 

 "They will open your eyes to things God has long intended to do with His end-time Church and Work that no one ever understood before, and you will see that His Word is PLAIN! These announcements will bring clarity to questions about “dates,” and how brethren should now view the “when” of the Haggai/Zechariah prophecy’s fulfillment."

 

 

"Before covering vital points and scriptures that all should now keep in mind, it is of course obvious there was an error in the prophecy’s timing. There may be other details that are wrong. I always knew this and said it to the Church more than once. In fact, we are still learning additional elements of it. Mr. Armstrong puzzled and puzzled and puzzled over certain much less complicated prophecies. He often said that things he learned came over time—not all right away, or even close in some cases. There are points we learned “late” in what is an enormously complex prophecy. We knew from early on in our pursuit of the truth that this prophecy did not carry with it the kind of time that Mr. Armstrong always had to properly sort through prophecies—ones that, however great in magnitude as we know some are, were simpler to understand. "

 

 

 

"I will explain a week after the Feast EXACTLY what was misunderstood about the prophecy’s timing. It appears we will not be waiting a long time—not another year—for its fulfillment. (Earlier announcements have been corrected.) Next Friday, I will post another one detailing three crucial elements that were previously unexplained, with three more to be explained after the Feast."

 

 

"Make no mistake. THE PROPHECY STANDS. Because it was never my prophecy, but rather God’s, it WILL come to pass. The whether and what of the prophecy have not changed, only the WHEN. "

 

 

 

"Think of the original apostles. They watched and waited year after year after year for Christ’s Return, absolutely believing this would happen in their lifetimes (I Cor. 15:51; I Thes. 4:15). Yet they were off by almost 2,000 years—a full THIRD of the entire length of God’s Plan! However rare, some few may think about this. Here’s what virtually no one reflects on. There was much more that they were waiting on and believed they would live to see—all of the OTHER events preceding Christ’s Return: the falling away, the Four Horsemen of Revelation, the arrival of the Beast, the False Prophet, the abomination of desolation, Jerusalem surrounded by armies, being taken to safety, as well as the Tribulation, Heavenly Signs and Day of the Lord. For decades, the apostles’ senses told them that all of these things lay just over the horizon—that they would live to see ALL of them fulfilled. Think. ALL of the apostles—every one of them!—got ALL MATTERS wrong in regard to timing—EVERYTHING!—and for almost an entire LIFETIME—again, including being off by 2,000 YEARS. Two were Christ’s own brothers, James and Jude. Two more, Peter and Paul, were leading apostles. It is no wonder that Mr. Armstrong himself was wrong for a time regarding Christ’s Return—and thus also was necessarily incorrect about the timing of everything prophetic that preceded it. But only his enemies crucified him. Mr. Armstrong lived to see virtually none—NONE!—of the things that he expected to see. I wonder how many brethren—first century or twentieth century—gave up on big prophecies because the apostles—first century or twentieth century—had their timing wrong. These men did not have the prophecies themselves wrong, but merely only the TIMING. Get the difference. ""

 

 

"I join the apostles who misunderstood certain prophetic time lines. (But so have all of you old-timers in the Church done the same.)"

 

So there....

 

 

 

"The only real alternative you have is to follow Christ’s Spirit back to His Church.

Think hard about what you will do...

Do not stake your salvation on the timing of the Haggai/Zechariah prophecy. I repeat a final time. The prophecy is TRUE. Just next week’s announcement will inspire you beyond belief—it is way beyond what you could imagine! Don’t miss it! "

 

"None of this new understanding speaks to when the prophecy will be fulfilled. I will certainly never repeat such a mistake. Those who believe the prophecy and are waiting on God will understand how important these elements are once it is fulfilled. Remember, you can wait in God’s Church for this fulfillment—or outside. It has been inspiring to see how many have come with us beginning in the summer and continuing to present. They know the prophecy is correct and the other two prophecies that quickly FOLLOW are drawing closer daily."

 

The expiration dates for Dave Pack and his Restored Church of God is coming due.  The false concept of "soon", "shortly", "It's the timing stupid.", "I am not mistaken about anything.", and "You can wait for me to be correct in the true church or out in the devil's playground," is wearing thin. 

 

In the New Testament, when it was OBVIOUS that all the soon and shortly of the Jesus return for the first century church was not going to happen, someone, not the original Peter, forged an excuse in 2  Peter chiding the people for not knowing that time is different with God.  It's ALWAYS the TIMING.  (If you don't think there are reasons to doubt the authorship of some NT books or that books credited to the Apostles were not actually written by the Apostles, I suggest a slow read of Bart Ehrman's Forged-Writing in the Name of God-Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are.  ) A day is a thousand years and a thousand years as a day.  The anonymous author of 2 Peter had to keep the church going and shift the emphasis from everything happening as promised by Paul to a longer view.  Church members were dying and questions came up about just when this great "we shall be changed" was going to happen, IF it was going to happen.   If the focus could not be shifted yet again to the future but in different ways, the church was toast. 

 

Basing a church on the fulfillment of imminent prophetic events, NONE of which were ever meant for us toay or had us in mind 2000 years later  culled from observing the times one personally finds themselves living in is a HUGE mistake.  That is one of the big lessons of the New Testament and why the vast majority of Churches do not go there and emphasise the positive "sort of people we should be" as portrayed in the Gospels and by the Gospel Jesus instead.  It's why they emphasize Jesus and not CHRIST THE SOON COMING MESSIAH.   Most established churches have learned that Revelation Jesus is risky business.  The Seventh Day Adventists however still use this prophetic shtick as the main draw.  Dave Pack uses it as well as his main draw.  It will bite him in the ass as time goes on.  Horrific things may very well be in store for us all with the possible collapse of the dollar, total meltdown at Fukishima or who know what else, but it does not mean any rescue from heaven MUST take place for ME/US/THEM.  It is just life.

 

 

Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry and Ron Weinland will all go the same way as their hero, Herbert W. Armstrong.  They have and are repeating the same mistakes.  They have and are making the same excuses and motivating the faithful to live their lives by reading the news as if it were the Bible.  Bob Thiel scans the Internet for God's prophetic truths coming alive.  So far, at least for now, he is not waiting as Dave Pack is for the literal voice of God in his head to show up.

 

 

"Just around the corner" is a life denying lie and denies the present which will become the past and in the future will make many wish they had never heard of David C Pack or those who spoke as if they really knew...

 

 “Muddy water is best cleared by leaving it alone.”
― Alan Wilson Watts

 

In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe, becomes a person who has no faith at all.
Alan Watts

 

 "You take your classified telephone directory, and open up "Churches", and have a ruler in your hand. And you will find that the longest space is occupied by authoritarian, Bible-banging churches. And these people are barbarians, who take the written word of the Bible literally. Because they need terribly, they have a personal need, for something to depend on."
Alan Watts

...seems true.